| luckycat United States. October 01 2012 01:26. Posts 29 | Profile # |
| woot! can't wait to try these changes. This is great imo, since the meta game has shuffled again, new strats, new team compositions. oh yes, The International 3 will be very different from this years. |
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| RockIronrod Australia. October 01 2012 01:28. Posts 637 | Profile # |
I guess my problem is that the hero who's entire gimmick is "huge Agility" is pretty much equal in that regards (+-10~ agility off the top of my head) to someone else, whose strengths lie entirely somewhere else, who grows at a constant rate, without the 5-6 level stagnation of 1.9 growth before a burst.
I mean, if her weak growth is supposed to counter balance the huge Agi bursts, doesn't that kinda just defeat the entire purpose? |
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| SKC Brazil. October 01 2012 01:32. Posts 3247 | Profile # |
On October 01 2012 01:28 RockIronrod wrote:
I guess my problem is that the hero who's entire gimmick is "huge Agility" is pretty much equal in that regards (+-10~ agility off the top of my head) to someone else, whose strengths lie entirely somewhere else, who grows at a constant rate, without the 5-6 level stagnation of 1.9 growth before a burst.
I mean, if her weak growth is supposed to counter balance the huge Agi bursts, doesn't that kinda just defeat the entire purpose?
No, first because her agi growth was always far ahead of every other hero, with only the buffed PL coming close. So she would still have more agility at 25. But more importantly because the gamechanging moments in a game are not at 25. Being much stronger at 16 is great if you want to finish the game or at lest get a huge lead around level 16.
There is a reason why midgame carries are more popular than super lategame carries, having your peak at 16 isn't really an issue. Drow has much bigger problems that make her a weaker pick, but that's just not it.
If you are thinking this game could use a Drow, but now PL can overshadow her with his increased agi growth, it won't happen. PL is a completelly diferent hero. And the comparison doesn't exist with other heros, because noone comes close to his agi growth. The issue is the lack of games you could use a Drow.Last edit: 2012-10-01 01:35:21 |
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| climax United States. October 01 2012 01:35. Posts 514 | Profile Blog # |
Kunkka Buff, Sven Buff, and a SPIRIT BREAKER BUFF?!
This patch is so amazing. I'm so excited. |
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| GreYMisT United States. October 01 2012 01:38. Posts 4666 | Profile Blog # |
Clockwork could become viable again with power ifs taking priority over force staff.
These changes are so exciting!!! |
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| Swampsteel United States. October 01 2012 01:41. Posts 81 | Profile # |
| spirit breaker greater bash on magic immune!!!!!!! |
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| wihlborg Sweden. October 01 2012 01:53. Posts 43 | Profile # |
Techies
- Armor increased by 6
Ohh myy |
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| Kentakky Sweden. October 01 2012 02:06. Posts 714 | Profile # |
| Amazing patch, don't agree with 100% but like 95% and the new heroes (specially the guy who clones himself) is super fun. |
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| hunts United States. October 01 2012 02:26. Posts 1645 | Profile # |
lvl death only 20% of max hp  No more taking over half of someones HP bar with a lvl death in the early lvls The no lvl limit on eating creeps looks pretty amazing though. |
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dezi  Germany. October 01 2012 02:27. Posts 1417 | Profile Blog # |
Good patch, some things might a bit over the top but overall it's very nice and will change the meta and picking a lot - looking forward to the D2 patch  |
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| MrCon France. October 01 2012 02:27. Posts 20325 | Profile # |
On October 01 2012 02:26 hunts wrote:lvl death only 20% of max hp No more taking over half of someones HP bar with a lvl death in the early lvls The no lvl limit on eating creeps looks pretty amazing though.
The 20% of max HP is the bonus part |
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| hunts United States. October 01 2012 02:31. Posts 1645 | Profile # |
On October 01 2012 02:27 MrCon wrote:
Show nested quote +On October 01 2012 02:26 hunts wrote:lvl death only 20% of max hp No more taking over half of someones HP bar with a lvl death in the early lvls The no lvl limit on eating creeps looks pretty amazing though.
The 20% of max HP is the bonus part
I know. Just saying that at lower levels the bonus 250 is much more than 20%. This should scale much better into the late game though. |
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| MrCon France. October 01 2012 02:33. Posts 20325 | Profile # |
On October 01 2012 02:31 hunts wrote:
Show nested quote +On October 01 2012 02:27 MrCon wrote:
On October 01 2012 02:26 hunts wrote:lvl death only 20% of max hp No more taking over half of someones HP bar with a lvl death in the early lvls The no lvl limit on eating creeps looks pretty amazing though.
The 20% of max HP is the bonus part
I know. Just saying that at lower levels the bonus 250 is much more than 20%. This should scale much better into the late game though.
Oh, yeah. |
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| LoLAdriankat United States. October 01 2012 02:37. Posts 3632 | Profile Blog # |
| The next 2 or so months will be fun to watch. I want to see if Alchemist will actually be respect banned against certain teams in CM, lol. |
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| evilfatsh1t Korea (South). October 01 2012 02:37. Posts 850 | Profile # |
well the current metagame is gonna fade out
gonna revert back to hardcore ganking from europeans and turtling for 50mins to farm up medusa from the chinese
i love this patch |
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| Imbajoe United States. October 01 2012 02:40. Posts 443 | Profile # |
this is huge
i don't even want to guess on the implications this has on pro dota but I can't wait to see it
hopefully we get a parity patch this week |
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| [17]Purple United Kingdom. October 01 2012 02:51. Posts 1867 | Profile # |
| edit: wrong thread Last edit: 2012-10-01 02:52:10 |
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| CustomKal Canada. October 01 2012 02:54. Posts 432 | Profile # |
On October 01 2012 02:31 hunts wrote:
Show nested quote +On October 01 2012 02:27 MrCon wrote:
On October 01 2012 02:26 hunts wrote:lvl death only 20% of max hp No more taking over half of someones HP bar with a lvl death in the early lvls The no lvl limit on eating creeps looks pretty amazing though.
