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U.S. ambassador to Libya killed in rocket attack

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 ImFromPortugal   Portugal. September 12 2012 19:42. Posts 722
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U.S. ambassador to Libya, 3 others killed in rocket attack, witness says


The United States ambassador to Libya, J. Christopher Stevens, was killed in a rocket attack on the American Consulate in the city of Benghazi on Tuesday, a contractor working at the mission said Wednesday after seeing Stevens' body.

Three American security staff were also killed, said the contractor, who asked not to be named for security reasons.

He said he saw all four bodies on the street Wednesday morning. The bodies are now in the Central Hospital in Benghazi, he said.

Libyan Deputy Prime Minister Mustafa Abushagur appeared to confirm that the envoy had been killed, saying that Stevens was "a friend of Libya, and we are shocked at the the attacks on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi."

"I condemn these barbaric acts in the strongest possible terms. This is an attack on America, Libya and free people everywhere," Abushagur said on Twitter.

The contractor in Benghazi said he could hear rocket-propelled grenade attacks last night.

Libyans were also killed, the contractor said, saying the victims were shot on the spot.

The deaths came as protesters attacked U.S. diplomatic compounds in Libya and Egypt on Tuesday, angry about an online film considered offensive to Islam.

The United States has not confirmed the deaths.

Stevens was the American envoy to the Libyan rebel movement that overthrew dictator Moammar Gadhafi last year, based in the rebel capital of Benghazi.

A speaker of Arabic and French, he was among the first American diplomats sent to Libya in 2007 when the United States resumed ties with the Gadhafi regime.

The last time an American ambassador was killed by terrorists was in 1979, when the envoy to Afghanistan, Adolph Dubs, was kidnapped and killed during an attempt to rescue him, according to State Department records.

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/09/12/world/africa/libya-us-ambassador-killed/index.html?hpt=hp_t1



On September 12 2012 23:00 Meta wrote:
Might want to add this to the OP:

Apparently these killings were a reaction to this ridiculous, hilariously bad film released yesterday. Freedom of speech will never happen in the middle east.



Source: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/this-is-the-anti-muhammed-movie-that-sparked-deadly-islamist-protests-in-egypt-libya-yesterday/#



US President Obama to give 10:35 am ET statement on killing of US ambassador's death; Sec Clinton to attend

US officials tell @NBCNews that State Department has requested additional units of Marines be airlifted to Libya to bolster security at US embassy


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Israeli filmmaker in hiding after anti-Islam movie sparks deadly Libya, Egypt protests

Film by Sam Bacile, who self-identifies as an Israeli Jew, led to protests at the U.S. consulate in Libya and the U.S. Embassy in Cairo; one American staffer killed in clashes.

Bacile, a California real estate developer in his fifties who identifies himself as an Israeli Jew, said he believes the movie will help his native land by exposing Islam's flaws to the world. "

"Islam is a cancer, period," he repeatedly said in a solemn, accented tone.

The two-hour movie, "Innocence of Muslims," cost $5 million to make and was financed with the help of more than 100 Jewish donors, said Bacile, who wrote and directed it.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/israeli-filmmaker-in-hiding-after-anti-islam-movie-sparks-deadly-libya-egypt-protests-1.464459


KwarK edited the op to say:
One of the dead was a known and beloved online gamer and part of the EVE Online community. He was a hugely significant community member and was a player elected representative in EVE's CSM, a real life advisory council on the direction the game should take.
A fuller obituary can be found here.
http://themittani.com/news/rip-vile-rat

We hear about horrible news like this often in the world but often as a remote thing that happens to someone else. But for a significant portion of the gaming community this tragedy touched one of their own.



On September 14 2012 04:44 Brindled wrote:
OP, Please put this in your first post. I think it's important.

'This does not represent us': Pro-American rallies in Libya after terrorist attack that killed ambassador Chris Stevens

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2202857/This-does-represent-Pro-American-rallies-Libya-terrorist-attack-killed-ambassador-Chris-Stevens.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

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UPDATES:




On September 20 2012 11:34 Joedaddy wrote:
New developments:

TL/DR: U.S. Government officials are now labeling the attack as a terrorist attack. There is evidence suggesting a link between the attack and Al Qaeda. Sufyan Ben Qumu, a former Gitmo detainee and associate of Osama Bin Laden, is thought to have been involved and even may have led the attack.

