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zalz Netherlands. September 16 2012 01:19. Posts 3291 | Profile Blog # |
With Islam once again being placed at the center of attention as the result of the death of the American ambassador, I thought it might be a good idea to create a topic aimed at trying to explain a little about the second largest religion in the world.
People that have read some of my posts know where I land on the subject of religon in general, but also Islam, but I would urge not to engage in subjective arguments about the merit of religion, or a specific religion. I don't say this because I don't think it is an argument worth having, I say it because I don't think this topic is the place to have that debate.
With that said, let's begin. All sections are written as independent from one another as possible, but some parts might help understand the others.
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The basics of Islam
+ Show Spoiler +Islam is one of the three main branches of the Abrahamic religion, all of which trace themselves back to Judaism.
Muhammed, an illiterate merchant (most people of the time were, giving birth to a rich history of oral tradition), was leading a fairly ordinary life by 600AD Arabian standards.
One day, whilst meditating in a cave, the angel Gabriel came to him, and, in my favorite version, he spoke and ordered Muhammed to read.
Muhammed, being illiterate, said that he could not read. The angel grabbed him and ordered him to read. Again, Muhammed said he couldn't. Two mores times, the angel ordered him to read before proclaiming the first revelation.
If we are to believe Islam, the revelations came to Muhammed for the rest of his life, always delivered to him by Gabriel.
The quran is composed of these revelations, remembered until they were written down. This makes the quran, unlike most other holy books, the literal word of god, delivered unto humanity without being diluted.
All events outside of these revelations are collected in the hadiths. Though not everything spoken by Muhammed was taken as revelation, he was considered the perfect muslim. Thus, imitating the behaviour of Muhammed is considered to be the safest bet of getting into heaven.
The various hadiths are based on witnesses to the prophet. Some of these people are considered very reliable (like Aisha, said to be Muhammed's favorite wife), other's are considered little more than hearsay, but documented purely for a case of "what-if." You would hate to be the guy that forgot to write down divine revelation.
The first man to write the book on Muhammed's life after his death estimated as many as 2/3rd of hadiths to be so poorly sourced that they had no value.
The five pillars of Islam
+ Show Spoiler +Islam, at its most basic, is build upon the five pillars, these being:
Shahada - Reciting the pronounciation, most argue that you become a muslim once you utter these words with the intent of becoming a muslim. The chant being: "There is no god but Allah, and Muhammed is his prophet." The exact wording differs. Some people insist on saying Allah (simply Arabic for god) others are fine with "no god but god." This first pillar firmly explains one of the most fundamental aspects of Islam, there is only one god, and he is singular.
Though we are often taught that the three Abrahamic religions are monotheistic, Islam is by far the most monotheistic. Things like the trinity (The son, father, holy spirit) are deemed deeply heretical. God is one, and god is singular, undivided.
The other thing we learn is the importance placed on the prophet, another theme that features prominently in Islam.
Salah - Daily prayer, the act of praying towards Mecca five times every day. Though the acting of praying physically aimed towards Mecca, the spiritual side of the prayer is expected to be directed towards god, who is not restricted to any specific place.
The act of praying towards the same location is mostly grounded in providing unity for the Ummah, the community of believers.
The importance of praying towards Mecca is believed to be largely responsible for the advances in mathematics that occured during the islamic golden age. By using math and reading the stars, muslims of the time attempted to pinpoint the location of Mecca, no matter where in the world they were.
Zakat - The act of giving to the poor. Not quite like a tithe in that it is less specific. Those who themselves are poor are not expected to give zakat, only those that have the means to do so. The exact degree is disputed, though more is better.
Giving to the poor has been open to interpretation. Some parts of muslim society believe that donating to terrorist or rebellious movements is also a form of zakat.
Ramadan - Most likely the most well known of the four. The month long fast. For one month, muslims refrain from eating, drinking, smoking or having sex (of any kind, including masturbation), for the period during which the sun is up.
