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HotS Balance Update #6 10/12/12 - Page 28

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 Warpish   October 16 2012 21:09. Posts 811
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Blizzard don't be afraid to bring the Firebat to HotS. The Hellbat or whatever you want to call it is not a mech unit. It plays just like a bio unit. A Medevac can heal an Hellbat but not an Hellion, there's absolutely no logic to this.
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 therockmanxx   Peru. October 16 2012 22:44. Posts 1104
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If they are making a game with diferents mechanics and units
Why they wanna use the same strategy
They can have a heavy mechanical army with infantry support or the other way and balance it !
Last edit: 2012-10-17 00:19:39
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 testthewest   Germany. October 17 2012 02:47. Posts 255
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On October 16 2012 21:09 Warpish wrote:
Blizzard don't be afraid to bring the Firebat to HotS. The Hellbat or whatever you want to call it is not a mech unit. It plays just like a bio unit. A Medevac can heal an Hellbat but not an Hellion, there's absolutely no logic to this.



Isn't stim require part of the "bio feeling"? Or are Hellbats stim-able?
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 Ry2D2   United States. October 17 2012 06:55. Posts 296
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Why do they remove evo chamber requirement? Capable zerg players should be capable of making an evo chamber before spore crawlers just like protosses need forge before cannon and terrans need Ebay before turrets. It's like all harass cloak rushes vZ are pointless now.
Why did they remove energize? Seemed like a fun and balanced concept to me.
Why call the battle hellion a hellbat? If you want a firebat in the game blizzard why would you remove it in the first place? *facepalm*
Good Tempest changes though. Carry on.
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 archon256   United States. October 17 2012 07:19. Posts 360
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On October 16 2012 21:09 Warpish wrote:
Blizzard don't be afraid to bring the Firebat to HotS. The Hellbat or whatever you want to call it is not a mech unit. It plays just like a bio unit.

Firebats can't transform.
Firebats come from the same building that Marines do.
Firebats can stim.
Firebats share upgrades with Marines, not tanks.
Firebats are not Hellbats.

Just because they're both units that can be healed by Medivacs and have AoE fire attacks doesn't mean they're the same unit.


On October 16 2012 21:09 Warpish wrote:
A Medevac can heal an Hellbat but not an Hellion, there's absolutely no logic to this.

Come now, surely you see that there are plenty of illogical things in SC2 (and SC1 for that matter).
Are you going to argue that SCVs should no longer be heal-able by Medivacs too?


On October 17 2012 06:55 Ry2D2 wrote:
Why do they remove evo chamber requirement? Capable zerg players should be capable of making an evo chamber before spore crawlers just like protosses need forge before cannon and terrans need Ebay before turrets. It's like all harass cloak rushes vZ are pointless now.


I kinda agree, but as you say, a capable Zerg would already have evo chambers out against cloaked rushes. This change won't affect a thing at the pro level for those builds, and I daresay it won't matter much in most of the higher leagues.


On October 17 2012 06:55 Ry2D2 wrote:
Why call the battle hellion a hellbat? If you want a firebat in the game blizzard why would you remove it in the first place?

See my above points.

p.s. Why are people so giddy about Firebats anyway? From what I recall the only time they'd be seen in BW games was when doing an early bust of a Zerg's sunken colony wall, and far from a staple unit in pro games. But from the responses it sounds like the "Hellbat" is a crime against a much-loved ol' favorite.
Last edit: 2012-10-17 07:25:46
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 Ramiz1989   October 17 2012 16:54. Posts 1281
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On October 17 2012 07:19 archon256 wrote:

Show nested quote +
On October 16 2012 21:09 Warpish wrote:
Blizzard don't be afraid to bring the Firebat to HotS. The Hellbat or whatever you want to call it is not a mech unit. It plays just like a bio unit.


Firebats can't transform.
Firebats come from the same building that Marines do.
Firebats can stim.
Firebats share upgrades with Marines, not tanks.
Firebats are not Hellbats.

Just because they're both units that can be healed by Medivacs and have AoE fire attacks doesn't mean they're the same unit.


Show nested quote +
On October 16 2012 21:09 Warpish wrote:
A Medevac can heal an Hellbat but not an Hellion, there's absolutely no logic to this.


Come now, surely you see that there are plenty of illogical things in SC2 (and SC1 for that matter).
Are you going to argue that SCVs should no longer be heal-able by Medivacs too?


Show nested quote +
On October 17 2012 06:55 Ry2D2 wrote:
Why do they remove evo chamber requirement? Capable zerg players should be capable of making an evo chamber before spore crawlers just like protosses need forge before cannon and terrans need Ebay before turrets. It's like all harass cloak rushes vZ are pointless now.


