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I enjoy how you take yourself only slightly more seriously than you take Your Mom. :D
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Hello nooblords.
I have 40 pages to catch up on Back in a bit.
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Bah. I don't think I'm going to have enough time to finish reading the thread and be able to have some discussion before the day ends. Only on page 63, which is before this marv wagon even started. Reading through his filter, I'm pretty convinced he isn't scum, though. Read through his filter, and compare it with his scum games. He actually cares about getting people's opinions this game (and everyone, not just the vets). Scum marv doesn't care what your opinion on JoeBlow is, he just wants to convince you that his opinion of JohnDoe is correct.
I don't think we should be killing marv today.
Still not sure who I would want to lynch though. Back to reading.
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On January 05 2013 05:04 iamperfection wrote: Keir im from my phone who did you replace? Adam
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On January 05 2013 05:14 yamato77 wrote: So this is exactly what I thought was going to happen when I went to sleep.
Palmar got his head out if his ass and now looks like town Palmar. Even Marv cannot deny that at this point. BC looks scummy for saying otherwise.
By extension this makes me see Marv as more likely to be scum. I don't give a shit about meta on Marv because he is a good enough player to change it, but I do care that his strongest scum read, and indeed the only person he has really tried to push a lynch on, is actually town. Palmar gave the reason that Marv changing his read from null to scum while Palmar is trolling, and this is somewhat indicative of my thoughts on the matter. It was after I pointed out that Palmar wasn't taking the game seriously like he did when I saw town Palmar that Marv decides to attack that angle of his play and vote for him. It worked, I sheeped it, because it was right. However Marv hadn't given any indication before this point that he wanted to lynch Palmar for what he was doing. He had said it was all not alignment indicative.
Not to mention that town Marv doesn't get lynched. He said soi himself before the very first game I played with him. Town Marv would never be in this position because by now people would actually have a town read on him. He hasn't done anything to give me that sense of his intentions this game which makes me all the more comfortable with switching my vote off of Palmar and onto Marv.
Sorry Marv, but if you're town you haven't done a good job proving it to me.
##Unvote ##Vote: Marvellosity Holy fuck this post is terrible. You are grasping at straws to justify your vote.
1) Marv is still meta-able. It has been done and quite successfully.
2) So, marv made a case, which was convincing enough for you to vote Palmar. And now that case makes marv scum? I don't really get that jump in logic.
3) Town marv was the leading lynch candidate until 2 hours before hte deadline in Paranoia. Stop making up facts to fit your vote.
Also another post of yours that I didn't like:
On January 03 2013 23:20 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 16:18 thrawn2112 wrote:hi yamato On January 03 2013 08:44 yamato77 wrote:On January 03 2013 08:41 iamperfection wrote:On January 03 2013 08:40 yamato77 wrote: Outspoken player =/= scum. Palmar is overly active and has good reasons for the policy lynch.
Marv you know better so you starting this Palmar is scum stuff is fishy. what good reasons I agree that Bugs can get in the way of scumhunt when he is town and when scum is possibly highly difficult to catch. Basically the definition of a policy lynch. Complete coin flip. I'm not saying lynch Bugs but I can see where Palmar is coming from. I don't see where a town palmar could *seriously* be coming from. I can see where he'd be coming from if the purpose is to start discussion but the idea that he could have a legitimate reason to policy lynch someone like wbg is crazy. yamato you are saying palmar's 'policy vote' makes palmar more likely to be town? On January 03 2013 09:37 yamato77 wrote: If your town meta is being a dick to other townies then you should rethink how you play this game.
Hopeless has been a zero presence poster. His only contribution is to tell other people that they are wasting time. He is worthy of my suspicion. the bolded part reads as "I'm having to fake my scumreads" Hi thrawn I think you'll see in both exchanges you picked posts out of more explanation for my actions that you seem to think is lacking. If you sincerely believe me scum you are wasting your time. Yours truly, Yamato <3 I've never seen a town yamato make a post like that. Town yamato gets outraged when people question him, not tried to downplay their thoughts.