Because the month of ramadan can vary, it will sometimes be during the summer, and other times during the winter. Due to the day's length being different, combined with the different environmental conditions, keeping with ramadan can be very difficult or reasonably easy, depending on when it starts.
Ramadan, out of the five pillars, is the only one that is generally enforced upon everyone in society, regardless of belief.
People can be excused of the Ramadan, depending on their condition. Pregnant women and sick people being the two most common.
Hajj - The pilgrimage to Mecca that all muslims are expected to make at least once in their life, if they are healthy enough and have the funds to make the trip.
Some of these pilgrimages have become food for legend and myth. Many African kings would often travel in vast entourages, filled with goods, gold, and even animals that the people of the region had rarely seen.
More practically, these pilgrimages were sometimes used as political tricks, forcing rivals to set out for a journey that could last them years. Other times, they were employed as ways to advance a political career, somewhat akin to how a Roman general would return to Rome in a triumph, so too did muslim politicians sometimes prove their worth in the way they undertook the pilgrimage to Mecca.
History of Islam - Life of the Prophet
+ Show Spoiler +After revelation, Muhammed did not instantly begin to preach. Upon returning home from the first revelation, he spoke with family as to what would be the wisest move. His uncle, a devout monotheist (though not a christian or jew), urged him to pick up the mantle of prophet. Muhammed began his preachings in Mecca, an obvious destination for prophets of the time. Mecca was a city filled with idols of many different gods. This gave the city a very wealthy income from pilgrims, something that would later be one of the main reasons for their dispute with Muhammed's message. Arabia, at the time (and some argue still) was a deeply tribal society. Those who did not belong to a tribe were denied many chances to climb the social ladder. Islam, being distinctly un-tribal for its time, was reasonably revolutionairy. Many of the people that lacked tribal connections found themselves enthralled at the prospect of Islam, but by and large, the people of Mecca ignored Muhammed's message. Muhammed enjoyed protection from his tribal ties, allowing him to keep preaching what many Meccans believed was a very destructive story, one that would see all their pilgrim-money dry up if it were to be believed. Eventually, Muhammed saw no other option but to flee from Mecca. When his protector in his tribe died, his tribe withdrew his protection. Realizing the danger, and the fact that his message had gone as far as it would go in Mecca, he travelled to Medina in what was called Hijra. It is on this day that the Islamic calendar begins, year 0. There, in Medina, Muhammed ruled as the spiritual leader and judge of the society, a defacto leadership position. Hatred continued to exist between Muhammed and the Meccan tribes. This clash of divine mandate and economic interests would eventually lead to an all out war between the two cities. The war would eventually come to an end with Muhammed entering Mecca and destroying the Kabal, the house of the gods, smashing all the idols and establishing Islam and monotheism and the faith of the region. The Jewish tribe in the city of Medina had contemplated revolting, believing Muhammed's position to be one doomed for failure. Upon being succesful, Muhammed returned to deal with the Jews. He himself wanted to exile them, but his advisors urged him to strip them of their possession and exile them, which they ended up doing. After defeating Mecca, there were a few enemies left, city states and tribal powers, but in the end, all of Arabia was brought in line. Some years later, Muhammed died from a fever. His last wish was for Aishia, his wife, to get rid of his last possessions in the world, seven coins. His last words are disputed, but are often quoted as being: Rather, God on High and paradise.
History of Islam - Birth of an empire
+ Show Spoiler +With Muhammed now dead, the newly formed Islamic nation was in trouble. Their legitimacy was derived from the prophet, and already there were reports of different versions of the quran being spread across Arabia. Since most information was spread through word of mouth, the message was mutating in some places.
Abu Bakr, in a meeting of prominent muslims, was chosen as the first Caliph, to rule over a Caliphate.
This proved to be the first splitting point of the, up till that point, unified muslim community. Those that sided with Abu became the Sunni-muslims, believing that since he became the caliph, god must have wanted it.
