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On October 08 2012 11:06 Tarot wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2012 10:44 ktimekiller wrote:On October 08 2012 10:43 Tarot wrote:On October 08 2012 10:37 mlspmatt wrote:On October 08 2012 10:30 L_Master wrote:On October 08 2012 10:22 mlspmatt wrote:On October 08 2012 10:16 L_Master wrote:On October 08 2012 09:59 mlspmatt wrote:On October 08 2012 09:56 Seldentar wrote:On October 08 2012 09:14 L_Master wrote: [quote] Exactly, calling someone fat CAN be used as an insult but it can also be used as a description. The context should determine which meaning is intended. I hate when people assume calling someone fat always means you're insulting them sldmalmcl;amdmopmdow;mlfld, >.< I have no idea where calling someone FAT, a person you do not know personally, is not an insult. I can't even think up a context that wouldn't be insulting. This dives into it again. If you're talking about walking up to someone unsolicited and telling someone "you're fat"...yea that's rude. But not because your calling them fat per se, it's just not sociably acceptable to point out negative aspects of a person to them if you don't know them. It would be the same if you called them obese, big, a smoker, filthy, ugly, awkward, etc. But to describe a person to another person as "fat" is perfectly reasonable. If I told was trying to point someone out to my friend and were to identifier him/her as the "fat" person over there third table from the left...that isn't insulting in the slightest in my view. IF you feel it is, then what word would you choose that I use in it's place to describe the person? Well then your view is ridiculous. You could easily say : the blond, third from the left, about 200lbs. All of those statements are accurate. Fat is a label, a negative one. If it wasn't negative you could easily say it to someone without them being upset or taking it poorly. That you wouldn't say it to someones face speaks volumes. Because I know their is a chance they will take it in a negative light. Fat is inherently no different than any other common word used to describe someone (tall, skinny, short, lean, athletic, light, etc.) and there is no reason for it to be insulting. Do you not see what I am driving at? People aren't insulted at the word fat, its the fact that your pointing out this physical characteristic. Do you really believe a person would be any less offended if instead of saying the "fat women over there" you said the "200lbs woman over there". No chance. People's weight is becoming something that is socially unacceptable to discuss. I don't believe this is a good thing at all. I see exactly what you are driving at. And there have been many discussions on these forms about other words such as "Nigger" and "Spick", and all sorts of words that have no inherent meaning, to some people. But to other people they are very hurtful and mean a great deal. Whether or not YOU have a problem calling people FAT is fine, you can call people whatever you want. but for a lot of people it is hurtful. So whether or not you think so, common human decency says to not use words that other people might find offensive, regardless of what you think about them. Then what is the non-derogatory yet unambiguous term (i.e. African American and Latin American) for 'fat'? big boned Somehow I feel that's a bit disingenuous Show nested quote +On October 08 2012 10:58 fortheGG wrote:On October 08 2012 10:47 BeanerBurrito wrote:On October 08 2012 10:44 Risen wrote:On October 08 2012 10:42 BeanerBurrito wrote: This thread has taught me that a lot of skinny people talk about fat people the same way rich people talk about poor people
"You're just poor because you're stupid, lazy, and won't get a job, stop smelling up my rich person air, it's setting a bad example for the children"
Except being rich and being poor is driven by context. There will always be those who are rich/poor so long as wealth is not distributed evenly. There need not always be obese people. Your analogy is horrible. The attitude is exactly the same, It's like people think insulting fat people on the internet is going to suddenly cure the scourge that occupies this earth known as the fatties, they used to be people, but ever since they got fat, they are now simply bad pieces of meat that should be ostracized until they know exactly how bad of a thing they are doing! Its not. Poverty (relative or absolute) can be based on factors outside people's control. Weight can easily be controlled so its basically a matter of will power. Looking down on fat people is simply a product of this, as I doubt anyone would insult someone who has a medical condition or is unable to afford a healthier lifestyle. I have sympathy for those who were raised by shit parents so they end up being fat because that's how they were raised. It's much more difficult for those to change than those who were raised skinny. But this still goes back to the issue where being called fat is becoming more and more taboo, and it's becoming 'normal', which basically screws over future generations even more.
