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| obesechicken13 United States. September 03 2012 13:49. Posts 4270 | Profile Blog # |
Last week it was announced in the New York Times that half the students in an introduction to congress class were under investigation for cheating on take home tests. Of the ~250 students, ~120 were under investigation.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/01/education/students-of-harvard-cheating-scandal-say-group-work-was-accepted.html
Harvard students suspected in a major cheating scandal said on Friday that many of the accusations are based on innocent — or at least tolerated — collaboration among students, and with help from graduate-student teachers who sometimes gave them answers to test questions.
Harvard Says 125 Students May Have Cheated on a Final Exam (August 31, 2012) Students said they were tripped up by a course whose tests were confusing, whose grading was inconsistent, and for which the professor and teaching assistants gave contradictory signals about what was expected. They face the possibility of a one-year suspension from Harvard or revocation of their diplomas if they have already graduated, and some said that they will sue the university if any serious punishment is meted out.
In years past, the course, Introduction to Congress, had a reputation as one of the easiest at Harvard College. Some of the 279 students who took it in the spring semester said that the teacher, Matthew B. Platt, an assistant professor of government, told them at the outset that he gave high grades and that neither attending his lectures nor the discussion sessions with graduate teaching fellows was mandatory.
“He said, ‘I gave out 120 A’s last year, and I’ll give out 120 more,’ ” one accused student said.
But evaluations posted online by students after finals — before the cheating charges were made — in Harvard’s Q Guide were filled with seething assessments, and made clear that the class was no longer easy. Many students, who posted anonymously, described Dr. Platt as a great lecturer, but the guide included far more comments like “I felt that many of the exam questions were designed to trick you rather than test your understanding of the material,” “the exams are absolutely absurd and don’t match the material covered in the lecture at all,” “went from being easy last year to just being plain old confusing,” and “this was perhaps the worst class I have ever taken.”
Harvard University revealed on Wednesday that nearly half of the undergraduates in the spring class were under investigation for suspected cheating, for working together or for plagiarizing on a take-home final exam. Jay Harris, the dean of undergraduate education, called the episode “unprecedented in its scope and magnitude.”
The university would not name the class, but it was identified by students facing cheating allegations. They were granted anonymity because they said they feared that open criticism could influence the outcome of their disciplinary cases.
“They’re threatening people’s futures,” said a student who graduated in May. “Having my degree revoked now would mean I lose my job.”
The students said they do not doubt that some people in the class did things that were obviously prohibited, like working together in writing test answers. But they said that some of the conduct now being condemned was taken for granted in the course, on previous tests and in previous years.
Dr. Platt and his teaching assistants did not respond to messages requesting comment that were left on Friday. In response to calls to Mr. Harris and Michael D. Smith, the dean and chief academic officer of the Faculty of Arts and Sciences, the university released a statement saying that the university’s administrative board still must meet with each accused student and that it has not reached any conclusions.
“We expect to learn more about the way the course was organized and how work was approached in class and on the take-home final,” the statement said. “That is the type of information that the process is designed to bring forward, and we will review all of the facts as they arise.”
The class met three times a week, and each student in the class was assigned to one of 10 discussion sections, each of which held weekly sessions with graduate teaching fellows. The course grade was based entirely on four take-home tests, which students had several days to complete and which were graded by the teaching fellows.
Students complained that teaching fellows varied widely in how tough they were in grading, how helpful they were, and which terms and references to sources they expected to see in answers. As a result, they said, students routinely shared notes from Dr. Pratt’s lectures, notes from discussion sessions, and reading materials, which they believed was allowed.
“I was just someone who shared notes, and now I’m implicated in this,” said a senior who faces a cheating allegation. “Everyone in this class had shared notes. You’d expect similar answers.”
Instructions on the final exam said, “students may not discuss the exam with others.” Students said that consulting with the fellows on exams was commonplace, that the fellows generally did not turn students away, and that the fellows did not always understand the questions, either.
One student recalled going to a teaching fellow while working on the final exam and finding a crowd of others there, asking about a test question that hinged on an unfamiliar term. The student said the fellow defined the term for them.
An accused sophomore said that in working on exams, “everybody went to the T.F.’s and begged for help. Some of the T.F.’s really laid it out for you, as explicit as you need, so of course the answers were the same.”