I kinda agree, but as you say, a capable Zerg would already have evo chambers out against cloaked rushes. This change won't affect a thing at the pro level for those builds, and I daresay it won't matter much in most of the higher leagues.


Show nested quote +
On October 17 2012 06:55 Ry2D2 wrote:
Why call the battle hellion a hellbat? If you want a firebat in the game blizzard why would you remove it in the first place?


See my above points.

p.s. Why are people so giddy about Firebats anyway? From what I recall the only time they'd be seen in BW games was when doing an early bust of a Zerg's sunken colony wall, and far from a staple unit in pro games. But from the responses it sounds like the "Hellbat" is a crime against a much-loved ol' favorite.

Completely agree with everything. It is funny that people actually whines about some things that don't make any sense, but ignore the others, and they are "fine". Hypocrisy at its best.
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 blade55555   United States. October 17 2012 16:59. Posts 14254
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On October 17 2012 06:55 Ry2D2 wrote:
Why do they remove evo chamber requirement? Capable zerg players should be capable of making an evo chamber before spore crawlers just like protosses need forge before cannon and terrans need Ebay before turrets. It's like all harass cloak rushes vZ are pointless now.
Why did they remove energize? Seemed like a fun and balanced concept to me.
Why call the battle hellion a hellbat? If you want a firebat in the game blizzard why would you remove it in the first place? *facepalm*
Good Tempest changes though. Carry on.

You would think of overlords all had detection like bw that cloak rushes would be pointless right? Wasn't that way at all and probably won't be pointless either with this change.
When I think of something else, something will go here
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 SarcasmMonster   October 17 2012 17:07. Posts 2907
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On October 17 2012 16:59 blade55555 wrote:

Show nested quote +
On October 17 2012 06:55 Ry2D2 wrote:
Why do they remove evo chamber requirement? Capable zerg players should be capable of making an evo chamber before spore crawlers just like protosses need forge before cannon and terrans need Ebay before turrets. It's like all harass cloak rushes vZ are pointless now.
Why did they remove energize? Seemed like a fun and balanced concept to me.
Why call the battle hellion a hellbat? If you want a firebat in the game blizzard why would you remove it in the first place? *facepalm*
Good Tempest changes though. Carry on.


You would think of overlords all had detection like bw that cloak rushes would be pointless right? Wasn't that way at all and probably won't be pointless either with this change.


There were no Banshees in BW. Rushing cloaked Wraiths isn't the same.

For , they had the Corsair which was much better at killing/zoning Overlords than Phoenixes. AKA Corsair/DT. Phoenix/DT isn't nearly as good even when Overlords don't come with free detection.

Not really comparable situations.
Last edit: 2012-10-17 17:09:05
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 Zaurus   Singapore. October 17 2012 17:13. Posts 676
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On October 17 2012 17:07 SarcasmMonster wrote:

Show nested quote +
On October 17 2012 16:59 blade55555 wrote:

On October 17 2012 06:55 Ry2D2 wrote:
Why do they remove evo chamber requirement? Capable zerg players should be capable of making an evo chamber before spore crawlers just like protosses need forge before cannon and terrans need Ebay before turrets. It's like all harass cloak rushes vZ are pointless now.
Why did they remove energize? Seemed like a fun and balanced concept to me.
Why call the battle hellion a hellbat? If you want a firebat in the game blizzard why would you remove it in the first place? *facepalm*
Good Tempest changes though. Carry on.

You would think of overlords all had detection like bw that cloak rushes would be pointless right? Wasn't that way at all and probably won't be pointless either with this change.



There were no Banshees in BW. Rushing cloaked Wraiths isn't the same.

For , they had the Corsair which was much better at killing/zoning Overlords than Phoenixes. AKA Corsair/DT. Phoenix/DT isn't nearly as good even when Overlords don't come with free detection.

Not really comparable situations.


It will be as powerful if Toss can defend with a reaver and a few cannons.
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 SarcasmMonster   October 18 2012 06:23. Posts 2907
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Are we going to get blue posts today or did we scare them too much with all the QQ today
MMA: The true King of Wings
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 SarcasmMonster   October 19 2012 10:15. Posts 2907
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StarCraft is not doomed. We quite love the game! We are working hard on Swarm and certainly keeping an eye on all community feedback. StarCraft has a long life ahead of its self.

This coming week you will be hearing from us a great deal on new features coming to the Swarm beta, and will soon be talking a great deal more about the coming Global Finals for the World Championship Series in Shanghai, China on Nov. 17-18.

What are you all enjoying most about the game and the scene these days? GSL finals this weekend anyone?


-Cloaken, Community Manager

Wonder if there'll be any unannounced features.
MMA: The true King of Wings
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 phiobos   China. October 19 2012 16:01. Posts 5
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Battle Hellion
This unit has been renamed to “Hellbat.”

This is the greatest change in the history of sc2
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