Riot attempted to force teams to drop Dota

On September 08 2012 03:16 RockIronrod wrote:
Honestly, Celial has just used this topic to shit on Scoots and make up stories about him, usually involving Scoots making up stories because fuck it why not? Can we just stop paying attention to him now? His only point is "but Scoots is lying." it's a weak point that doesn't deserve half a week of circlejerking over.
Most of us don't have a strange infatuation with thr idea of Scoots being Hitler, and can trust him as an industry member to be a reliable source. If we got news from the owner of Gamespot that EA was trying to strongarm them into a contract saying they can't have Activision games on their shelves, we wouldn't deride him for being an attention whore, we'd ask EA why they were being such pricks.

He also has another point, though it's equally ridiculous, that scoots hates lol. It's ridiculous because regardless of his opinion on any game, which he usually keeps to himself, Scoots makes a point not to shit on a game like that, even if he doesn't like it, which I neither know nor care whether he does, because he'll support the growth of eSports regardless of where it happens to grow.

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Redox Germany. September 08 2012 03:33. Posts 6031

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On September 08 2012 03:16 RockIronrod wrote:
If we got news from the owner of Gamespot that EA was trying to strongarm them into a contract saying they can't have Activision games on their shelves, we wouldn't deride him for being an attention whore, we'd ask EA why they were being such pricks.

Personally I can very well believe that someone at Riot had this idea.

What I have difficulty believing is that there was interest by EG to have a LoL team and that they are not allowed by Riot to have one. So how would they strongarm EG into any contract?

And as Riot dropped this idea according to Scoots, there should be no problem to pick up a LoL team now for EG right?

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CeriseCherries United States. September 08 2012 03:34. Posts 4704

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On September 08 2012 03:31 Takkara wrote:
What is the end game of this discussion?

The rule does not and will not exist. If the rule does come about some day, the public (including the LoL community) will backlash against it and crucify Riot. Riot, being aware of this, will not be stupid enough to pursue this ever again.

Who understood what and told whom is not important anymore. We cannot prove anything in a he-said, she-said battle, so it is pointless to comb through all the information and try to find hidden agendas and secret inconsistencies. It's not clear if the public outing of these rumors caused Riot to back off, or if this rule was already gone by the time this was exposed. Nor may we ever know. Scoots himself isn't even sure when Riot backed off the rule (sourced from his Twitter). We have netizens accusing Scoots of lying to destroy LoL, we have Scoots accusing ODEE and others of lying because they are afraid of Riot, and all of this does nothing to help anything or anyone.

The point of this backlash should have been to get Riot to back off of their potential rule. The issue is that they backed off the potential rule seemingly before the backlash could get going. The masses are so riled up that the unused energy is just being channeled towards calling everyone liars.

So, again I ask, what is the end-game here? I feel like we should be satisfied that the rule is not going to happen and teams can have squads in any of the games they want. Are other people not satisfied with that? If so, what do you want as the end-game? Do you just want Riot to die? If so, don't hold your breath waiting. Do you just want to hate EG/Incontrol/ODEE/Riot/Reddit more than you already do? OK, but you don't need this controversy for it.

see that was the reasonable thing to assume right off the bat and then we get drama-mongers making big fuss

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ODEE United Kingdom. September 08 2012 03:34. Posts 16

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Just wanted to clarify SirScoots didnt tell me this information when we chatted in Seattle we both had it from multiple sources. My tweet last night meant to say that but on twitter its hard to do in 140 characters.

If this was a RIOT policy at one point and then they changed their policy to non exclusivity for whatever reason, well good because I am glad that they did.

But I really do not get what all the fuss is about, that's it over now as far as I am concerned. Posting here as I am banned still on Reddit

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DonKey_ Liechtenstein. September 08 2012 03:35. Posts 809

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On September 08 2012 03:18 iNteLStyLe wrote:

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On September 08 2012 03:05 DonKey_ wrote:

On September 08 2012 02:56 sekritzzz wrote:

On September 08 2012 02:45 Celial wrote:

On September 08 2012 02:14 SirScoots wrote:
I lied about nothing. This was a policy Riot was most certainly putting in place as Riot execs have been talking to some of the top teams about it for the last few weeks. It pains me to see some other people ARE now lying and covering their tracks, but so be it. Perhaps it is in their best financial interest to do so. I firmly stand by what I said on the show, this was no "rumor" made up by outsiders, this was a detail of the S3 plan that was made public and then Riot changed their minds.