Those that sided with Ali, adopted son of Muhammed and first convert to Islam, became the Shia-muslims, believing that god's will was adverted. Over the course of the centuries, this relatively minor dispute would prove to be increasingly divisive.
The first four caliphs to rule over the caliphate were all companions of the prophet, and are often named the rightly-guided caliphs. It was these caliphs that made the muslim world into a true empire.
Though Islam is widely known as being spread by the sword, initial conquests followed a more Roman model where the people were not actively converted. The muslims that conquered the regions generally secluded themselves to their own fortresses and cities, taxing the population as a sort of religious warrior-class.
Over time, the various benefits motivated the conquered peoples to convert, allowing them to circumvent taxes and gain many benefits.
One of the first problems the caliphate faced was on the idenity of Islam. Until the caliphs, Islam had been a religion of Arabs, but as the empire grew increasingly larger and more people were brought into both the fold of the empire and faith, the idenity of Islam came into question.
Ali, proving to be a rather poor caliph (argued to be due to his lack of political realism and hardline dedication to the faith), was faced with many uprisings in the caliphate, one of the earliest being lead by Muhammed's favourite wife Aisha. When he was eventually assassinated, the title passed to his son.
His son, eager to avoid a similar fate, gave the title of Caliph to his father's political (and military) rival. This began the Umayyad dynasty.
The Umayyad's pushed the borderrs even further, but suffered from being distant from Muhammed, giving them the appearance of earthly rulers rather than divinely inspired rulers. In an empire where religion was so central, this couldn't stand forever.
The Umayyad's gave way for the Abbassids. Under the rule of the Abbassids (nearly three centuries) the caliphate grew to its greatest height. The stable rule of the Abbassids gave rise to economical and scientific growth, brining about the Islamic golden age.
But, the muslim empire, like all of mankind, was not ready for the arrival of the Mongols. Using superior military tactics, the caliphate was delivered a series of crushing defeats that destroyed the credibility of the caliphate.
A very prominent theme at the time was the belief that the caliphate had drifted away from god, and the mongols were their punishment. This made the Mongol destruction of the region more than just physical, it destroyed the belief in a system of government that proclaimed itself divinely supported.
After defeat at the hands of the mongols the caliphate would slowly wither and die, not entirely vanishing, but growing increasingly weaker until eventually abolished by the Turks after the first world war, though at that time it was more a symbolic move against religiosity than anything else. Everyone's favorite Secularist Ataturk was responsible for driving the dagger through.
Thus ended the period in which Islam was both a religion and a fact of life through earthly government. Rising tides of nationalism made the transition from caliphate to nationhood relatively quick for the region.
Denominations of Islam
+ Show Spoiler +Sunni - The largest denomination, believes Abu Bakr was rightly elected as Caliph, has as many as 70-90% of all muslims as followers. Sunnis generally view all other denominations as heretical.
Shia - The second largest denomination with 10-20% of muslims as followers, believe that Ali was supposed to be the first Caliph (he became the fourth).
Shia Islam has several different beliefs, the most peculiar being the insitution of temporary marriage, allowing people to be married for a specific period of time. These contracts can be made to exclude sex, simply allowing a man and woman to live together and avoid dealing with the many rules of unrelated male/female interaction. For example, a male and female student could be married so they can live in the same house and she doesn't have to wear the headscarf. The contract can also permit sex, thus giving rise to a peculiar form of prostiution where men and women enter a marriage contract that can last as little as an hour.
Suffi - A denomination of Islam that puts focus on the spiritual, rather than the practical side of Islam. Very small denomination that needs to hide out of fear of persecution from the largest two sects.
Trivia of Islam
+ Show Spoiler +* Ramadan's start and end is decided by the rising and setting of the sun, as such, the government of Dubai has created a special time table for when one is allowed to eat in the Dubai tower, because the top floor does not experience sunset at the same moment as the ground floor.