While there hasn't been a final decision on what motivated the attack, there is a lot of evidence that suggests the youtube video had little/nothing to do with the attack. Consequently, the White House is back tracking on its claim that the youtube video is what sparked this attack.

+ Show Spoiler +

There is also evidence supporting a theory that the protests and subsequent attack was in retaliation for the ongoing imprisonment of "The Blind Sheikh."


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Full Article:
+ Show Spoiler +

I'm very curious to see what comes out of the ongoing investigations in the coming weeks.



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 frontliner2   Netherlands. September 12 2012 19:50. Posts 682
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Ai.. that's messed up. Radical Islam killed another bunch of people and also a US ambassador. RIP to the deceased.

I hope this isn't going to be trend.
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 redviper   Pakistan. September 12 2012 19:53. Posts 1840
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Its completely over the top to call the militants terrorists.

Also this is what comes from supporting the rebels in order to profit from oil.
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 Eisregen   Germany. September 12 2012 19:57. Posts 901
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OK let's look at the facts:

Online film about islam, also equalling it with "cancer"
Anyone surprised some religious dudes snapped? -No, not really.

Man, one should know, that things like this can happen, especially as simple-minded believers are ppl you won't be able to discuss anything with. They will just break out in anger and kill you.
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 frontliner2   Netherlands. September 12 2012 19:58. Posts 682
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On September 12 2012 19:53 redviper wrote:
Its completely over the top to call the militants terrorists.

Also this is what comes from supporting the rebels in order to profit from oil.


Why? Shooting rockets at an embassy and executing civilians witnesses is a militant act? No that's terroris my friend.
Starcraft is a very nice game and has great character. Pro games are great fun to watch!
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  Bahamut1337   Ghana. September 12 2012 20:00. Posts 205Profile # 

On September 12 2012 19:57 Eisregen wrote:
OK let's look at the facts:

Online film about islam, also equalling it with "cancer"
Anyone surprised some religious dudes snapped? -No, not really.

Man, one should know, that things like this can happen, especially as simple-minded believers are ppl you won't be able to discuss anything with. They will just break out in anger and kill you.


Christianity gets bashed all the time, no rockets fired at people.

Fact of the matter is Islam is extremly intolerant and paranoid about critisism ( justified, or as in this case rubbish)

Muhammed cartoons > Riots
Muhammed movie > riots
African teddy bear named muhammed > Riots

Such a downright violent religion, and people wonder why its known as the religion of violence and opression
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 frontliner2   Netherlands. September 12 2012 20:00. Posts 682
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On September 12 2012 19:57 Eisregen wrote:
OK let's look at the facts:

Online film about islam, also equalling it with "cancer"
Anyone surprised some religious dudes snapped? -No, not really.

Man, one should know, that things like this can happen, especially as simple-minded believers are ppl you won't be able to discuss anything with. They will just break out in anger and kill you.


No excuse to defend these terrorists. I understand that it is unwise but by your logic you should never criticize muslims, communists, neonazi's etc. Because they won't think and just start killing people who critisize them.
Starcraft is a very nice game and has great character. Pro games are great fun to watch!
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  Bahamut1337   Ghana. September 12 2012 20:04. Posts 205Profile # 
The Islamic Jihadists also attacked a Egyptian embassy. Perhaps time for the US to start picking proper allies instead of Pro Jihad nations.

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE88A11N20120911?irpc=932

Also not one, but three staff members were murderd by Jihad militia in Libya

http://news.yahoo.com/u-ambassador-libya-three-staff-killed-rocket-attack-091505030.html
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 Eisregen   Germany. September 12 2012 20:08. Posts 901
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On September 12 2012 20:00 frontliner2 wrote:

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No excuse to defend these terrorists. I understand that it is unwise but by your logic you should never criticize muslims, communists, neonazi's etc. Because they won't think and just start killing people who critisize them.


I never defended anyone. Those are straight facts.

