| SunlethWaterscape August 24 2012 06:54. Posts 17 | Profile # |
Hi Team Liquid community, here is another 1v1 melee map. I wanted to make a caribbean themed map, especially because I like Atlantis resort.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/FoF4O.jpg)
Larger Map Overview:
http://i.imgur.com/Cdm21.jpg
For the gameplay, I wanted to make the natural secure with destructible barricades. However, there are two entrances to the main. There is also an option for taking two types of third expansions. One is to leave your natural secure and take the third next to the main where it is more open to assault. The other option is to break one of the destructible debris at the natural and take the third expansion across the tri-direction ramps.
Bases:
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Atmosphere:
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Map Overview without Doodads. I couldn't get rid of the base textures.
http://i.imgur.com/7B3ZG.jpgLast edit: 2012-08-24 08:21:51 |
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| FlaShFTW United States. August 24 2012 07:09. Posts 5001 | Profile Blog # |
| wait wut. the natural is walled off by rocks? how the hell do you scout? |
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| Qikz United Kingdom. August 24 2012 07:53. Posts 6963 | Profile # |
On August 24 2012 07:09 FlaShFTW wrote:
wait wut. the natural is walled off by rocks? how the hell do you scout?
I think there's two ramps in the main (looks like it anyways) so it's more of an inbase natural. |
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| Timetwister22 United States. August 24 2012 07:57. Posts 334 | Profile # |
| Where the aesthetics are neat, they make this map incredibly hard to read as to what's going on with the layout. I know the analyzer is broke, but maybe you could supply us with a picture of just the layout without textures and doodads? Would certainly make it easier to give useful feedback. Last edit: 2012-08-24 07:57:49 |
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| Coppermantis United States. August 24 2012 08:05. Posts 379 | Profile # |
Agreed, it's a gorgeous map but hard to tell what's going on from a top down perspective.
Qikz is correct about the inbase natural though, unless I'm seeing it wrong there are two main ramps. We're seeing a lit more of that kind of natural lately, I should try a map with that layout sometime.  |
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| Insomni7 August 24 2012 08:12. Posts 615 | Profile # |
| Looks like a very interesting map, but remember to make sure you cant warp in to the natural past the rocks, especially since the ramp from nat to main is wider than the standard. Otherwise looks quite nice. |
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| SunlethWaterscape August 24 2012 13:57. Posts 17 | Profile # |
| Hello, I added an image of the map without doodads. Hope that helps. Also, yes, there are two ramps to the main base, one normal size ramp and one is a double size ramp that leads to the safe natural. I can also delete one of the barricades on the ramp closest to the possible third base across it too. |
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| EatThePath United States. August 24 2012 14:35. Posts 2559 | Profile Blog # |
Beautiful map, and nice name. No one has quite hit this sort of vibe yet. Uniquely awesome. ^^
Two things to make it work as more than an aesthetics showpiece:
Redesign the natural so that you can stay safe when you break some rocks to get your 3rd. There are too many things going on right now with extra entrances to your main and natural. Maybe if the initial opening wasn't so forefront, this would work out better.
The base hugging the main should be more isolated so it can operate as a lategame base if players expand clockwise. Basically, prevent warp-ins directly from the main onto it, and put it out of siege tank range from the main base. If you really don't want to provide for this, it should be made even more defensible for the player starting next to it --- tuck it back even farther against the main.
edit: Very important, as someone already mentioned: it's broken for PvP because you can warp in over the rocks and walk a 4gate into the main base on the big ramp. You can easily fix this with LosB.Last edit: 2012-08-24 14:36:49 |
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| -NegativeZero- United States. August 24 2012 14:50. Posts 599 | Profile # |
| The rush distance looks a little short. It might be better to remove the current main ramps, reduce the backdoor nat ramps to 1 width to become the main ramps, and remove the front set of rocks to create a standard natural choke. |
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| Callynn Netherlands. August 24 2012 14:51. Posts 881 | Profile # |
My first impression was "wow, that's a pretty sand map".
Then I was looking for the way you layed out your natural and third - and they are very strange. Deviating from the norm is fine, but you have to consider the consequences. As a Zerg player, I will destroy litterally every non-zerg on this map, particularly protoss by breaking down that backdoor into the natural and into the main (with that large ramp).
I'm going to go with EathThe Path on this one, and say that this enormous backdoor situation needs to be adressed as well as the line of sight blockers that need to be added for PvP. The natural should only have a single backdoor, not multiple ones as well and you should keep that 'flow' into the third as it is now.
I think you should definitly polish this map, because it looks awesome.
One question, is it published on EU and if not, can you publish it on EU? |
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| Ketch Netherlands. August 24 2012 15:47. Posts 3254 | Profile # |
Wow, I really like this map and love the main/nat. I concur with already given comments. So remove one backdoor rock. I would also tighten the map up a little bit, moving the third a little bit closer to the nat and the fourth a bit in and a bit to the fourth as well, removing some of the airspace in the overview.
I like the large corner between third and fourth, as it still keeps the base flow nice, but gives the fourth a isolated position somehow, which opens it for harass better imho.Last edit: 2012-08-24 15:48:29 |
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| Callynn Netherlands. August 24 2012 18:30. Posts 881 | Profile # |
On August 24 2012 15:47 Ketch wrote:
I would also tighten the map up a little bit, moving the third a little bit closer to the nat and the fourth a bit in and a bit to the fourth as well, removing some of the airspace in the overview.
This gets me to thinking there is probably room for two island expansions on this map, that way you can also legitimize the pretty surrounding airspace. |
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| OxyGenesis United Kingdom. August 25 2012 00:15. Posts 279 | Profile # |
| So many rocks, Browder would be proud. I would suggest removing at least 2 of the 4 rocks on each side. Also with the way the map is, there is a hell of a lot of unused space around the edges. This is more of a fundamental problem as the map is diamond shaped but you really want it to be square. To help with this you can try to move the main down and the 4th up but it'll be tricky. The main/nat/3rd layout could be really cool but needs some simplification as it is. Good luck! |
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| Chargelot August 25 2012 00:52. Posts 2274 | Profile Blog # | |
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| HypertonicHydroponic August 25 2012 01:32. Posts 410 | Profile Blog # |
Unfortunately, I do not believe there is a new version of the analyzer that is capable of reading post-patch 1.5.0 map file formats. The last version of the analyzer I had working was 1.4.7 and it did not work on my latest map. |
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