He said that he also discussed test questions with other students, which he acknowledged was prohibited, but he maintained that the practice was widespread and accepted.
The exam instructions said it was “completely open book, open note, open Internet, etc.” Some students asked whether there was a fundamental contradiction between telling students to use online resources, but not to discuss the test with each other.
Cheating happens at all major universities. To what degree, is unclear. Most students have admitted to cheating in blind surveys but it's not clear whether they copy off each other during tests or discuss homework problems on a 1% assignment. The secretive nature of cheating is what makes it hard to measure. This isn't an issue for just Harvard. The fact that it occurred at Harvard only means it'll make it to reddit's front page. I don't look down on Harvard's students and in fact I think I'm probably a worse student than most of those under investigation.
I don't think too many people will face the penalty of a 1 year withdrawal from Harvard. That's too much of a punishment and it's something that the University will avoid.
I do want to discuss how the educational system can be improved though. It's clear the course was a "bird course". A Canadian term for a class where everyone does well.
“He said, ‘I gave out 120 A’s last year, and I’ll give out 120 more,’ ” one accused student said.
Professors want their classes to be run so they need students to take the course. That's reason enough to make an easy course even if the students taking the course have no use or little interest for taking it. What should schools do about this? Is it the role of the university to make sure students are making the most of their education? should all courses be made easier so no student feels the need to take an easy course just to improve their grades? Or does it not matter since in the end people will see the average grade in a class when looking at transcripts?
What about discussion? How much discussion between students should be tolerated? Just enough that they are not giving out answers? The argument for more discussion is that students will never encounter a situation in the "real world" where they have to work alone on something. The argument for less discussion is that students need to be tested on their own ability.
I feel like education is changing. I don't think the whole educational structure is changing all the quickly. Courses are still taught by professors the same way they would have been taught 50 years ago. Only now with newer material. But more education is becoming digitized every day. You've got open courseware popping up everywhere. Large repositories of free and pay to access material. Now these online courses are not without their own flaws. Online courses are highly impersonal, but when students aren't showing up to lectures, and learning off the course slides I don't really see the difference between the education one would receive at a prestigious institution of higher education and an online course.
One of the main draws of University is that you can discuss things in person with fellow students and to learn from each other more quickly. If this kind of learning is discouraged then how is the education at a University better at all? |
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| tobi9999 United States. September 03 2012 14:16. Posts 1212 | Profile # |
Unfortunately integrity often isn't correlated with intelligence or success. However, it is incredibly important. The world isn't a very fair place, so many people cheat and never get caught.
As a freshman in college, I don't really think the most important part of the collegiate experience is the often times trivial information you learn, but rather the process of learning it. I think they should be punished in some way, not necessarily taking their degrees away though. The "ruining futures" thing is bullshit though, the students themselves ruined their own futures lol. |
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| LoGikk September 03 2012 14:21. Posts 19 | Profile # |
| In one of my math classes during a final, I'd say about 20% cheated in the class. The professor was a grandpa. Last edit: 2012-09-03 14:21:23 |
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| SnipedSoul Canada. September 03 2012 14:21. Posts 1694 | Profile # |
On September 03 2012 14:16 tobi9999 wrote: Unfortunately integrity often isn't correlated with intelligence or success. However, it is incredibly important. The world isn't a very fair place, so many people cheat and never get caught.
As a freshman in college, I don't really think the most important part of the collegiate experience is the often times trivial information you learn, but rather the process of learning it. I think they should be punished in some way, not necessarily taking their degrees away though. The "ruining futures" thing is bullshit though, the students themselves ruined their own futures lol.
You won't use 99% of what you learn in college. A degree is really just an institution verifying that you're capable of learning at all.
Nearly half the students cheating is ridiculous. I thought it would be more like 10%.Last edit: 2012-09-03 14:21:43 |
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| whatthefat United States. September 03 2012 14:26. Posts 918 | Profile Blog # |
Based on my own experience, I think some degree of collaboration is actually helpful in learning. I also think the best way of circumventing these issues is in the writing of the class assessments.
