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| Al Bundy August 26 2012 03:44. Posts 7173 | Profile # |
On August 25 2012 21:27 Skwid1g wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 16:58 Al Bundy wrote:
Sad to say, but we are forced to say goodbye to Artem. There are many reasons for this, but main - the player wants to receive more [money], without working with the community. We were ready to make better terms, only if he would regularly stream and promote partners [sponsors]; but for Artem (and a whole category of players) want to just play and receive a growing salary, and travel to all foreign tournaments. Sadly, for the team and it's partners there is no financial gain in this.
Working with the community = streaming on twitch.tv? This is getting a bit ridiculous, so I'll give my opinion: Fuck streaming. Progamers streaming some pointless ladder games seem like a total waste of time to me. That time would definitely be better spent doing actual training, you know, the stuff that koreans do in order to own everyone else (and proceed to acquire the currency that Roxkis seems to crave)
Except those Koreans stream their ladder games pretty often, MC/Nestea/MVP/MKP/DRG/etc. have all streamed, MKP used to do it pretty regularly. And RoxKis spends money to fly him everywhere, spends money to promote him, etc. If he can't make that a mutually beneficial deal it's not worth it for them to keep him. It didn't come across as unprofessional, they just stated why they couldn't come to an agreement; they have other players to care for and slivko couldn't make himself worth the extra money to roxkis. The whole "Yeah, we're still best friends. I hope everyone does well xD." statements are both boring and untrue, I don't understand how lying about the situation is any more professional than being honest. They didn't slander his name at all, nor did it make them look any worse.
Are MC/Nestea/MVP/MKP/DRG/MKP still streaming? I never seem to find their stream on the TL sidebar. |
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| Swords August 26 2012 05:44. Posts 1298 | Profile Blog # |
On August 25 2012 22:52 cutler wrote:
so a Player doesnt like the community and wants more money...thats okay...but i will not root for him.
I enjoy players who like to interact with the community.
From what I've seen of his stream Slivko seems to interact with his viewers a lot. It's all in Russian, but when I watch, over half the time he seems to be giving commentary on what he's doing in game, which is pretty cool (even cooler if you know Russian). It sounds like the dispute was less about interacting with the community and more about getting a fatter contract, which is a pretty typical dispute in the gaming community.
GL to Slivko. |
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| Wounded31 August 26 2012 09:47. Posts 124 | Profile # | |
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| vitruvia Canada. August 26 2012 12:46. Posts 173 | Profile # | |
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| Catatonic United States. August 26 2012 23:34. Posts 690 | Profile # |
| So he left for a worse team then what he was on? Makes tons of sense haha. He wanted more money but didn't wanna do more work so I would drop him as well such a greedy guy haha. |
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| EmilA Denmark. August 27 2012 00:13. Posts 2739 | Profile # |
On August 26 2012 03:44 Al Bundy wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 21:27 Skwid1g wrote:
On August 25 2012 16:58 Al Bundy wrote:
Sad to say, but we are forced to say goodbye to Artem. There are many reasons for this, but main - the player wants to receive more [money], without working with the community. We were ready to make better terms, only if he would regularly stream and promote partners [sponsors]; but for Artem (and a whole category of players) want to just play and receive a growing salary, and travel to all foreign tournaments. Sadly, for the team and it's partners there is no financial gain in this.
Working with the community = streaming on twitch.tv? This is getting a bit ridiculous, so I'll give my opinion: Fuck streaming. Progamers streaming some pointless ladder games seem like a total waste of time to me. That time would definitely be better spent doing actual training, you know, the stuff that koreans do in order to own everyone else (and proceed to acquire the currency that Roxkis seems to crave)
Except those Koreans stream their ladder games pretty often, MC/Nestea/MVP/MKP/DRG/etc. have all streamed, MKP used to do it pretty regularly. And RoxKis spends money to fly him everywhere, spends money to promote him, etc. If he can't make that a mutually beneficial deal it's not worth it for them to keep him. It didn't come across as unprofessional, they just stated why they couldn't come to an agreement; they have other players to care for and slivko couldn't make himself worth the extra money to roxkis. The whole "Yeah, we're still best friends. I hope everyone does well xD." statements are both boring and untrue, I don't understand how lying about the situation is any more professional than being honest. They didn't slander his name at all, nor did it make them look any worse.