I didn't realize calling people fat was such a deterrent to people being fat. If we just unleashed the word "FAT" people would lose weight from the shame of being called fat. OK ....
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On October 08 2012 10:50 Synapze wrote: I fucking lost it when they said she has a medical condition "thyroid problem".
As a person who ACTUALLY works out and eats healthy and makes good decisions, this is disgusting. People think they are fat because of a condition? No.
Being skinny, lean and muscular is a lifelong commitment and one you have to fight for EVERY day.
A thyroid problem is something that can affect your weight adversely. It affects your metabolism and other things you have no control over. My aunt suffers from hypothyroidism and she is pretty tubby. She's not nearly as tubby as that lady but she does not look as active as she actually is. She's a big Robb Wolf nut, and she's been on a strict paleo diet for years, uses fitday to track her calories, lifts weights (squats/deadlifts) and is fit aerobically (Tennis and jogging). Her figure is closer to that woman's than say a gymnast's. Sometimes a fat person is a lot more fit than she looks. Oh and that anchor lady should be fired or suspended (And whoever else was involved) for airing that.
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On October 08 2012 11:06 Tarot wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2012 10:44 ktimekiller wrote:On October 08 2012 10:43 Tarot wrote:On October 08 2012 10:37 mlspmatt wrote:On October 08 2012 10:30 L_Master wrote:On October 08 2012 10:22 mlspmatt wrote:On October 08 2012 10:16 L_Master wrote:On October 08 2012 09:59 mlspmatt wrote:On October 08 2012 09:56 Seldentar wrote:On October 08 2012 09:14 L_Master wrote: [quote] Exactly, calling someone fat CAN be used as an insult but it can also be used as a description. The context should determine which meaning is intended. I hate when people assume calling someone fat always means you're insulting them sldmalmcl;amdmopmdow;mlfld, >.< I have no idea where calling someone FAT, a person you do not know personally, is not an insult. I can't even think up a context that wouldn't be insulting. This dives into it again. If you're talking about walking up to someone unsolicited and telling someone "you're fat"...yea that's rude. But not because your calling them fat per se, it's just not sociably acceptable to point out negative aspects of a person to them if you don't know them. It would be the same if you called them obese, big, a smoker, filthy, ugly, awkward, etc. But to describe a person to another person as "fat" is perfectly reasonable. If I told was trying to point someone out to my friend and were to identifier him/her as the "fat" person over there third table from the left...that isn't insulting in the slightest in my view. IF you feel it is, then what word would you choose that I use in it's place to describe the person? Well then your view is ridiculous. You could easily say : the blond, third from the left, about 200lbs. All of those statements are accurate. Fat is a label, a negative one. If it wasn't negative you could easily say it to someone without them being upset or taking it poorly. That you wouldn't say it to someones face speaks volumes. Because I know their is a chance they will take it in a negative light. Fat is inherently no different than any other common word used to describe someone (tall, skinny, short, lean, athletic, light, etc.) and there is no reason for it to be insulting. Do you not see what I am driving at? People aren't insulted at the word fat, its the fact that your pointing out this physical characteristic. Do you really believe a person would be any less offended if instead of saying the "fat women over there" you said the "200lbs woman over there". No chance. People's weight is becoming something that is socially unacceptable to discuss. I don't believe this is a good thing at all. I see exactly what you are driving at. And there have been many discussions on these forms about other words such as "Nigger" and "Spick", and all sorts of words that have no inherent meaning, to some people. But to other people they are very hurtful and mean a great deal. Whether or not YOU have a problem calling people FAT is fine, you can call people whatever you want. but for a lot of people it is hurtful. So whether or not you think so, common human decency says to not use words that other people might find offensive, regardless of what you think about them. Then what is the non-derogatory yet unambiguous term (i.e. African American and Latin American) for 'fat'? big boned Somehow I feel that's a bit disingenuous Show nested quote +On October 08 2012 10:58 fortheGG wrote:On October 08 2012 10:47 BeanerBurrito wrote:On October 08 2012 10:44 Risen wrote:On October 08 2012 10:42 BeanerBurrito wrote: This thread has taught me that a lot of skinny people talk about fat people the same way rich people talk about poor people