If you are going to use take-home exams, then they need to (a) be clear and be based on the class material, and (b) require open questions or leaps of intuition, where any excessive collaboration becomes obvious. In the case of this class, it's clear that the assessments were defective and that's what led to the whole problem.
Additionally, in-class examinations avoid the cheating issue altogether. Most courses I took during my undergraduate degree were 70-100% based on the final exam. |
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| ballasdontcry Canada. September 03 2012 14:29. Posts 541 | Profile # |
I never understood the premise of take home exams. I never had one in undergrad and probably won't have one in professional school either.
Call it an assignment, weigh it less, and make an in class exam worth a bigger cut of the mark (hell, you can even have open book if you wanna coddle the students so much). It's gonna help reduce instances of situations like that.Last edit: 2012-09-03 14:31:09 |
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| Belisarius Australia. September 03 2012 14:31. Posts 1782 | Profile # |
| Honestly, if you create a course with a heavy discussion and collaboration component which you opt to grade solely on take-home exams, what do you expect to happen? |
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| Kambing United States. September 03 2012 14:35. Posts 1086 | Profile # |
I could go on about this at length, but to start:
(1) The purpose of a grade is to give a rough, quantitative estimate of the mastery of a student's material both for the instructor/institution and the student's sake. Course grades should be delivered as such devoid of any other motivating factors. That being said, in practice, the threat of bad evaluations compels (untenured) professors and lecturers to soften the blow to varying degrees depending on the situation.
(2) Discussion should be encouraged as much as possible. Ultimately, the student must be able to demonstrate their own mastery of the material. In this sense, "discussion" during a test makes no sense as a test is a direct way of assessing mastery and (in a traditional setting), allowing collaboration and discussion in this context makes being able to assess individual mastery difficult or impossible.
(3) Online courses are new enough that no one is really able to articulate their effectiveness or their pros or cons yet. Universities are actively trying to monetize such endeavors, but at the same time, university educators need to be able to clearly articulate what they bring to the table as live instructors vs. "immortalizing" their content online.
To the Harvard incident, you need to tease apart several key ideas:
1. The students who legitimately cheated circumvented the purpose of the exam (to assess individual mastery) and as such, deserve their punishment. Discussion is a non-factor because again, discussion defeats the purpose of the exam.
2. There is a giant gray area of pseudo-cheating that hopefully will be cleared up in Harvard's tribunal. Sometimes these things arise as coincidences from shared notes (although less likely than you'd like in practice). Sometimes the teaching staff fucks up and helps out much more than they should.
3. The quality of the course itself is suspect not just because (allegedly) the course content did not match what was on the tests, but also the structure of the exams themselves allowed for such widespread plagarism. Here's the syllabus for the class:
http://isites.harvard.edu/fs/docs/icb.topic839683.files/Intro%20Congress%20Syllabus%202011.pdf
From that you can see the exams are mini-paper responses to one of a set of possible questions. The types of questions asked (fact-regurgitation vs. critical thinking/synthesis) shape how easy it is to cheat on the exams. |
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| Ldawg United States. September 03 2012 14:36. Posts 309 | Profile # |
As a current T.A. (Teaching Assistant) and graduate student, I can state that from my personal experience that in most courses there are students that cheat. IMO, at least one contributing factor is the soft approach that many universities take toward punishing cheaters.
I have personally witnessed a group of 4-5 students copying answers on a take-home that the professor had clearly stated was to consist of a take-home portion that was to be done on their own. Not only that, he had them sign statements acknowledging the policy but they still cheated anyway. I walked in on them copying answers, immediately walked over to the professor (who is also the chair of the department) told him what was happening, who was participating and where they were. I was told in short that "yes, they should really stop giving take home exams" and that they would "look into it".
Fast forward a year. I am in a signal analysis course with many of the students from the prior experience. In a similar scenario, we were told the take home portion was to be done independent of anyone. Immediately after the class dismissed, I was approached by two students who blatantly asked for answers and if I wanted to work together. I immediately went to the professor's office and informed him, and was given the same toothless response.
I see so much rampant cheating that I just attempt to ignore it at this point. I have seen professors copy lecture slides and claim them as their own, a different professor copy homework assignments from the internet and claim them as his own and many other student actions.
To top it all off, one of these students who I caught cheating is on the SAC (Student Advisory Council)!