It is well known that simple-minded believers are unreasonable, especially islamistic ones nowadays. The christians e.g. already had their time of slaughter and killing.
Therefor, one should think about what a movie can cause. No questioning the killing is as wrong as something can be wrong. But try facing unreasonable idiots with reasoning...

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 Souma   United States. September 12 2012 20:14. Posts 3180
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On September 12 2012 20:04 Bahamut1337 wrote:
The Islamic Jihadists also attacked a Egyptian embassy. Perhaps time for the US to start picking proper allies instead of Pro Jihad nations.

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE88A11N20120911?irpc=932

Also not one, but three staff members were murderd by Jihad militia in Libya

http://news.yahoo.com/u-ambassador-libya-three-staff-killed-rocket-attack-091505030.html


"Pro Jihad nations"... what? Don't let a group of crazies distort your view of an entire nation.
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  Bahamut1337   Ghana. September 12 2012 20:14. Posts 205Profile # 

On September 12 2012 20:08 Eisregen wrote:

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I never defended anyone. Those are straight facts.

It is well known that simple-minded believers are unreasonable, especially islamistic ones nowadays. The christians e.g. already had their time of slaughter and killing.
Therefor, one should think about what a movie can cause. No questioning the killing is as wrong as something can be wrong. But try facing unreasonable idiots with reasoning...




In other words give islam a special status to protect it above all other religions just like the OIC is trying to archieve.

One would think a german would be against giving a group special status above others..

Fact is that the world must condemn this act. Investigate to wheter autorities knew of this ( big chance there was) and if so cut all military and diplomatic ties and aid.
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  Bahamut1337   Ghana. September 12 2012 20:17. Posts 205Profile # 

On September 12 2012 20:14 Souma wrote:

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"Pro Jihad nations"... what? Don't let a group of crazies distort your view of an entire nation.


Since Egypt is ruled by the Muslim Brotherhood who has a nice little slogan

''The Brotherhood's credo was and is, "Allah is our objective; the Quran is our law, the Prophet is our leader; Jihad is our way; and death for the sake of Allah is the highest of our aspirations."[9][10] Its most famous slogan, used worldwide, is "Islam is the solution."[8]''

Not to mention the close links of many elements of the Muslim Brotherhood with Jihad groups. Yes a pro Jihad nation.
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 Skilledblob   Germany. September 12 2012 20:19. Posts 2657
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On September 12 2012 20:14 Bahamut1337 wrote:

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In other words give islam a special status to protect it above all other religions just like the OIC is trying to archieve.

One would think a german would be against giving a group special status above others..

Fact is that the world must condemn this act. Investigate to wheter autorities knew of this ( big chance there was) and if so cut all military and diplomatic ties and aid.


first page, Nazi card allready played I am impressed mister.
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 ELA   Denmark. September 12 2012 20:19. Posts 4567
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And on september fucking 11th as well... Im not american, but im fuming right now... Did you guys see the pictures of your half naked ambassador being dragged around by a mob??

Faith in the Arab Spring = gone
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 Eisregen   Germany. September 12 2012 20:26. Posts 901
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On September 12 2012 20:14 Bahamut1337 wrote:

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In other words give islam a special status to protect it above all other religions just like the OIC is trying to archieve.

One would think a german would be against giving a group special status above others..

Fact is that the world must condemn this act. Investigate to wheter autorities knew of this ( big chance there was) and if so cut all military and diplomatic ties and aid.


You are aware that you keep intepreting things into me stating facts?
I dont give anyone a special status.

It is like in your private/business life. All your action have consequences you should/may think of. And if you release a movie stating islam=cancer and are surprised some simpletons are going crazy, then that is just bluntly said, a lie or the guy is incredible stupid.
(-> Here you can interpret, that I am not surprised of what happened at all and nothing else)

If you kill someone you have to face consequences, and I hope they will face consequences (though I doubt it).

I couldnt care less about religion and believers. They shall do what they want to as long as they keep their stuff for themselves and dont annoy me with their "reasoning".
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  NeMeSiS3   Canada. September 12 2012 20:29. Posts 2969Profile Blog # 

On September 12 2012 19:58 frontliner2 wrote:

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Why? Shooting rockets at an embassy and executing civilians witnesses is a militant act? No that's terroris my friend.


