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The soul of Islam

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  zalz   Netherlands. September 16 2012 01:19. Posts 3291Profile Blog # 
With Islam once again being placed at the center of attention as the result of the death of the American ambassador, I thought it might be a good idea to create a topic aimed at trying to explain a little about the second largest religion in the world.

People that have read some of my posts know where I land on the subject of religon in general, but also Islam, but I would urge not to engage in subjective arguments about the merit of religion, or a specific religion. I don't say this because I don't think it is an argument worth having, I say it because I don't think this topic is the place to have that debate.

With that said, let's begin. All sections are written as independent from one another as possible, but some parts might help understand the others.

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The basics of Islam

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The five pillars of Islam

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History of Islam - Life of the Prophet

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History of Islam - Birth of an empire

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Denominations of Islam

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Anyone who is interested in learning more in-depth should go and buy: "A history of Islamic societies" by Ira Lapidus.
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 The_Templar   United States. September 16 2012 01:20. Posts 4029
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This is a very good read, thanks!
Hopefully it will be informative enough to help forumgoers here understand better.
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  Praetorial   United States. September 16 2012 01:22. Posts 3631Profile Blog # 
Thanks for the reading zalz!
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 Equity213   Canada. September 16 2012 01:23. Posts 868
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Good write up, but if we are not allowed to discuss its merits and problems im not sure what to say.
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 Xcobidoo   Sweden. September 16 2012 01:27. Posts 1871
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Nice little write, but shouldn't this be a blog post or something since this is facts and nothing to discuss?
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  Bahamut1337   Ghana. September 16 2012 01:27. Posts 205Profile # 
You are not allowed to discuss religion, and the piece is very political correct, for good reasons naturally

For instance why was muhammed against freedom of religion, why did he marry 6 year old Aiyse, and why did he consume ( read sex) at age 9 with her.
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 JieXian   Malaysia. September 16 2012 01:28. Posts 2398
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* Ramadan's start and end is decided by the rising and setting of the sun, as such, the government of Dubai has created a special time table for when one is allowed to eat in the Dubai tower, because the top floor does not experience sunset at the same moment as the ground floor.


I'd just take the elevator down to the ground floor and eat if I were muslim >_>

I think the face veil thing depends on the sect.

Edit: removed because I can't find the proof
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  Bahamut1337   Ghana. September 16 2012 01:35. Posts 205Profile # 

On September 16 2012 01:28 JieXian wrote:

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I'd just take the elevator down to the ground floor and eat if I were muslim >_>


I think the face veil thing depends on the sect.

Some trivia: Officially alaysian muslims are in the Sunni sect and they presecute other sects and even jailed a few muslims for being Shia and that word can even be synonymous with insane idiots.

Yet they go to Mecca to perform their Hajj which is a Sunni place.


Muslims dont really follow ramadan that much I recall in Indonesia during ramadan the food toko's being full of people, there were those curtains around to prevent looking inside most likely to make sure people are not scared to be seen.

In the Netherlands I saw plenty of Turks suddenly having medical reasons to eat during ramadan in the end Ramadan is really tough and only the faithful ( with a lot of willpower) will actually follow through.
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 Powerpill   United States. September 16 2012 01:37. Posts 1469
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Very well written sir, lots of information in just a little text, it kept my attention easily. A delightful historical read. ^_^
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 Tchado   Jordan. September 16 2012 01:39. Posts 542
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On September 16 2012 01:27 Bahamut1337 wrote:
You are not allowed to discuss religion, and the piece is very political correct, for good reasons naturally

For instance why was muhammed against freedom of religion, why did he marry 6 year old Aiyse, and why did he consume ( read sex) at age 9 with her.


Now I dont wanna start a debate here , its against TL rules , but be careful of what you post because it can make you look like a person who never read a single book on Islam or did any personal research , try to make a legit argument instead of small insignificant posts like that which only requires a few sentences to refute and out there exists tons of evidence to debunk it , any muslim apologist who sees your post will laugh his heart out at such a comment.....believe me I used to be one when I was a muslim.

@OP , well written sir
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 LarJarsE   United States. September 16 2012 01:44. Posts 1323
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 themask4f   September 16 2012 01:46. Posts 138
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can this be deleted plz?
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 green.at   Austria. September 16 2012 01:51. Posts 1438
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Was an interesting read, though i am not that interested in any religion. It's interesting to get a picture of life back then, but that's it for me Thanks for the well writen piece!
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  NeMeSiS3   Canada. September 16 2012 01:52. Posts 2969Profile Blog # 

Islam is one of the three main branches of the Abrahamic religion, all of which trace themselves back to Judaism.