* The quran, until established in writing, was passed entirely through word-of-mouth. With writing not being widely spread, most of history was passed through entirely through the spoken word. With the message of the quran especially, the people of the region took extreme care in remembering the exact wording of every revelation.
* Muhammed, in his own time, was often criticized for his love of food and spoils of war.
* Revelation came to Muhammed in what was described as a blinding light and a sharp painful noise. Witnesses to these revelations describe the prophet as being in great pain, giving rise to the belief that he suffered from epilepsy.
* The Satanic verses are a widely disputed set of revelations made by Muhammed. When the Meccans asked Muhammed if they could go on worshipping their own gods, Muhammed surprised everyone by saying that they could, adding that they were also real. This pronounciation was a clash with the strict monotheism of Islam. They are called the satanic verses because it is believed that Satan whispered them into Muhammed ear, pretending to be revelation. Most muslims reject the story, arguing that a prophet of god cannot be touched by Satan.
* It is often said that Islam, for its time, was a great improvement for the lives of women, is actually true. At the time, having a girl was considered an insult to one's manhood, often used as objects to trade for favors or deals. Under Islam, women were recognized as humans, though still not quite equal to men.
* One of the few people known to be in hell is Abu Lahab, one of Muhammed's uncles. When Muhammed first pronounced himself, he did so by climbing onto a hill and giving out the warning sign that was usually reserved for warning of an enemy tribe attacking. His uncle, annoyed at the false warning, insulted Muhammed. Over the course of his life, he would do other things, such as throwing goat entrails over the prophet whilst he was praying. His wife, apparently, had a habbit of throwing thorns on the prophet's path when he was walking. She too is one of the few people known to be in hell.
* When the first quran was written, it was noticed that the Arabic language at the time wasn't always perfectly clear, giving rise to different ways of reading certain passages. It was declared that there were, at least, eight different readings that were equally valid.
* Due to the evolution of Arabic, the quranic scripture that is carved into the Dome of the Rock is no longer the same as one would find in a quran printed in this day and age.
* Whilst the headscarf is considered cannon, the face veil is actually never mentioned in the quran. The division on the subject comes from muslims that differ on whether to adhere to the quran (cover the head and hands) or follow what Muhammed the perfect muslim did (his wives were veiled). Facial veils are prominent in Saudi-Arabia, Afghanistan and Pakistan, but are very rare in Iran.
Anyone who is interested in learning more in-depth should go and buy: "A history of Islamic societies" by Ira Lapidus.Last edit: 2012-09-16 01:24:22 |
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| The_Templar United States. September 16 2012 01:20. Posts 4029 | Profile Blog # |
This is a very good read, thanks! Hopefully it will be informative enough to help forumgoers here understand better. |
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Praetorial United States. September 16 2012 01:22. Posts 3631 | Profile Blog # |
| Thanks for the reading zalz! Last edit: 2012-09-16 01:22:19 |
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| Equity213 Canada. September 16 2012 01:23. Posts 868 | Profile # |
| Good write up, but if we are not allowed to discuss its merits and problems im not sure what to say. |
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| Xcobidoo Sweden. September 16 2012 01:27. Posts 1871 | Profile # |
Nice little write, but shouldn't this be a blog post or something since this is facts and nothing to discuss?  |
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Bahamut1337 Ghana. September 16 2012 01:27. Posts 205 | Profile # |
You are not allowed to discuss religion, and the piece is very political correct, for good reasons naturally 
For instance why was muhammed against freedom of religion, why did he marry 6 year old Aiyse, and why did he consume ( read sex) at age 9 with her. |
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| JieXian Malaysia. September 16 2012 01:28. Posts 2398 | Profile Blog # |
* Ramadan's start and end is decided by the rising and setting of the sun, as such, the government of Dubai has created a special time table for when one is allowed to eat in the Dubai tower, because the top floor does not experience sunset at the same moment as the ground floor.