Are MC/Nestea/MVP/MKP/DRG/MKP still streaming? I never seem to find their stream on the TL sidebar.
Except for MVP i've seen all those recently. You listed MKP twice, but he is indeed awesome.
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| Dingodile August 27 2012 03:26. Posts 432 | Profile # |
On August 26 2012 23:34 Catatonic wrote:
So he left for a worse team then what he was on? Makes tons of sense haha. He wanted more money but didn't wanna do more work so I would drop him as well such a greedy guy haha.
He only want to play, he doesnt want to promote his supporters. Just only play, nothing others.
Do you would drop him if [player] continues his "work" 40h/week (like always) instead of 55h/week like you want in his new contract? Thats really silly. |
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| GhandiEAGLE United States. August 27 2012 03:31. Posts 4016 | Profile Blog # |
| suprised Treehugger hasn't already picked him up. lol get on it Liquid |
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| Bromo United States. August 27 2012 04:22. Posts 7 | Profile # |
| Make more money streaming? Wtf dawg i only like recieving money when they make it rain in that music video, nahh dawg just give me more money im playing video games its hard on the wrists, travel around the world playen video games ohh god the difficulty and hard work SEND THAT MAN MORE MONEY NOW! |
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| Dexington Canada. August 27 2012 05:09. Posts 5875 | Profile Blog # |
On August 27 2012 04:22 Bromo wrote:
Make more money streaming? Wtf dawg i only like recieving money when they make it rain in that music video, nahh dawg just give me more money im playing video games its hard on the wrists, travel around the world playen video games ohh god the difficulty and hard work SEND THAT MAN MORE MONEY NOW!
I don't understand. |
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 CaptainCrush United States. August 27 2012 08:06. Posts 784 | Profile Blog # |
On August 25 2012 16:40 CryMeAReaper wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 07:51 CaptainCrush wrote:
On August 25 2012 03:58 ShakAttaK wrote:
Kinda seems like a dick move on his part, refusing to work with the team that actually supported his career .
Was def a dick move, especially for a patch zerg. He better find a team quick before the next patch!
Yea he's such a patchzerg. I mean look how bad he was pre-patch, only getting top 8 IEM barely losing to SuperNova! Horrendous!
OMG, he nearly BEAT a jet-lagged korean one time in Brazil!!! Hire him and give him shit-loads of money!!!! |
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| GoonFFS Denmark. August 27 2012 14:35. Posts 269 | Profile # |
it's not that slivko is BAD, it's just that he's not a star. I think it's fine to think you deserve more than what you get, but cmon, it's an outrage from both sides.. 1, to act like you're some kind of superstar but also 2, the team should not have posted bitter things as their public statement..
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| markrevival United States. August 27 2012 14:58. Posts 201 | Profile # |
I agree that you need to earn your place before you go demanding things. But it's also fair to say that slivko is his own person and seeking something better for himself is totally fine. I would feel a little betrayed if I was RoxKis but not so much and I would have to understand.
That being said, there are far more established players and players with higher potential that don't go around asking for more without showing results, long-term, first |
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| Laneir United States. August 27 2012 21:36. Posts 1099 | Profile # | |
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| AlternativeEgo Sweden. August 28 2012 00:16. Posts 7825 | Profile # |
On August 25 2012 16:13 Druff wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 08:08 xPliCt wrote:
Some korean team should pick him up to solve this whole KESPA issue...
Now that's just dumb. It makes no sense whatsoever.
He took on late night Sao Paulo without hesitation. KESPA would stand no chance.
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| xO.Thunder United States. August 28 2012 21:13. Posts 36 | Profile # |
Best of luck to both parties.
Reguarding the income thing, he wants to make a profession out of starcraft, so naturally he'd ask for pay.
The streaming demand is a bit blurry to me, I'm not sure if they wanted him to stream more and interact during it, or they just wanted him to stream period. If it's the latter, I'm not sure I agree with his decision.
Interacting with viewers really takes a toll on your play, many streamers use smurf accounts while doing so, for that sole reason. imo smurfing doesn't give very good practice. |
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| SolarJto United States. August 30 2012 11:07. Posts 219 | Profile Blog # | |
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