You obviously have no idea what you're talking about -.-
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 redviper   Pakistan. September 12 2012 20:30. Posts 1840
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On September 12 2012 19:58 frontliner2 wrote:

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Why? Shooting rockets at an embassy and executing civilians witnesses is a militant act? No that's terroris my friend.


Because neither of these things are terrorist actions in of themselves. Shooting rockets at an embassy is an act of war, and killing civilian witnesses is murder. These groups didn't plan it out to cause terror to invoke political change. It was more an aggressive action of militants rather than a terrorist action.
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 redviper   Pakistan. September 12 2012 20:32. Posts 1840
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On September 12 2012 20:19 ELA wrote:
And on september fucking 11th as well... Im not american, but im fuming right now... Did you guys see the pictures of your half naked ambassador being dragged around by a mob??

Faith in the Arab Spring = gone


Funny that you blame the Arab Spring for this. The intervention in Libya by Nato killed the Arab Spring dead. The NTC in libya was essentially people in exile because of crimes against libya. Incidentally, I wonder where this outrage was when Nato killed Qaddafi's grandchildren.
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 mahO   France. September 12 2012 20:37. Posts 268
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On September 12 2012 20:00 Bahamut1337 wrote:

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Christianity gets bashed all the time, no rockets fired at people.

Fact of the matter is Islam is extremly intolerant and paranoid about critisism ( justified, or as in this case rubbish)

Muhammed cartoons > Riots
Muhammed movie > riots
African teddy bear named muhammed > Riots

Such a downright violent religion, and people wonder why its known as the religion of violence and opression


Did you take the time to think as why it is a violent religion? They are the most persecuted, insulted religion, I'm not justifying radicals, and by the way, no wonder so many idiots join the terrorists when you see people generalize their WHOLE religion because of few crazy extremists, there are 1 600 000 000 muslims on our planet, maybe, I dont know but lets say 10%, 160 millions are extremists, maybe 1 million are actively helping terrorists or are terrorists, and people still bash them ALL the time, many of their countries have been in wars, most of them disregarding civilians population, they are pictured everywhere as evil and dangerous.
So yeah, they are touchy when it comes to their religion, and especially to their prophet, so leave them the fuck alone in general. Christianity gets bashed all the time? Ahaha are you fucking kidding me? No "we're not" (i'm atheist, but european so... my town must have something like 10 churchs for 100 000 people, I live in a christian based culture), our medias are constantly biased on the view of Islam and spread fear about them, focusing on the few extremists, how rare it is that we actually see something about middle east countries that isnt terrorism or war.
So of course this isnt a valid reason for innocent to get killed, especially a state official who's death will only bring more trouble and negative attention, but they have another fucking culture, some might consider it medieval and idiotic, some might find it barbaric, misogynist (dont know if it's the right word), I just find it different, they evolved from a completely different situation, they live in a completely different situation, just like some regions of Africa, China, India, South America, global medias, just brought the weird concept of "one retard makes a movie insulting X, 10 millions protest and attack ambassy because of it".
God damn it I'm so fucking tired of the ignorant point of view people project on muslim countries, they wont ever set a foot there, they probably never knew a muslim person, but they feel able to generalize 1.6 FUCKING BILLION people over CNN and shit like that, it is whats wrong with humanity, you have access to information, but you just choose to deny it, eat what people feed you, and run copy pasta that shit around on the internet.
Bleh

Edit: Briefly checked you post history, you obviously are simply racist towards muslim and paranoid, you only post about that in every thread that is remotely related to middle east countries and Islam, well, guess I read you well the first time, keep up the hate man, only way to fight extremism is more extremism right?
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  Silidons   United States. September 12 2012 20:38. Posts 2785Profile Blog # 

On September 12 2012 20:00 Bahamut1337 wrote:

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Christianity gets bashed all the time, no rockets fired at people.

Fact of the matter is Islam is extremly intolerant and paranoid about critisism ( justified, or as in this case rubbish)

Muhammed cartoons > Riots
Muhammed movie > riots
African teddy bear named muhammed > Riots

Such a downright violent religion, and people wonder why its known as the religion of violence and opression

...ever hear of the Inquisition? Islam now is equivalent to Catholocism then.
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