"You're just poor because you're stupid, lazy, and won't get a job, stop smelling up my rich person air, it's setting a bad example for the children"
Except being rich and being poor is driven by context. There will always be those who are rich/poor so long as wealth is not distributed evenly. There need not always be obese people. Your analogy is horrible. The attitude is exactly the same, It's like people think insulting fat people on the internet is going to suddenly cure the scourge that occupies this earth known as the fatties, they used to be people, but ever since they got fat, they are now simply bad pieces of meat that should be ostracized until they know exactly how bad of a thing they are doing! Its not. Poverty (relative or absolute) can be based on factors outside people's control. Weight can easily be controlled so its basically a matter of will power. Looking down on fat people is simply a product of this, as I doubt anyone would insult someone who has a medical condition or is unable to afford a healthier lifestyle. I have sympathy for those who were raised by shit parents so they end up being fat because that's how they were raised. It's much more difficult for those to change than those who were raised skinny. But this still goes back to the issue where being called fat is becoming more and more taboo, and it's becoming 'normal', which basically screws over future generations even more.
And yet it can still be done. Just look at the top post of the previous page.
Also, in response to people should be offering help not criticism. Criticism is help. Not everyone believes in, or has the time, to go find people easily accessed resources.
Google "how can I not be fat"
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I just hope all those folks who are railing on fat people here don't smoke, drink too much, and never do anything bad :D.
Holier than thou people disgust me, especially when they're hypocrites.
Edit: Fat people are everywhere, she happens to be on TV. How is she a role model? What kind of retarded thinking is that =_=. Ridiculous.
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On October 08 2012 10:39 Dknight wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2012 09:12 Drowsy wrote: I don't mind this alleged "bullying" and mocking her for being fat. HOWEVER, she's a fucking newscaster. What's this retardation about her setting an example or being a role-model? She reports the god damn news... People in these kinds of positions are perfectly allowed to have personal character flaws just like everyone else. She's not fucking Mr. Rogers or that guy from Blues Clues. Her being fat is no different from a newscaster being a smoker or doing mild recreational drugs or not returning library books or occasionally visiting prostitutes or something. It is entirely different if only because you can tell that she is fat by looking at her whereas you cannot know if someone does recreational drugs on the weekend. If you're going to use an analogy, at least pick an appropriate one that makes some kind of sense. Show nested quote +On October 08 2012 10:37 mlspmatt wrote: I see exactly what you are driving at. And there have been many discussions on these forms about other words such as "Nigger" and "Spick", and all sorts of words that have no inherent meaning, to some people. But to other people they are very hurtful and mean a great deal.
Whether or not YOU have a problem calling people FAT is fine, you can call people whatever you want. but for a lot of people it is hurtful. So whether or not you think so, common human decency says to not use words that other people might find offensive, regardless of what you think about them. The difference in using racially loaded words is that people have no control over their race or ethnicity. That's why hate crimes are punished so much more severely than other crimes: people are victimized for things out of their own control. It's different with obesity. The majority of individuals who are obese only have themselves to blame and their poor diets, lack of exercise, and weak self control.
Being fat is ultimately caused by a character flaw. We all have them and some don't manifest externally. She's only a news anchor and not a preacher or a public figure who people ACTUALLY seek to emulate, therefore it should be very easy to overlook flaws like that.
Remember Peter Jennings? It was a big deal he smoked, but people mostly didn't give a shit and it was known but not talked about. He didn't get his panties in a bunch and go on air and defend his habits every time somebody wrote him a nasty letter, he just carried the fuck on and reported the news because he wasn't a dumb ass.
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On October 08 2012 10:56 mlspmatt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2012 10:50 Synapze wrote: I fucking lost it when they said she has a medical condition "thyroid problem".
As a person who ACTUALLY works out and eats healthy and makes good decisions, this is disgusting. People think they are fat because of a condition? No.
