Ground Vikings

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On September 23 2012 01:03 mannerless wrote:
I don't know why the fuck Blizzard hasn't thought about merging armory upgrades yet...Instead of having separate upgrades for ships and vehicles just add a fucking "Machines" upgrade that works for factory and Starport. With mech being way shittier than it was in Broodwar there is no reason to make it have a different upgrade path, not to mention that for some reason ship plating is expensive (starting at 150/150) for no goddamn reason other than it being like that in BW (which blizz insists they don't wanna copy).

I think this change alone would give people an incentive on using the current factory units, you wouldn't even need to buff Vikings maybe.

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On September 23 2012 01:05 SarcasmMonster wrote:


Nah.

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On September 23 2012 01:05 SarcasmMonster wrote:
Nah.

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On September 23 2012 01:16 spbelky wrote:


I'm pretty sure all air armor upgrades start at 150/150 because air units are so mobile, if their armor upgrades were cheap you would always upgrade armor first in order to retain as many units as possible (think back to leenock MLG providence muta armor upgrades). Also, if armor upgrades were cheap, people might abuse capital ships (BC's already start with 3 armor... if you could rush to 4 or 5 armor BC's they might be TOO sturdy).

Although... T and P air armies are already rare as it is, maybe a 100/100 armor upgrade might encourage more air play

edit:

Oh and also, to contribute to the original topic of the thread...
When they decided not to revamp the Thor or have an AA attack on the Warhound... I was really hoping they would do something to make the Viking more versatile. I think the armor upgrade is a great idea, and the 7x2 damage isn't bad either (although I worry 3/3 Vikings would be sooooo good... 4 armor 10x2 damage?)

I feel like if they modified the viking it would feel like a new unit... which is good!

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On September 23 2012 01:47 Fig wrote:
This is not a good idea. The viking is already the best air superiority unit in the game. It takes out anything armored with ease, as well as anything that is massive, since those air units are all armored too. And it does this from 9 range, at a low unit cost. As a protoss, I would kill for this unit even if it didn't even have a ground mode.

Now you want to buff the ground damage, so that is deals damage pretty well to everything. Vikings already do this, though it may not seem like it, because people hardly ever use them on the ground (since it's air uses are so amazing). It has 12 ground DPS against everything already, which is a bit less than twice that of a stalker (6.9).

The viking is certainly not a unit that needs any more help. Instead you should be focusing on other units that are actually underused.

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On September 23 2012 01:52 one-one-one wrote:

And also, their ground weapons cant be upgraded.

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On September 23 2012 01:52 one-one-one wrote:


No. Ground mode vikings are bad.

And also, their ground weapons cant be upgraded. <<<----- this is wrong, sorry. but it would be better if mech weapons affected their ground attack.

edit: ground mode vikings was one of the things that was hit by Blizzard's blanket nerfs at the time when terrans were only doing abusive shit instead of developing solid play styles. The actual argument was that it was too good vs queens I think.
This should not apply anymore because Zergs has learned to make many queens and transfuse them when their hp gets in the red.

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On September 23 2012 02:05 Piousflea wrote:
Mech and Air upgrades are separate for a reason. If an endgame Terran could switch between a tank based army and a Battlecruiser based army and have 3/3 upgrades "for free" it would just be ridiculous.

Vikings deserve to benefit from mech upgrades because their role is VERY similar to the Goliath from scBW. It is a weak anti-ground unit and a strong anti-air unit with very long range. Against any serious air army, Thors don't cut it, you need Vikes to defend your tanks from air. (just like Goliaths) Compared to the Golie it is more expensive and fragile mainly because of the advantage in mobility. (Vikings can chase down BLs and BCs/Carriers no matter where they retreat, Goliaths can't)

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On September 23 2012 02:20 Fig wrote:

The problem I would say, is that many terran units are very specialized with what they do. Units like the Viking/Banshee/Marauder have such high DPS in their strong area because they are supposed to do one thing really well. The viking ground mode is basically just a little bonus for them, to increase their versatility a bit, like the phoenix's graviton beam.

It would be fine to make them more of an all-around unit by making the ground attack more useful, but you would have to nerf their already very strong air-to-air weapon.

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