| Fuzer Finland. September 13 2012 03:38. Posts 222 | Profile Blog # |
Hello everyone
So if someone didn't know I moved into Ministry of Win gaming house a month ago. We agreed on skype that I stay there for 3 months and I pay 2500zlt monthly (around 600euros).
I left/got kicked from the house yesterday because I didn't sign the contract. I wanted to get my lawyer to check the contract before signing it, because in my opinion it was full of shit:
Basically the contract said that a player who comes to the house needs to stream for MoW 150hours a month (5hours a day) and MoW house takes a cut from your streaming revenues: So basically you come to the house, you pay 600euros so you could have best conditions to practice but still you have to work for the house?
I mean if you have this kind of "surprises" in the contract, why don't you tell them before player actually comes to the house? When we talked about my coming I was only interested about my practicing over there and that's what we agreed.
And another thing that the contract said is that after you've been your time in the house, you're not allowed to establish your own house / be part of gaming house as a coach etc. for next 10 years. (We asked about this from the boss and he said that they don't want us to take "ideas" from this house to some of their competitors)
But I think the way they had worded the contract it would allow them to deny us from even joining other gaming houses as a player for next 10 years.
So after I noticed that I wanted to check out if the contract had anything else "hidden" on it, because english is not my native language I wanted to let my lawyer check it for me, so I asked if they could send it to him/or to me so I can forward it. They wanted my lawyer to send some verifications that he is actually a qualified lawyer before they would send it to him.
MoW never got the stuff they wanted so they never sent it to my lawyer(It felt to me that they didn't want anyone who actually knew more about the law stuff to see contracts like this )
Yesterday the boss told me in skype that I have to sign the contract before 22:00 or I'd have to leave. I told him that I can't sign it before my lawyer sees it.
So I decided to leave the house. I asked him if he was going to pay me back the money I had already paid for this month (I paid 2500zlt and I were there 6 days out of 30 days = so they owe me 2000zlt)
(Skype log, censored the name of the guy who runs MoW = Boss)
[11.9.2012 12:41:24] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: so you have to pay me back from th emoney
[11.9.2012 12:41:33] Boss: nope, I don't have
[11.9.2012 12:41:40] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: ok
[11.9.2012 12:41:50] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: so i paid you from this month
[11.9.2012 12:41:53] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: and im not here for this month
[11.9.2012 12:41:56] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: so you give back my money
[11.9.2012 12:41:58] Boss: You are breaking the rules
[11.9.2012 12:42:02] Boss: you know how it works?
[11.9.2012 12:42:06] Boss: If not - read the contract again
[11.9.2012 12:42:08] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: well
[11.9.2012 12:42:11] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: as you said i didnt sign it
[11.9.2012 12:42:17] Boss: So I don't have your money
[11.9.2012 12:42:32] Boss: Do you have any confirmation?
[11.9.2012 12:42:41] Boss: No. So now you see my situation when you don't sign the contract.
When I wrote to my facebook page that they stole my money, right away the boss asked about my bank account, but anyways I decided to tell the story. I know I may lose the money but atleast I can do something for esports and reveal some things aren't as nice as you may think.
But overall my thinks about the house: Computers worked fine, I was able to focus on my practicing and I improved a lot (and will continue improving).
But I would suggest them to give some more food to people. I mean it was unhealthy (deep fried fries 3times a week) and there wasn't enough food (3 meatballs for whole day + some fries+ vegetables). Of course there was some cold food like bread and serials but only one "Hot" meal in a day.
There was no "training schedule" I mean, for every day it was same "eat, play, eat play, eat, play, free time, sleep". No personal training programs, no personal workout programs, no anything.
During first 3 weeks (before the big names came to the house) I was woken up 4 times during the night, because boss and his friends were having fun (basically they had parties in downstairs really often). Once they came 4am from the nightclub and talked so loudly that almost every player in the house woke up (after that one I had serious discussion about this and it ended).
For last words I want to thank other players in the house, you guys were great and I will miss you. It was nice time for the time it lasted.
And by the way, the boss tried to stop me writing this by saying that I signed NDA(=Non-disclosure agreement), but next time you make people to sign them. Please make sure that papers are binded together somehow + you take signature to every page.
edit. I'm not saying that 10 year thing is 100% accurate. The contract had 15 pages and that was just one part of it.
I Mean as I said English is not my native and it was just how my Finnish brains translated it. That's why I wanted to check it with lawyer, so both me and MoW house would have been in the same level...
edit2. Its NOT FXO boss.
Edit3. Ok he claims things:
On September 13 2012 08:14 MinistryOfWin wrote:http://i.imgur.com/PFNQU.pngIt is all about because we have removed him from the house. He was acting really childish through the past 30 days. Last time he came to me with the money he threw them at me and said "This is the money for my stay". Furthermore we would like to state, that the Ministry of Win Contract Agreement has been created with the cooperation of the original five guests of the house. It took us two weeks of intense collaboration to ensure that the final document is the most convenient for both the players themselves and us. In light of numerous violations of the house rules and a general lack of respect towards both fellow residents and the staff of Game Zone Sp. z o.o. (L.L.C.) as of yesterday (11th September 2012) Fuzer has been asked to leave the house. An amicable solution could have not been reached although such has been proposed.
