juicyjames  United States. September 01 2012 01:04. Posts 1013 | Profile # |
http://us.battle.net//sc2/en/blog/7121643
On Aug 31, 2012 9:00 AM PDT David Kim wrote:A few weeks ago, we asked you to join us in testing a few proposed balance tweaks for StarCraft II. At the time, we felt like terran performance versus zerg (at the pro level) needed some attention. You responded with a lot of testing and good feedback. Since we began this testing, we’ve also been paying very close attention to the major tournaments around the world, and we’ve noticed that terran performance in the TvZ matchup has improved. In analyzing tournaments such as Global StarCraft II Team League, Intel Extreme Masters, and Major League Gaming, we’re no longer seeing the same balance shifts that caused us to propose changes in the first place. The most interesting tournament in this context was the IEM at gamescom 2012 in Cologne, Germany, where we saw players such as Kas and MVP make use of Ravens in ways that held a lot of potential. We feel that at this time, we should give players more opportunities to fully explore the slowly-shifting meta-game before we change the balance of the game. We’re seeing a lot more players starting to explore Ravens, and we’d like to see exactly how that goes before making any decisions on balance. The TvZ win ratio has somewhat shifted toward terran, calling a nerf to creep tumor into question. This is the first time that we’ve planned for an adjustment, and then observed a change in the meta-game that could impact our decision. That doesn’t lead us to the conclusion that there is nothing that needs to be adjusted, but rather, it’s a chance for us to carefully consider other things. When we see that balance is changing on its own, we prefer to continue monitoring the situation and see where the performance of the different matchups settles before we step in.Overall, the balance we’re seeing at the tournament level looks pretty good right now, and we will continue to watch the meta-game closely, and read your suggestions.
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| KrazyTrumpet United States. September 01 2012 01:06. Posts 885 | Profile # |
| I mean, I guess it's kind of true. Terran players are starting to figure things out again. But the ridiculous ease with which creep is able o be spread and Ravens being sub par, no matter how hard you try to argue against it, needs to be addressed still, IMO Last edit: 2012-09-01 01:10:14 |
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| winthrop Hong Kong. September 01 2012 01:07. Posts 793 | Profile Blog # |
lol. why dont give zerg players time to show full potential.
also did you notice the wcs race distribution?Last edit: 2012-09-01 01:08:31 |
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| ELA Denmark. September 01 2012 01:07. Posts 4567 | Profile # |
| Well, TaeJa and MVP sure did screw that up for the rest of us :D |
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| strength United States. September 01 2012 01:07. Posts 478 | Profile Blog # |
Atleast they have statistics that show its balancing out.
**** ROFL waiting for terrans to cry. Avilo may commit suicide.Last edit: 2012-09-01 01:15:37 |
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| sevia United States. September 01 2012 01:08. Posts 874 | Profile # | |
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| Shinespark Chile. September 01 2012 01:09. Posts 556 | Profile # |
| Great. Thanks a lot, Mvp, for using a strategy that I'll never have the apm to perform. |
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| winthrop Hong Kong. September 01 2012 01:12. Posts 793 | Profile Blog # |
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| c0ldfusion United States. September 01 2012 01:13. Posts 2292 | Profile # |
On September 01 2012 01:07 winthrop wrote:
lol. why dont give zerg players time to show full potential.
also did you notice the wcs race distribution?
You mean WCS Korea? That's mostly P though, unrelated to ZvT balance. |
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| DT.Damage Germany. September 01 2012 01:13. Posts 81 | Profile # |
| rofl.....thanks taeja thx mvp for being the best players...youre the reasons we get nerfed! |
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| Plansix United States. September 01 2012 01:14. Posts 5348 | Profile Blog # |
On September 01 2012 01:09 Shinespark wrote:
Great. Thanks a lot, Mvp, for using a strategy that I'll never have the apm to perform.
I will never have the APM to control blink stalkers like Hero or MC, but I keep running into that brick wall in PvP. Don't worry, I have faith in you and that your ability to get enough APM to beat your opponents. Last edit: 2012-09-01 01:24:04 |
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| Kyrao United States. September 01 2012 01:14. Posts 127 | Profile # |
| So now we just need to wait another 3 months for Zerg players to learn how to spread units to avoid aoe damage... awesome. |
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| TheDwf September 01 2012 01:14. Posts 3599 | Profile # |
| So this is how Blizzard decides to balance or not the game? By watching Mvp crushing inferior Zergs then concluding TvZ is OK? How amateurish. |
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| Swords September 01 2012 01:14. Posts 1298 | Profile Blog # |
Here's the problem with this. When DKim made the Queen range/overlord speed patch TvZ was at the most balanced it had been in a long time. I believe the winrates were 51%/49% or something like that - in any case it was extremely close at the highest levels. Why on earth was that change made if the balance was looking great? Especially when it was an absolutely massive change, completely buffing both Zerg's scouting ability and defensive/macro unit (worth noting: I do think overlord speed was a fine buff, but both at once was absurd - especially when you talk about a "slowly developing game" as Kim does above).
I don't really have the authority to comment on if TvZ is balanced now, but one thing is for sure, as a spectator of TvZ matches in tournaments it has become a lot more boring to watch. The proposed Raven patch wasn't going to fix the 10 minute early game snore-fest TvZ has become, and all this latest situation report has convinced me of is Blizzard just makes up stuff as they go along - if statistics actually mattered to them they wouldn't have patched queens in the first place.
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| NOOBALOPSE Canada. September 01 2012 01:15. Posts 802 | Profile # |
On September 01 2012 01:09 Shinespark wrote:
Great. Thanks a lot, Mvp, for using a strategy that I'll never have the apm to perform.
It takes one action to use a seeker missile, and mech doesn't take APM fyi... Not sure if you remember the guy who literally chooses what to use every action on (GoOdy) |
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| Chaosvuistje Netherlands. September 01 2012 01:15. Posts 2546 | Profile # |
Terran is doing fine just look at Kas and Taeja
DKim: Hmmm, well if you look at it that way!
I feel for the terran players though. I mean protoss and zerg have both had major whining campaigns being succesful in either nerfs to terran or buffs to their respective races. |
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| c0ldfusion United States. September 01 2012 01:15. Posts 2292 | Profile # |
On September 01 2012 01:14 TheDwf wrote:
So this is how Blizzard decides to balance or not the game? By watching Mvp crushing inferior Zergs then concluding TvZ is OK? How amateurish.
Yup, this is exactly how Blizzard balances this game. They just look at tournament results see which race is winning and stop them from winning.
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| Plansix United States. September 01 2012 01:16. Posts 5348 | Profile Blog # |
On September 01 2012 01:13 c0ldfusion wrote:
Show nested quote +On September 01 2012 01:07 winthrop wrote:
lol. why dont give zerg players time to show full potential.
also did you notice the wcs race distribution?
You mean WCS Korea? That's mostly P though, unrelated to ZvT balance.
He means in NA and EU(though EU had some pretty good terrans in the upper brackets). But those events have a lot of lead in and many of the best terrans were knocked out over a month ago, when terrans were really getting worked over. We will have to watch the next GSL and NASL so really see how it pans out. |
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| Erik.TheRed United States. September 01 2012 01:16. Posts 1177 | Profile Blog # |
TLDR--
blizzard to Terrans:
"RAVENS"
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 xrapture United States. September 01 2012 01:16. Posts 1643 | Profile Blog # |
He truly is clueless. Mvp and Bomber beat some fucking foreigners at IEM and it proves TvZ is balanced? What a joke.
And I'm guessing he didn't even bother to watch MLG. |
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