Being skinny, lean and muscular is a lifelong commitment and one you have to fight for EVERY day. You are , you are superior. You are a better person than the fat people. Congratulations. I don't know how old you are, I'm assuming you're 25 and under. Correct me if I am wrong. Yes, going to the gym is pretty easy when you are young. However, things change as you get older. Most Moms get up before 7 to get the kids ready for school. They make them breakfast, get them dressed, and barely have time to get breakfast themselves before getting ready for work themselves. Then they go to work for eight hours, only to come home and get the kids dinner, maybe spend some time with them after dinner, then maybe have some time to spend with the husband. Then they help the kids with homework. By the time the kids are in bed it's late and MOM is exhausted. Not to mention she had work to do until 12 from work. It's very easy to not find time for the gym for many Moms, and making great health choices gets lost in the clutter of taking care of kids, the husband, and work. I'd suggest walking a few days in these Moms shoes before bitching about the gym.
I (hope) people aren't saying fat people are lazy or too weak to do it. Sure, there are definitely some people that are fat and just too lazy to worry about it. I bet they are the vast minority though.
For many people, its just like you described. Not easy.
That said, it does somewhat come down to how important is it to you. If it's extremely important you will end up finding time and motivation for it. There are elite/sub-elite runners out there running 150+ miles per week under the exact same conditions you described. It's possible for almost everyone, and it's actually pretty easy to fit in 30 minutes of exercise into ones day. What's not easy at all is finding the motivation for it under the stress, burdens, and challenges of life that you aptly described.
You actually still can lose weight though even if you aren't exercising and eating complete shit. A person can eat Twinkies all day and lose weight provided their calories in are less than their calories out.
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On October 08 2012 11:08 lannisport wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2012 10:50 Synapze wrote: I fucking lost it when they said she has a medical condition "thyroid problem".
As a person who ACTUALLY works out and eats healthy and makes good decisions, this is disgusting. People think they are fat because of a condition? No.
Being skinny, lean and muscular is a lifelong commitment and one you have to fight for EVERY day. A thyroid problem is something that can affect your weight adversely. It affects your metabolism and other things you have no control over. My aunt suffers from hypothyroidism and she is pretty tubby. She's not nearly as tubby as that lady but she does not look as active as she actually is. She's a big Robb Wolf nut, and she's been on a strict paleo diet for years, uses fitday to track her calories, lifts weights (squats/deadlifts) and is fit aerobically (Tennis and jogging). Her figure is closer to that woman's than say a gymnast's. Sometimes a fat person is a lot more fit than she looks. Oh and that anchor lady should be fired or suspended (And whoever else was involved) for airing that.
Issues like that affect very, very few people, though.
Edit: and muscular is not the opposite of fat. Skinny is. Being skinny is easy, being muscular is not.
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I have sympathy for those who were raised by shit parents so they end up being fat because that's how they were raised. It's much more difficult for those to change than those who were raised skinny.
Don't get me started of this. This type of parenting is the epitome of negligence, and childhood obesity is truly a horrible thing. When you raise fat kids your negatively impacting their lives in a myriad of ways and helping them develop patterns that will only make the problem that much harder to fix when they are old enough to understand the situation and be aware of how to deal with it.
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On October 08 2012 10:51 BeanerBurrito wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2012 10:49 Risen wrote:On October 08 2012 10:47 BeanerBurrito wrote:On October 08 2012 10:44 Risen wrote:On October 08 2012 10:42 BeanerBurrito wrote: This thread has taught me that a lot of skinny people talk about fat people the same way rich people talk about poor people
"You're just poor because you're stupid, lazy, and won't get a job, stop smelling up my rich person air, it's setting a bad example for the children"
Except being rich and being poor is driven by context. There will always be those who are rich/poor so long as wealth is not distributed evenly. There need not always be obese people. Your analogy is horrible. The attitude is exactly the same, It's like people think insulting fat people on the internet is going to suddenly cure the scourge that occupies this earth known as the fatties, they used to be people, but ever since they got fat, they are now simply bad pieces of meat that should be ostracized until they know exactly how bad of a thing they are doing! Again, not the same. You can control being fat. Your being fat proves you do not value your health over the pleasure of eating. You do not control being black. And again, by insulting fat people and wanting to increase the amount that fat people should be insulted, are you helping them to be skinny? Barely anyone in this thread has commented on any ways of spreading a healthier lifestyle or getting rid of the amount of bad foods that are out there, they have simply said "I want to insult fat people, and no one should have a problem with it because fat people are somehow less of a person than I am, I should be able to use any word i want to make fun of the fatties without people getting mad." Show nested quote +On October 08 2012 10:50 Synapze wrote: I fucking lost it when they said she has a medical condition "thyroid problem".