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Also FWIW, I find it highly improbably based on anecdotal evidence that scum marv would make a case on a town Palmar (and even more unlikely that he would make the case on a scum teammate Palmar). There are just too many "easier" candidates to push, even with a trolly/whatever-you-want-to-call-it Palmar early. I'm much more inclined to believe that it was a town marv who honestly just found Palmar scummy at that point.
Also marv being wishy-washy and not very committal to anyone other than the case on Palmar I find to be a small town tell as well. He is much more decisive as scum, at least on day 1. His day 1 town play has multiple cases of him being like this.
I really don't think marv is a good lynch today.
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On January 05 2013 05:46 yamato77 wrote: bugs an keir scum team spouting nonsense about me being scum
you guys have zero insight into my play I have zero insight into your play? I seem to remember calling your town quite fervently in Parallel. I was right that time, wasn't I?
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On January 05 2013 05:46 Toadesstern wrote: I really think any kind of lynch between Marv / BC / Hopeless / maybe VE would be awesome right now.
But Palmars the man and he says it's Marv and not the other 3 guys, so Marv it is. If you're so comfortable with a marv lynch, then at least give me some discussions on my counter-points about marv. Maybe you think I'm terrible and my reasoning doesn't matter, but just humor me, k?
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On January 05 2013 05:54 Hopeless1der wrote: can the non-voters please drop a placeholder at least? djo,keir thrawn i think you guys are around I don't see any reason to drop a placeholder vote. I'm not going to get modkilled, and I'm not going to vote marv. I'll vote when people quit ignoring my posts and have some discussion with me.
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On January 05 2013 06:03 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 06:02 Keirathi wrote:On January 05 2013 05:54 Hopeless1der wrote: can the non-voters please drop a placeholder at least? djo,keir thrawn i think you guys are around I don't see any reason to drop a placeholder vote. I'm not going to get modkilled, and I'm not going to vote marv. I'll vote when people quit ignoring my posts and have some discussion with me. what do you think of Hopeless? Have you read the post I made on his play? To be completely honest though, I don't think marv will live today. No, I haven't gotten to it yet I guess. Link?
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On January 05 2013 06:04 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 06:03 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 05 2013 06:02 Keirathi wrote:On January 05 2013 05:54 Hopeless1der wrote: can the non-voters please drop a placeholder at least? djo,keir thrawn i think you guys are around I don't see any reason to drop a placeholder vote. I'm not going to get modkilled, and I'm not going to vote marv. I'll vote when people quit ignoring my posts and have some discussion with me. what do you think of Hopeless? Have you read the post I made on his play? To be completely honest though, I don't think marv will live today. No, I haven't gotten to it yet I guess. Link? EBWOP: Oh, you mean http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17423909 ?
Yea I read that. I haven't gone through his filter yet to corroborate your evidence though.
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On January 05 2013 06:07 yamato77 wrote: Keir I'm town. it should be obvious. you calling me scum when I vote for Marv based on reasons I have entirely of my own is dumb. I may be wrong but whatever, it's what I think and Marv is getting lynched I am very aware that you are quite often (read: always) wrong as town. Being scum forces you to be wrong quite often, as well, unless you want to constantly bus your teammates.
So, how should I decide if you being wrong is town or scum?
Its all based on the reasonings and attitude. And I think a few of your posts this game have had blatantly different mindsets than your posts in your other games. I'm a bit conflicted because some of your posts do have a similiar mindset, but its the outliers that I can't quite justify from a town yamato yet.
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On January 05 2013 06:12 Toadesstern wrote: Marv never did a case on Palmar. Marv pressure voted Palmar, rightfully so, It has nothing to do with Marv being wrong or right on Palmar though.
Does this not count as a case?
On January 04 2013 10:31 marvellosity wrote: I'm still pretty happy with my vote on Palmar, for reasons already given. There's nothing in what Palmar has done so far that suggests in the slightest that he gives a shit for town, and he should be one of the town leaders.
This is further exacerbated by a conversation I had with him on IRC a few days ago. We were just talking about his play a little, and I'd told him that a weakness in his play was that he often got caught up in thinking what a town player "should" do, and being wrong as being a scumtell. Shortly after he wrote this in a QT:
"Palmar 12-31-2012 08:39 PM ET (US)
I have a weakness in my game where I just think everyone that doesn't agree with me when I'm right is scum, and everyone who does is town. There is absolutely no reason for me to think Bugs is scum, only the fact he's been wrong all game long. That doesn't make him scum though."