The 20% of max HP is the bonus part
I know. Just saying that at lower levels the bonus 250 is much more than 20%. This should scale much better into the late game though.
Except that the damage of the initial is buffed. So its basically evened out at lower life percents now.
Either way I'm going to have so much fun giving my friend chilling touch at lvl 1 when he plays sf. Easiest souls of his life.Last edit: 2012-10-01 02:58:14 |
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 TheYango United States. October 01 2012 02:55. Posts 15721 | Profile # |
On September 30 2012 21:00 Fancy. wrote:
Show nested quote +On September 30 2012 20:48 Nevuk wrote:
On September 30 2012 20:05 rabidch wrote:
On September 30 2012 20:00 TheYango wrote:
On September 30 2012 19:56 rabidch wrote:
On September 30 2012 19:46 Unleashing wrote:
On September 30 2012 19:37 Nevuk wrote:
Orb of venom on spectre is amazing, especially early game. Ult into 12% slow on the entire enemy team. Combine that with the desolate buff there are possibly more early game uses of her. Necrolyte's sadist change is by far my favorite change in a long time.
Not really, i've never seen anyone note-worthy go OoV on spectre in a competitive game, because it's not really good, she has plenty of slow already and plenty of chase-ability as well.
actually they probably didnt know about it at the time people played spectre in competitive games
OoV on illusions is also bugged in DotA 2 right now such that they apply the real OoV buff rather than a fake buff like they do in DotA 1. That said, Spec's early game itemization is already pretty over-stocked that it's questionable whether ditching any of them would be worth the gain of OoV, even on an illusion hero. Typically you'll have something like: Stout/PMS, Wand, Boots, TP, Regen item, Stats/HP item You can't ditch the Stout or Regen item because you need them to actually be able to lane. You obviously can't ditch Boots or TP. The Stats/HP item is typically much bigger and much more relevant to your ability to contribute to a fight than the OoV would be (e.g. Janggo or Vit Booster), so you're not ditching that. You could ditch the wand, but it's questionable whether what the OoV gives you is better than what you'd get from a Stick/Wand.
tranquil boots, problem solved =P. oov pickup is only 275 gold now anyway.
Yeah, tranquil also gives the illusions high enough movespeed to get off at least the first hit unless the spectre herself has been damaged and the cheaper OoV makes it more viable. OoV is practically a totally different item in dota 2 though, as it's not a buff placer and is an orb instead. Going tranquil - pms - oov makes her level 6 ult have a noticeable presence in a teamfight even if desolate isn't being used or without the real spectre being present. There's a difference between her dagger slow (which sucks in dota 2 due to the pathing of it) hitting multiple people and getting a guaranteed 12% ms slow on the entire opposing team. Also venge's agi gain is at agi carry levels and her str gain is still quite good. Maybe we'll see her used as a carry by people on occasion again?
Afaik the only Orb-Effect that works on illusions is Diffusial Blade on a melee hero or did i miss something about OoV?
It's a bug in DotA 2 that illusions get OoV right now. Not a high priority fix because the item needs the help anyway, but has been acknowledged.
TBH I think it's more applicable on PL than on Spec.
On September 30 2012 21:30 Yoshi- wrote:
Show nested quote +On September 30 2012 21:28 flamewheel wrote:
On September 30 2012 21:19 Onioncookie wrote:
Wow cant believe you guys didnt see this ...
WARDS 150G
Two people have already posted on that. I'm sure many more have noticed.
On September 30 2012 21:22 Yoshi- wrote:
Since randiance now deals more damage, it triggers sticky napalm
This is a blatantly false statement. All damage from Batrider's attacks, items and skills is amplified, except for damage from Radiance.
If you have no clue how sticky napalm is coded, don't even attempt talking about it. Sticky napalm amplifies damage that is more than 33. Old radiance only dealt 30, new radiance deals 33.75. So New radiance gets amplified
If Icefrog didn't have the foresight to change the triggering damage for Batrider's Napalm, he's going to fix it in 6.75b.
On October 01 2012 02:54 CustomKal wrote:
Show nested quote +On October 01 2012 02:31 hunts wrote:
On October 01 2012 02:27 MrCon wrote:
On October 01 2012 02:26 hunts wrote:lvl death only 20% of max hp No more taking over half of someones HP bar with a lvl death in the early lvls The no lvl limit on eating creeps looks pretty amazing though.
The 20% of max HP is the bonus part
I know. Just saying that at lower levels the bonus 250 is much more than 20%. This should scale much better into the late game though.
Except that the damage of the initial is buffed. So its basically evened out at lower life percents now. Either way I'm going to have so much fun giving my friend chilling touch at lvl 1 when he plays sf. Easiest souls of his life.
The initial damage got buffed by 25. That's not enough to make up for the difference between 275 bonus damage and 20% max HP at low levels.
Granted the other thing to keep in mind is that being able to have a hard camp creep's ability pre-6 is a massive boost to your burst damage at level 6.
Also, Chilling Touch is only 2 instances with a 50 second CD at rank 1, lol. It's more a usability fix of allowing someone to get rid of the AS debuff on creeps if they don't want it. The lower ranks are weak enough that it's really not worth giving up Cold Feet ranks for.Last edit: 2012-10-01 03:10:39 |
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| bOneSeven Romania. October 01 2012 03:13. Posts 589 | Profile Blog # |
| how the hell is lycan now supposed to jungle with 145 man costing 200 hp wolves ? O_O |
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