As a person who ACTUALLY works out and eats healthy and makes good decisions, this is disgusting. People think they are fat because of a condition? No.
Being skinny, lean and muscular is a lifelong commitment and one you have to fight for EVERY day. I've heard that said, and i've also heard "losing weight and being thin isn't hard, the fatties are just lazy and won't do it" So which is it? So fat people really need some one to tell them how to be not fat and to have a personal cheerleader to not be fat?
It's really not that hard more calories than you use eaten=fat. How can people not understand this... Just put down the fork or exercise. There's like .01% of people who have a genuine medical condition everyone else is just lazy or don't care about their own body which is disgusting.
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On October 08 2012 11:10 Djzapz wrote: I just hope all those folks who are railing on fat people here don't smoke, drink too much, and never do anything bad :D.
Holier than thou people disgust me, especially when they're hypocrites.
Edit: Fat people are everywhere, she happens to be on TV. How is she a role model? What kind of retarded thinking is that =_=. Ridiculous. lol so you really think that having a few beers is as bad for you as being severely overweight...
I wish fat was on the same level as smoking in school. You get anti smoking propaganda and it is just as bad for you as being overweight so why can't there be pro excercise/healthy eating propagana...?
It's insane to me that there is a Fat Acceptance Group like seriously wtf
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On October 08 2012 11:33 tokicheese wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2012 11:10 Djzapz wrote: I just hope all those folks who are railing on fat people here don't smoke, drink too much, and never do anything bad :D.
Holier than thou people disgust me, especially when they're hypocrites.
Edit: Fat people are everywhere, she happens to be on TV. How is she a role model? What kind of retarded thinking is that =_=. Ridiculous. lol so you really think that having a few beers is as bad for you as being severely overweight... I wish fat was on the same level as smoking in school. You get anti smoking propaganda and it is just as bad for you as being overweight so why can't there be pro excercise/healthy eating propagana...? It's insane to me that there is a Fat Acceptance Group like seriously wtf I don't know how you translated "drinking too much" to "having a few beers" but I suppose you can make words say whatever the hell you want if that's what you're into.
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On October 08 2012 09:40 mlspmatt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2012 09:22 TrippSC2 wrote:On October 08 2012 09:08 triforks wrote:On October 08 2012 09:05 TrippSC2 wrote: This is coming from someone who is not in great shape and could stand to lose a lot of weight; there was nothing out of line about what that man said!
If she's aware of the problem (which she acknowledges on camera) then why is it a problem for him to point it out, especially with his stated motivation being the influence that it sets for others. I see nothing wrong with voicing a concern in this manner. The truth hurts. You have be adult enough to deal with it.