Hate me all you want, but if you think I made this shit up to cause drama or you think I hate LoL, well, you are just plain stupid.

Yeah we heard you the first time on LO3. Still, where is the proof? "Some teams". Okay fair enough, you don't want to tell to not get them in trouble. "Made public". Okay, so these teams have something in writing that they were expected to sign? There surely are mails from Riot? Where is it? Did all teams that were supposed to sign this the instant it was scrapped delete all their backups and business communication? You surely must have seen it to be still sticking to the story after everyone backed out. Show it to us.

Maybe I do you a horrible wrong. Who knows? The boy who cried wolf and all... Also don't get me wrong. You and Garfield are brilliant businessmen. I have mad respect for that. I really do. I just don't like the persona you put on in public.

How old are you? I mean seriously, your asking for proof and the guy you are talking to is at the top of management in a top e- sports team who was probably talking with riot execs. Who the hell would be reliable if he isn't? Xxnaruto628xX?

Attack him for asking for proof, while you at it attack me too, I have no personal problem with scoots or even anyone involved in this situation, HOWEVER to make claims of that have such HUGE consequences behind them on a PUBLIC show you sure as hell better have proof to back your statements. Someones word does not count as evidence when peoples jobs are potentially at stake at Riot for a comment like this.

For whats its worth to anyone who cares I would gladly retract all my statements and apologize regarding being cautious about this whole affair if any solid evidence whatsoever could be presented, but COME ON you can't just say "trust me I'm telling the truth" in a situation like this. It has VERY real consequences.

What do you want? A screenshot? Audio evidence?

Everything is here. Go read Maelk's post earlier in the thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=366477&currentpage=30#586

Also: http://twitter.com/dignitasODEE/status/244129481500008448

Yes this is exactly what I want, how can someone make claims like this in public otherwise it boggles the mind. Why is it asking to much to have evidence instead of claims of verbal promises.

Read the post Directly under Maelk's post, I read his post and even replied to it.

Yes, I read ODEE's tweet to however I don't know why you linked it to me.

Thank you, this is what I've wanted since page 9 of this thread But it keeps getting escalated to a higher degree the longer this goes on. I'm not here to say someone is lying I'm to say no one has all the facts and the longer this goes on the worse consequences it will have. If this drama keeps escalating someone is going to get A LOT of backlash for this it and it doesn't benefit anyone for this to happen.

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iNteLStyLe United States. September 08 2012 03:38. Posts 69

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On September 08 2012 03:34 ODEE wrote:
Just wanted to clarify SirScoots didnt tell me this information when we chatted in Seattle we both had it from multiple sources. My tweet last night meant to say that but on twitter its hard to do in 140 characters.

If this was a RIOT policy at one point and then they changed their policy to non exclusivity for whatever reason, well good because I am glad that they did.

But I really do not get what all the fuss is about, that's it over now as far as I am concerned. Posting here as I am banned still on Reddit

Stop lying. You know it was RIOT policy at one point. They changed their mind to avoid the backlash.

Lost all respect for you.

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Celial September 08 2012 03:41. Posts 906

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For what its worth I sent a PM to Scoots apologizing for the way I attacked him when I was posting while mad. My point however still stands. Not condeming anyone without proof beyond all doubt. And you shouldn't either.

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skipgamer Australia. September 08 2012 03:43. Posts 559

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Can't believe this thread has gone on so long =\

Riot have the rights to put whatever the hell they want in their contracts. I actually wish they didn't change this policy. I'd love to see e-sport franchises not picking up/dropping their LoL teams and sticking to dota. Would be a great way to watch Riot shoot themselves in the foot.

Either way, it's not a matter of if Riot will screw things up for themselves, it's just a matter of how.

Redox Germany. September 08 2012 03:46. Posts 6031

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On September 08 2012 03:43 skipgamer wrote:
Riot have the rights to put whatever the hell they want in their contracts. I actually wish they didn't change this policy. I'd love to see e-sport franchises not picking up/dropping their LoL teams and sticking to dota.