Nice picture, heres that little big bigger http://aijaa.com/u9ny6T and I want to point OUT that he wanted to give money back AFTER I stated that Im going to write this to public.
edit5
Okay, looks like they want to learn from their mistakes.
I got the money they owed me in my Paypal account and that side of the story is now cleared. They don't owe me money from the rent anymore.
Last edit: 2012-09-14 20:19:03 |
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| Gladiator6 Sweden. September 13 2012 03:40. Posts 6821 | Profile # |
Would be good if we could see if more people experienced same problems as you did at MoW, maybe those that lived there first with you or so?
I feel bad for you if this is all true, but you did the right thing.Last edit: 2012-09-13 03:48:31 |
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| -UMADIMSTYLIN- Cuba. September 13 2012 03:40. Posts 292 | Profile Blog # |
| That is awful.. sorry buddy |
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| YouthSC United Kingdom. September 13 2012 03:41. Posts 253 | Profile Blog # |
Thank you for disclosing this. It did sound too good to be true. If indeed there is an NDA, then the MoW is full of bullshit, no wonder nobody else is saying shit (mainly because they're not allowed to).
Thank you for this, I'm sure many people will value it if anyone was considering going to the MoW. |
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| kleptako Denmark. September 13 2012 03:41. Posts 167 | Profile # |
| Kinda sounds like what i was expecting with this new gaming house to be honest. Hope nothing more comes of out this and it gets solved internally |
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| Maasked United States. September 13 2012 03:42. Posts 160 | Profile # |
Wow, I cant believe that everywhere in Esports is being plagued by horrible business practices and bad people
Best of luck to you fuzer, thanks for sharing your story. |
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| blade55555 United States. September 13 2012 03:42. Posts 14076 | Profile Blog # |
| Interesting and absolutely stupid if everything is true. There are always 2 sides to the story but wow the MoW sounds absolutely horrid. Also good luck keeping people from doing another team house or something for 10 years lol... |
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| seanisgrand United States. September 13 2012 03:43. Posts 762 | Profile Blog # |
| Can't be a part of another gaming house for 10 years... what the hell haha. |
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| Kazeyonoma United States. September 13 2012 03:44. Posts 2232 | Profile Blog # |
| wow....very interesting information here on the MoW. thanks for exposing this Fuzer and good job at getting your lawyer to look at stuff before signing anything. 10 years no gaming house... LOL. Last edit: 2012-09-13 03:45:10 |
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| Darneck Sweden. September 13 2012 03:44. Posts 1382 | Profile # |
| Wow, I seriously hope everyone who signed the contract knew this and that it won't stay like this. Isn't destiny going there? A cut from his revenues would be quite big and the part about not being allowed to join another gaming house for 10 years is absolutely stupid. |
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| LovE- United States. September 13 2012 03:45. Posts 1927 | Profile Blog # |
| Well that's pretty interesting. I thought that the MoW was a really good thing but if all of this is true then :| |
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| ScienceRob United States. September 13 2012 03:45. Posts 350 | Profile # |
you're not allowed to establish your own house / be part of gaming house for next 10 years.
If this is true then I don't see why anyone would sign such a thing... |
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| Kernkraft September 13 2012 03:45. Posts 91 | Profile # |
| that 10 year and 5 hrs streaming thing.... this is hurting esports |
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| iAmiAnC United Kingdom. September 13 2012 03:45. Posts 316 | Profile Blog # |
remember reading about Mickey Mouse stuff like this 10 years ago in the Counter-Strike scene  |
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| Mackus England. September 13 2012 03:45. Posts 1609 | Profile # |
So the MoW is basically slave labour.
Oh and the Boss owes you the rent, I personally suggest naming and shaming. |
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| Grampz United States. September 13 2012 03:45. Posts 2066 | Profile # |
| Wow lol no food? That is very very bad |
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| Cinim Denmark. September 13 2012 03:45. Posts 640 | Profile # |
| You pay 600 euro each month? really? in Poland you can live for 1/4 of that if you have just your own place. And with so many people there, and sponsors as well, they are ripping you off already from the start. Last edit: 2012-09-13 03:46:01 |
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| YouthSC United Kingdom. September 13 2012 03:45. Posts 253 | Profile Blog # |
If you're paying to stay there, then that's everything they should take from you. Not fuck you over not being able to stay in another gaming house for 10 years and taking a part of your revenue. That's just mental.
Hopefully someone from MoW will post here and we'll see where this goes. Blood bath incoming! |
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| J_Slim United States. September 13 2012 03:45. Posts 198 | Profile # |
thought MoW was set up to be a place for everyone (no team alliance) to work and get better.
Grats, you're good at this game... now don't play for any teams for 10 years. |
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| Chaggi Korea (South). September 13 2012 03:46. Posts 1083 | Profile # |
| The streaming thing, okay, whatever. The 10 year thing? lol no |
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