My biggest problem with this whole thing is that the anchor has been championed as "standing up against bullying" because she can't take valid, accurate, and relevant criticism simply because it's unpleasant to hear. That to me is ridiculous. because shes already aware. she doesnt need him to tell her shes fat to know she has a problem. My point about her being aware of the issue was along the lines of establishing the accuracy of what he said. Aware of it and ignoring it is all the more reason to send a message like this in hopes of motivating real change. This is where the disconnect usually happens between a lot of people on subjects like this. In my opinion, your feelings are relevant to you alone!! If someone points out something to you (especially in this case with concern for the community at large), why should your feelings play any role in whether it is acceptable or not. The real world is harsh. Deal with it and grow up! The same general principle applies to "bullying." Once you become an adult, bullying isn't a thing. You should be mature and stable enough to be able to deal with negative comments, etc. Edit: To be clear, I don't agree with the guy's concerns. I'm simply arguing his right to make the criticism. According to this guy, ANY PERSON who is over weight cannot be in the public eye because they are setting a bad example for children. School teachers are no longer suitable if they are over weight. What about parents? Can you have kids if you are over weight? The children WILL notice your weight. You can see the absurdity of what he is saying. If being over weight sets a bad example for children, then to what extent do we remove people who are over weight from being around children? The woman is a news caster. her weight has NOTHING to do with that. Sure, if she were a fire fighter and had to save peoples lives there might be an issue, but you don't need to be in great physical shape to read and move your lips. This guy had good intentions but his execution was way off. And yes the woman over reacted, but being told you are not fit to be on TV because of your physical shape due to it's influence on children is a bit over the top. And anybody is entitled to criticize someone, and the person being criticized is entitled to defend themselves. What his opinion is and whether you or I agree with it isn't really relevant to the point I was making.
The point is that we can't just brush off anything that anyone says that hurts our feelings as "bullying." The majority reaction to this is that what this man did constitutes "bullying," which I vehemently disagree with.
For the record, I don't think there is anything wrong with overweight people being in a public facing job, but I also don't have a problem with people having visible tattoos or piercings in public facing jobs. I simply don't care.
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There's like .01% of people who have a genuine medical condition everyone else is just lazy or don't care about their own body which is disgusting.
First, you missed another VERY common possibility: they don't know why they are fat, or more likely they don't know how to lose weight.
Second, and more importantly: "fat people are lazy or don't care about their body"
Wtf?
Let me quote you to an earlier posted scenario:
I don't know how old you are, I'm assuming you're 25 and under. Correct me if I am wrong. Yes, going to the gym is pretty easy when you are young. However, things change as you get older.
Most Moms get up before 7 to get the kids ready for school. They make them breakfast, get them dressed, and barely have time to get breakfast themselves before getting ready for work themselves. Then they go to work for eight hours, only to come home and get the kids dinner, maybe spend some time with them after dinner, then maybe have some time to spend with the husband. Then they help the kids with homework. By the time the kids are in bed it's late and MOM is exhausted. Not to mention she had work to do until 12 from work.
It's very easy to not find time for the gym for many Moms, and making great health choices gets lost in the clutter of taking care of kids, the husband, and work.
Plenty of people have situations like this. They aren't lazy, they are swamped in life.
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Ban fat people from TV, rite guys? Wait no... all media. Seige Tanks make me want to go eat McDonalds. Fucking role-models.
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And they can't eat less, why? In a google world not knowing why you're fat/how to lose it is less likely than a thyroid issue.
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On October 08 2012 12:11 On_Slaught wrote: Ban fat people from TV, rite guys? Wait no... all media. Seige Tanks make me want to go eat McDonalds. Fucking role-models.
So nice too see you blow something way out of proportion
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On October 08 2012 11:38 L_Master wrote:Show nested quote +There's like .01% of people who have a genuine medical condition everyone else is just lazy or don't care about their own body which is disgusting. First, you missed another VERY common possibility: they don't know why they are fat, or more likely they don't know how to lose weight. Second, and more importantly: Wtf? Let me quote you to an earlier posted scenario: Show nested quote +I don't know how old you are, I'm assuming you're 25 and under. Correct me if I am wrong. Yes, going to the gym is pretty easy when you are young. However, things change as you get older.
Most Moms get up before 7 to get the kids ready for school. They make them breakfast, get them dressed, and barely have time to get breakfast themselves before getting ready for work themselves. Then they go to work for eight hours, only to come home and get the kids dinner, maybe spend some time with them after dinner, then maybe have some time to spend with the husband. Then they help the kids with homework. By the time the kids are in bed it's late and MOM is exhausted. Not to mention she had work to do until 12 from work.
It's very easy to not find time for the gym for many Moms, and making great health choices gets lost in the clutter of taking care of kids, the husband, and work. Plenty of people have situations like this. They aren't lazy, they are swamped in life.