I'd just take the elevator down to the ground floor and eat if I were muslim >_>
I think the face veil thing depends on the sect.
Edit: removed because I can't find the proofLast edit: 2012-09-16 01:42:35 |
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Bahamut1337 Ghana. September 16 2012 01:35. Posts 205 | Profile # |
On September 16 2012 01:28 JieXian wrote: Show nested quote +* Ramadan's start and end is decided by the rising and setting of the sun, as such, the government of Dubai has created a special time table for when one is allowed to eat in the Dubai tower, because the top floor does not experience sunset at the same moment as the ground floor.
I'd just take the elevator down to the ground floor and eat if I were muslim >_> I think the face veil thing depends on the sect. Some trivia: Officially alaysian muslims are in the Sunni sect and they presecute other sects and even jailed a few muslims for being Shia and that word can even be synonymous with insane idiots. Yet they go to Mecca to perform their Hajj which is a Sunni place.
Muslims dont really follow ramadan that much I recall in Indonesia during ramadan the food toko's being full of people, there were those curtains around to prevent looking inside most likely to make sure people are not scared to be seen.
In the Netherlands I saw plenty of Turks suddenly having medical reasons to eat during ramadan in the end Ramadan is really tough and only the faithful ( with a lot of willpower) will actually follow through. |
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| Powerpill United States. September 16 2012 01:37. Posts 1469 | Profile Blog # |
| Very well written sir, lots of information in just a little text, it kept my attention easily. A delightful historical read. ^_^ |
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| Tchado Jordan. September 16 2012 01:39. Posts 542 | Profile # |
On September 16 2012 01:27 Bahamut1337 wrote:You are not allowed to discuss religion, and the piece is very political correct, for good reasons naturally  For instance why was muhammed against freedom of religion, why did he marry 6 year old Aiyse, and why did he consume ( read sex) at age 9 with her.
Now I dont wanna start a debate here , its against TL rules , but be careful of what you post because it can make you look like a person who never read a single book on Islam or did any personal research , try to make a legit argument instead of small insignificant posts like that which only requires a few sentences to refute and out there exists tons of evidence to debunk it , any muslim apologist who sees your post will laugh his heart out at such a comment.....believe me I used to be one when I was a muslim.
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| LarJarsE United States. September 16 2012 01:44. Posts 1323 | Profile Blog # |
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| green.at Austria. September 16 2012 01:51. Posts 1438 | Profile Blog # |
Was an interesting read, though i am not that interested in any religion. It's interesting to get a picture of life back then, but that's it for me Thanks for the well writen piece! |
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NeMeSiS3 Canada. September 16 2012 01:52. Posts 2969 | Profile Blog # |
Islam is one of the three main branches of the Abrahamic religion, all of which trace themselves back to Judaism.
Actually Christianity/Islam/Judaism trace their roots to Zoroastrianism which is argued to be the very first monotheistic religion. (there is a big debate between whether Hinduism or Zoroastrianism started the "one god" philosophy, Hinduism uses avatars to explain specific ideologies (Vishnu/Shiva etc) but they all are based of a single entity and as I said are simply avatars. It gets confusing)
I just thought I would correct you on that, a lot of people have this opinion that Judaism was the starter but time and time again scholars shut it down. Although yes Judaism came before either Zoroastrianism or Islam/Christianity it was Zoroaster that brought forth the ideology of monotheism as Judaism was polytheistic.
Just thought I'd point that out T.T.Last edit: 2012-09-16 01:53:03 |
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| ElvisWayCool United States. September 16 2012 01:52. Posts 423 | Profile # |
This thread really seems like a bad idea.
Not that I don't believe in spreading knowledge, it's just the nature of forums mixed with the nature of religious discussion will most likely lead to a very negative situation. If this comes up, there will be more religious threads, then there will be argument in each of them, and then mods will have to stop people from bashing each others' religions all day long.
Even with your disclaimer, there's no stopping it.