And twice in this conversation on IRC, related to this, he said that Day 1 was his strongest day, because he's not encumbered with flips and this sense of right and wrong.
So his manner of play today makes this even more galling. This is supposedly his strongest day as town by some margin, and he's decided to use it by claiming scum 3 times, generally trolling, giving no reads, or at least no explanation for his reads. As far as I can see, he's banking on people viewing his retarded play as town somehow, even though there is literally nothing townie about it. Recently in his townplay he has been quite happy to tell people why he finds certain people town, and then when he decides someone is scummy, he gives good reasons why. Just none of it this game.
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bugs, your reaction to the claim is troubling.
On December 02 2012 07:27 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 06:52 marvellosity wrote:On December 02 2012 06:52 Blazinghand wrote: yeah a role PM would be nice marv
I do think Ace makes a reasonable case for why Marv's claim is bad and should be punished, but as a rule lynching blue claims D1 is bad. Sorry Ace. You are Jamie Hyneman. Your love of the scientific method makes it possible for you to find out how shit works. You've also got a cool collection of cameras and stuff, that you can totally use to track people. (Detective) LOL what kind of shit cop claims day 1? Of all people marv would know that this is a terrible idea as town. So, guess what? HE'S NOT TOWN!
Paranoia, as town, with a town amrv claiming cop.
Quite a different reaction here :o
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On January 05 2013 06:29 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 06:27 Keirathi wrote:bugs, your reaction to the claim is troubling. On December 02 2012 07:27 wherebugsgo wrote:On December 02 2012 06:52 marvellosity wrote:On December 02 2012 06:52 Blazinghand wrote: yeah a role PM would be nice marv
I do think Ace makes a reasonable case for why Marv's claim is bad and should be punished, but as a rule lynching blue claims D1 is bad. Sorry Ace. You are Jamie Hyneman. Your love of the scientific method makes it possible for you to find out how shit works. You've also got a cool collection of cameras and stuff, that you can totally use to track people. (Detective) LOL what kind of shit cop claims day 1? Of all people marv would know that this is a terrible idea as town. So, guess what? HE'S NOT TOWN! Paranoia, as town, with a town amrv claiming cop. Quite a different reaction here :o that game made me realize that townies claim like shit all the time. In the most recent game (yet another) morbidius claimed cop early d2 and I instantly believed him. The claim is alignment-null IMO. You believed morbidius because it was too stupid to be a scum claim. This claim isn't too stupid to be ascum claim, and is very similar to marv's claim in Paranoia :o
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I don't think marv is a good lynch today, especially after the claim. If he is cop, scum either have to give up KP to roleblock him, or use KP to kill him.
I'm not really convinced BC is scum either. But as the major counter-wagon to marv, I would consolidate onto him at the deadline if I need to to save marv.
For now I'm going to sheep bugs onto Hopeless. I like the case, and I don't feel like Hopeless is being particularly townie.
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On January 05 2013 06:41 grush57 wrote: Wait, Marv would of breadcrumbed. This is like last game. Is he scum? Does he breadcrumb early in his meta? Or at all? Marv didn't breadcrumb as cop day 1 in Paranoia iirc.
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On January 05 2013 06:44 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 06:42 Palmar wrote: This is a desperation claim, not to mention according to Ace logic that is always perfect, you should always lynch day 1 roleclaimers.
Don't unvote marv, kill that scummy bastard This game is not a normal game. If Marv is fakeclaiming, scum will take a severe blow by sacrificing KP. This is actually a good point. If marv is scum and fakeclaiming, then scum can't use their full 3 KP tonight. A scum team with a town marv as cop would 100% either kill marv or give up KP to roleblock him.
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Bah, just going to vote BC to make sure that marv doesn't get lynched.
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On January 05 2013 06:52 Palmar wrote: Seriously fuck this game.
Enjoy i'm not going to do fucking shit for the rest of it. You're gullible idiots. You were similarly convinced that bugs was scum in Hero, and he wasn't. I genuinely respect your abilities, but I don't think you are always right. And this time I disagree with you.
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