I dunno if I buy this point. The lifestyle that is described by the poster seems to me to be sufficient at expending a daily caloric intake from a healthy, balanced diet. Mothers like that who are still significantly overweight are taking in more calories than they need, likely from highly sugary/fatty foods which they use as comforts from their hectic schedule. While this is not a crime, it will lead to an overweight body if indulged in frequently.
It seems to me that most overweight people have one reason why they are overweight: they don't make sufficient preparations in their diet to ensure a healthy caloric intake. Whether this is due to ignorance, apathy, lazyness or all three, I don't feel much sympathy. If someone allows their body to become obese they shouldn't expect me to find them attractive or support their lifestyle choices. On a personal level, I will always treat them with the same level of respect and kindness as anyone else, but I am naturally turned off to what their overweight-ness signifies about their approach to life.
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So much jejune libertarianism. The assumption that overweight people are "just lazy" is bordering on dogma at this point, something you keep telling yourself so you can feel better than other people for not being fat. You know, poor people are statistically much more likely than rich people to be obese. I wonder why that is? Oh right, it must just be that they're so lazy.
Like seriously, there are people in this thread saying poor people have no excuse not to go to the gym because their company will reimburse them for it. Talk about being privileged and ignorant. Tens of millions of people in the States alone are working jobs where they'd kill just to get some basic health care coverage, let alone gym reimbursement. There are people that don't live within twenty miles of a gym, that don't have cars and can't get to a gym, that can't afford a gym. Going to the gym is a privilege; the entitled hypocrites in this thread are too oblivious to even realize that.
That's the problem with this whole libertarian line of thinking - everyone just wants to keep saying "They could be thin if they really had the will to!" The accountability is always on the individual. No one wants to talk about the social or biological factors that cause people to wind up overweight, because then it's revealed that they didn't suffer from factors like poverty, parental neglect or depression. Then they have to talk about how privileged they were. Then they lose their grounds of superiority, they realize that it could have been them if they were just in different circumstances.
Which is kind of the mature realization to make about pretty much every judgment of character. Listening to privileged, rich white college kids scoff and pshaw at fat people for just being so lazy is more than my stomach can take.
On October 08 2012 12:15 Dali. wrote: On a personal level, I will always treat them with the same level of respect and kindness as anyone else, but I am naturally turned off to what their overweight-ness signifies about their approach to life. This is you wearing your biases on your sleeve, that you view someone's diet as part of a minmaxing schema for their "approach to life." Try thinking about the guy whose approach to life is "I work 60-hour weeks, get no benefits, live in a shit neighborhood, and I'm just trying to make it through the fucking day."
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On October 08 2012 12:19 Zoomacroom wrote: So much jejune libertarianism. The assumption that overweight people are "just lazy" is bordering on dogma at this point, something you keep telling yourself so you can feel better than other people for not being fat. You know, poor people are statistically much more likely than rich people to be obese. I wonder why that is? Oh right, it must just be that they're so lazy.
Like seriously, there are people in this thread saying poor people have no excuse not to go to the gym because their company will reimburse them for it. Talk about being privileged and ignorant. Tens of millions of people in the States alone are working jobs where they'd kill just to get some basic health care coverage, let alone gym reimbursement. There are people that don't live within twenty miles of a gym, that don't have cars and can't get to a gym, that can't afford a gym. Going to the gym is a privilege; the entitled hypocrites in this thread are too oblivious to even realize that.
That's the problem with this whole libertarian line of thinking - everyone just wants to keep saying "They could be thin if they really had the will to!" The accountability is always on the individual. No one wants to talk about the social or biological factors that cause people to wind up overweight, because then it's revealed that they didn't suffer from factors like poverty, parental neglect or depression. Then they have to talk about how privileged they were. Then they lose their grounds of superiority, they realize that it could have been them if they were just in different circumstances.
Which is kind of the mature realization to make about pretty much every judgment of character. Listening to privileged, rich white college kids scoff and pshaw at fat people for just being so lazy is more than my stomach can take.
The ignorance oozes from this post lol. You didn't actually read the thread did you
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Agree with OP 100%, can't really say anything better than you did. Thanks for this read, never knew. Think I'll send an email
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