Ok, rant over for now. I thought I would chime in from experience, although I wish I had another viewpoint to state. I will try one more attempt at informing officials at the university just before I graduate, but I don't expect much. |
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| stevarius United States. September 03 2012 14:38. Posts 1368 | Profile # |
What's even worse is that teachers often use the same fucking questions as every other professor in america.
You can google half the answers you find on a lot of online quizzes because of study guides published all over the internet. The only way to deal with 'cheating' is to keep the course testing offline and in class. |
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| Pusekatten Norway. September 03 2012 14:42. Posts 231 | Profile # |
Is this a scene from Suits? Its all I can think off when you put Harvard and cheating in the same sentence  Last edit: 2012-09-03 14:42:36 |
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| Gijian United States. September 03 2012 14:49. Posts 266 | Profile # |
| Never have I ever cheated throughout my college pursuit, but often when feeling overwhelmed, the thought of so do brush through my mind. In those cases, I do feel how some students feel the need to. However, majority of the time, it's because the students that procrastinated and put themselves into that position. I feel like our college system only encourage the pursuit of a title rather than the pursuit for greater knowledge. |
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| Zariel Australia. September 03 2012 14:49. Posts 958 | Profile Blog # |
Dude, when I got my Samsung S2 smartphone, I downloaded all the lecture notes, tutorial questions and answers and my own notes onto my phone.
Towards to end of the exam, when I've answered whatever I could, I would ask if I could go to the toilet (clutching my stomach a little on the way out, pretending my stomach hurt). In the toilet, I would take my time and read what I needed to know on my phone, remember it and finish my test.
Ended up getting distinctions on all 3 subjects I took that semester and I got my Accounting degree
I give you absolute guarantee that I'm not the only one that does this. |
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micronesia United States. September 03 2012 15:10. Posts 19351 | Profile Blog # |
To those of you saying the problem is the soft approach institutions take to cheating, keep in mind that it's actually very difficult to combat. 'Backbone' will result in false positives (person who didn't cheat gets punished), legal battles (with people who are paying you a lot of money), and negative publicity (case in point: this thread).
I think it's disgusting how little integrity most students seem to have (at all levels) [no offense to person above me lol].Last edit: 2012-09-03 15:10:46 |
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| Sub40APM September 03 2012 15:18. Posts 2086 | Profile # |
good grades at harvard --> into law school or a good ibank/consulting gig. bad grades at harvard --> still that huge debt, and into unemployment. I am not surprised people are doing this with college grad unemployment this high. And the ultimate cost is born by society as a whole. |
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| Aerisky United States. September 03 2012 15:18. Posts 9262 | Profile Blog # |
Boom. Zariel's conduct induces old man micronesia to shake his head in sadness. :o
Reading through that article, it seems that it's not full-blown cheating per se, and that not all of the accused may really be guilty of cheating; in fact it may be a rather large misunderstanding. If that's the format in which the class is taught, it truly seems like there could be a lot of false positives when some fellows give out better definitions and those definitions are shared. |
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| KimJongChill United States. September 03 2012 15:22. Posts 6424 | Profile # |
| cheating occurs everywhere. it's not uncommon for greek system to have a repository of old tests and homeworks that they give out to members. |
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| Mykill Canada. September 03 2012 15:26. Posts 3226 | Profile Blog # |
test bank, assignment bank is going to provide preliminary answers then comes the extra power of teamwork.
Any take home test is just a dumb idea, the professor should know that students will AT LEAST confer with each other on the solution |
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| Aerisky United States. September 03 2012 15:28. Posts 9262 | Profile Blog # |
KimJongChill is that true? :o oh snap lol. Makes sense once you know though I suppose.
Mykill that actually reminds me, I know CalTech, for one, gives take-home tests for which students are basically screwed over lol--use the Internet, friends, whatever, you're still dead. Average GPA 2.x or something all told. |
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UniversalSnip September 03 2012 15:29. Posts 4820 | Profile Blog # |
I have to say the way in which the class was taught seems outright ridiculous, and this doesn't strike me as genuine cheating.
I have to wonder how many people actually read the article... mods included.Last edit: 2012-09-03 15:31:24 |
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