Actually Christianity/Islam/Judaism trace their roots to Zoroastrianism which is argued to be the very first monotheistic religion. (there is a big debate between whether Hinduism or Zoroastrianism started the "one god" philosophy, Hinduism uses avatars to explain specific ideologies (Vishnu/Shiva etc) but they all are based of a single entity and as I said are simply avatars. It gets confusing)

I just thought I would correct you on that, a lot of people have this opinion that Judaism was the starter but time and time again scholars shut it down. Although yes Judaism came before either Zoroastrianism or Islam/Christianity it was Zoroaster that brought forth the ideology of monotheism as Judaism was polytheistic.

Just thought I'd point that out T.T.
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 ElvisWayCool   United States. September 16 2012 01:52. Posts 423
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This thread really seems like a bad idea.

Not that I don't believe in spreading knowledge, it's just the nature of forums mixed with the nature of religious discussion will most likely lead to a very negative situation. If this comes up, there will be more religious threads, then there will be argument in each of them, and then mods will have to stop people from bashing each others' religions all day long.

Even with your disclaimer, there's no stopping it.

So: very informative, lots of effort, appreciated, but not the best medium for your message.
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 JieXian   Malaysia. September 16 2012 01:55. Posts 2398
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On September 16 2012 01:35 Bahamut1337 wrote:

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Muslims dont really follow ramadan that much I recall in Indonesia during ramadan the food toko's being full of people, there were those curtains around to prevent looking inside most likely to make sure people are not scared to be seen.

In the Netherlands I saw plenty of Turks suddenly having medical reasons to eat during ramadan in the end Ramadan is really tough and only the faithful ( with a lot of willpower) will actually follow through.


haha after all Turks are generally not too religious given their secular government. (Was hard to see anyone wearing a headscarf at all in Istanbul). But you're right some friends from Indonesia and Pakistan decide not to fast on certain days too.

The phenomena in Malaysia during Ramadan is that work and school end earlier. Also, there will be all kinds of break fasting advertisements, including many hotel buffets.

But of course I understand them. I recall a scene from Anthony Bourdain in Turkey where his taxi driver was repeating how hungry he was during the first days of Ramadan haha. He said after some time he'll get used to it.
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 icystorage   Philippines. September 16 2012 01:56. Posts 3777
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I heard that the reason female muslims cover their faces is to avoid 'tempting' the males. If they tempted the males to sin, even unintentionally, then they(female) have also sinned.

by tempting i mean that lusty thoughts

and one reason they consider pork unclean or dont eat pork is related to when jesus casted the demon "Legion" from the man to the pigs and the pigs committed genocide.

these are all hearsay. My father is a muslim.
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 aXa   France. September 16 2012 02:06. Posts 376
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Always great to learn stuff on our favorite forum Thank you zalz !
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 adwodon   United Kingdom. September 16 2012 02:08. Posts 418
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http://www.channel4.com/programmes/islam-the-untold-story/4od

Anyone in the UK (or able to use a proxy) could check that out, it caused controversy with Muslims here in the UK but to me it seemed like a fairly balanced and informative documentary on the origins of Islam.

Basically there is no historical evidence that Islam as we understand it was Muhammad's religion, he was a conqueror and had a good following no doubt. However it questions Islams claim that it is as it was in the days of Muhammad, and hasn't changed or evolved.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2201699/Islam-The-Untold-Story-Screening-Channel-4-documentary-cancelled-presenter-threatened.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

Also that happened.

Islam wants to have some sort of bizarre status where we can't criticize it, its childish. Catholicism has even learnt to deal with it, its about time Islam did too. I know many moderate Muslims are they are without a doubt good people, but this is a worldwide religion and it seems the majority of its follows, similar to Catholicism, are illiterate and angry people who can be easily galvanized by vengeful clerics to cause violence and social unrest. However they take it a step further by refusing to join in any civilized debate or accept western societies critical nature, instead they chose to attack embassies and kill people when someone makes a film about how Muhammad was barbarous or send death squads against a man who rights a book or draws a cartoon.
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 Lockitupv2   United States. September 16 2012 02:10. Posts 368
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I learned everything I needed to know about Islam on 9/11.

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