So: very informative, lots of effort, appreciated, but not the best medium for your message.Last edit: 2012-09-16 01:53:54 |
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| JieXian Malaysia. September 16 2012 01:55. Posts 2398 | Profile Blog # |
On September 16 2012 01:35 Bahamut1337 wrote: Show nested quote +On September 16 2012 01:28 JieXian wrote: * Ramadan's start and end is decided by the rising and setting of the sun, as such, the government of Dubai has created a special time table for when one is allowed to eat in the Dubai tower, because the top floor does not experience sunset at the same moment as the ground floor.
I'd just take the elevator down to the ground floor and eat if I were muslim >_> I think the face veil thing depends on the sect. Some trivia: Officially alaysian muslims are in the Sunni sect and they presecute other sects and even jailed a few muslims for being Shia and that word can even be synonymous with insane idiots. Yet they go to Mecca to perform their Hajj which is a Sunni place.
Muslims dont really follow ramadan that much  I recall in Indonesia during ramadan the food toko's being full of people, there were those curtains around to prevent looking inside most likely to make sure people are not scared to be seen. In the Netherlands I saw plenty of Turks suddenly having medical reasons to eat during ramadan  in the end Ramadan is really tough and only the faithful ( with a lot of willpower) will actually follow through.
haha after all Turks are generally not too religious given their secular government. (Was hard to see anyone wearing a headscarf at all in Istanbul). But you're right some friends from Indonesia and Pakistan decide not to fast on certain days too.
The phenomena in Malaysia during Ramadan is that work and school end earlier. Also, there will be all kinds of break fasting advertisements, including many hotel buffets.
But of course I understand them. I recall a scene from Anthony Bourdain in Turkey where his taxi driver was repeating how hungry he was during the first days of Ramadan haha. He said after some time he'll get used to it.Last edit: 2012-09-16 01:58:20 |
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| icystorage Philippines. September 16 2012 01:56. Posts 3777 | Profile Blog # |
I heard that the reason female muslims cover their faces is to avoid 'tempting' the males. If they tempted the males to sin, even unintentionally, then they(female) have also sinned.
by tempting i mean that lusty thoughts
and one reason they consider pork unclean or dont eat pork is related to when jesus casted the demon "Legion" from the man to the pigs and the pigs committed genocide.
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| aXa France. September 16 2012 02:06. Posts 376 | Profile Blog # |
Always great to learn stuff on our favorite forum Thank you zalz ! |
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| adwodon United Kingdom. September 16 2012 02:08. Posts 418 | Profile Blog # |
http://www.channel4.com/programmes/islam-the-untold-story/4od
Anyone in the UK (or able to use a proxy) could check that out, it caused controversy with Muslims here in the UK but to me it seemed like a fairly balanced and informative documentary on the origins of Islam.
Basically there is no historical evidence that Islam as we understand it was Muhammad's religion, he was a conqueror and had a good following no doubt. However it questions Islams claim that it is as it was in the days of Muhammad, and hasn't changed or evolved.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2201699/Islam-The-Untold-Story-Screening-Channel-4-documentary-cancelled-presenter-threatened.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
Also that happened.
Islam wants to have some sort of bizarre status where we can't criticize it, its childish. Catholicism has even learnt to deal with it, its about time Islam did too. I know many moderate Muslims are they are without a doubt good people, but this is a worldwide religion and it seems the majority of its follows, similar to Catholicism, are illiterate and angry people who can be easily galvanized by vengeful clerics to cause violence and social unrest. However they take it a step further by refusing to join in any civilized debate or accept western societies critical nature, instead they chose to attack embassies and kill people when someone makes a film about how Muhammad was barbarous or send death squads against a man who rights a book or draws a cartoon.Last edit: 2012-09-16 02:13:09 |
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| Lockitupv2 United States. September 16 2012 02:10. Posts 368 | Profile # |
I learned everything I needed to know about Islam on 9/11.
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