Why would you want that? Whats the harm in LoL teams being around even if you dont care about them?

Reap_ Brunei Darussalam. September 08 2012 03:47. Posts 408

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This is no longer about Riot's policy. People are just trying to prove they're right and it's fucking stupid.

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Heh_ Singapore. September 08 2012 03:51. Posts 2245

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In my opinion, the shitstorm was caused by the fact that Riot had this policy at one point. It doesn't matter that they scrapped the policy (which is a good thing); thinking that this policy was a good idea and actually trying to enforce it is a major blow to Riot.

If a terrorist gathered materials for a bomb but got arrested before he even planted the bomb, he would be charged in court even though his plans haven't came to fruition.

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iNteLStyLe United States. September 08 2012 03:52. Posts 69

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Well, now that we all know RIOT lied to its community regarding this policy (There was no misunderstanding) and that they have showed their true colors (once again) we can move on, correct?

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Canucklehead Canada. September 08 2012 03:55. Posts 3574

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It's still going on because of all the lying and backtracking Riot is doing now. If Riot came out and said, yes we had this policy in place, but upon further reflection, we decided it was a bad idea and we're not going to implement it now, then it would have died most likely. Community would have moved on saying, good on riot for realizing this was a bad plan.

Instead, they lie and say it was "miscommunication" and get teams like yours to lie and go along with this coverup. Therefore, the story is being kept alive with both sides accusing each other of lying now.

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iNteLStyLe United States. September 08 2012 03:58. Posts 69

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On September 08 2012 03:55 Canucklehead wrote:

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It's still going on because of all the lying and backtracking Riot is doing now. If Riot came out and said, yes we had this policy in place, but upon further reflection, we decided it was a bad idea and we're not going to implement it now. Then it would have died most likely and community would have moved on saying, good on riot for realizing this was a bad plan.

Instead, they lie and say it was "miscommunication" and get teams like yours to lie and go along with this coverup. Therefore, the story is being kept alive with both sides accusing each other of lying now.

Here we go.

ODEE you know what the right thing to do is.

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ODEE United Kingdom. September 08 2012 03:59. Posts 16

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Get back to work?

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Redox Germany. September 08 2012 03:59. Posts 6031

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On September 08 2012 03:55 Canucklehead wrote:

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It's still going on because of all the lying and backtracking Riot is doing now. If Riot came out and said, yes we had this policy in place, but upon further reflection, we decided it was a bad idea and we're not going to implement it now. Then it would have died most likely and community would have moved on saying, good on riot for realizing this was a bad plan.

Instead, they lie and say it was "miscommunication" and get teams like yours to lie and go along with this coverup. Therefore, the story is being kept alive with both sides accusing each other of lying now.

Well they obviously never had this policy in place. They maybe contemplated it. But I get what you mean.

iNteLStyLe United States. September 08 2012 04:02. Posts 69

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On September 08 2012 03:59 ODEE wrote:
Get back to work?

If that involves saying that RIOT is lying to us in an attempt to cover their tracks, then yes. It wasn't a misunderstanding, and you very much knew that this policy was set to be in place. We get it, you think you have lots of $$ at stake by not saying it, but to be honest, as shown by this situation and how they are handling it, we both know they are like a bubble that is about to burst.

I don't get why you just can't say it. If you really are afraid what RIOT will do, maybe you are invested in the wrong game.

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Canucklehead Canada. September 08 2012 04:04. Posts 3574

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On September 08 2012 03:59 ODEE wrote:
Get back to work?

Get back to throwing scoots under the bus? The only reason people are calling scoots a liar now is because they're using your statement as direct counter proof to his.

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Jaaaaasper United States. September 08 2012 04:06. Posts 2391

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Edit: its not worth getting into this argument

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iNteLStyLe United States. September 08 2012 04:07. Posts 69

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On September 08 2012 04:06 Jaaaaasper wrote:

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Yes, he is obviuosly lying, becuase dear god there is no doubt that riot told them that. Riot could have said that to col and eg with out saying it to dignitas you know.

Which would make Scoots a liar, judging from his comments on Lo3.

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