| Brainling United States. November 07 2012 01:57. Posts 443 | Profile Blog # |
On November 07 2012 01:54 Implenia wrote:
Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 01:48 Brainling wrote:
Also, to the person who said what you eat doesn't effect your play, that's pretty funny. You might want to actually learn about human nutrition and how it effects the brain.
I'm sorry but what did MYM stop from just going outside and buying food for themselves? I get it that you are upset that they didnt get it for free but come on. These are grown up people.
No, I'm upset one team got it for free, while the others didn't. If one gets free food, they all should get free food. If none get it, than none should. This isn't about MYM not getting free food, this is about one team being given special treatment and accommodations, while the others were apparently made to sleep in crap holes.
The funny part is, I'm a huge Na'vi fan. I still think it was wrong they got special treatment. |
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| Brainling United States. November 07 2012 01:58. Posts 443 | Profile Blog # |
On November 07 2012 01:57 Implenia wrote:
Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 01:56 Brainling wrote:
On November 07 2012 01:52 Yoshi- wrote:
In real sports the home tean always has a better treatment
Not really. They have "better" treatment because they get to sleep in their own beds...but they don't get to make the away team sleep in a SHELTER. This also doesn't account for when teams play "away away", like when the NFL played in London this year. Do you think the "home" team got a four star hotel while the "away" team got put in a dump? Most professional leagues have mandated for years that away locker rooms not be trash dumps at the center of the stadium. They have a level of accommodation they are required to have. This is all public domain knowledge in most sports rule books. Feel free to go look it up.
Are you really comparing professional sports with a growing small tournament scene? lol you are pathetic.
Yes, I am pathetic for demanding professionalism in my eSports when those people want me to participate in their scene with my dollars. Pathetic indeed.Last edit: 2012-11-07 01:58:51 |
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| duoform Spain. November 07 2012 02:00. Posts 2783 | Profile # |
The people going out of their minds, first you hear both stories and then we talk about it. V1lat/Starladder didn't say anything yet, and for f*** sake, normal people like someone said before wait a month or two for the money. You don't simply start trash talking and make heavy accusations like MYM did.
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| r.Evo Germany. November 07 2012 02:00. Posts 5232 | Profile # |
Wow. Some quotes by the OP on reddit:
Its like if you accept a job offer and they say they will pay you 1000 monthly, and they pay you half of that...
If you are gonna claim a company is shady, you could at least provide some proof of why it is shady.
MYM still owes me personally about 1k Euros. The way they resolved it was by not paying my direct contact who then quit his job there and ignoring any mail/email regarding the matter. I really regret not causing a shitstorm back then seeing how they act all high and mighty now. Bad evo, bad. |
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| teapoted Sweden. November 07 2012 02:01. Posts 5143 | Profile # |
On November 07 2012 01:48 Brainling wrote:
I am just mouth agape that some of you think it's fair to give one team, and one team only, special treatment. It's just mind blowing to me. It's so incredibly unprofessional. It would never happen in real sports, and wouldn't happen in most other eSports without it being a serious stink. Something like this happened once in SC2, and that tournament was buried. Yet here we see people supporting it, like it's okay.
Also, to the person who said what you eat doesn't effect your play, that's pretty funny. You might want to actually learn about human nutrition and how it effects the brain.
In SC2 you have a bunch of people like you who don't think rationally and thus start complaining about everything without really understanding how the real world works.
If Na'Vi sponsors or co-owns the venue. Then they will obviously have some deal with them that when their team is there they play for free or get free drinks / whatever. It's not Na'Vi's responsibility to then make sure that all the other teams get this treatment. And it's not the venue's problem either. And the whole thing is irrelevant to StarLadder itself who has a separate deal with the venue.
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| nGBeast United States. November 07 2012 02:06. Posts 811 | Profile # |
| I laughed at the part where MYM brought extra people, didn't tell starladder till they had arrived that they needed more room and whined about it? I'll take this with a grain of salt because MYM has been pretty shady in the past and its been 2 weeks. |
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 cecek Czech Republic. November 07 2012 02:08. Posts 4356 | Profile # |
Na'Vi gets free food from the venue they sponsor -> favoritism
Na'Vi gets a good hotel (no proof who funded it) -> favoritism
$1k 4 days late -> V1lat should disappear from the scene, because "all he does is take the money of the sponsors,"
Holy fucking shit, I can't believe how absurd these pitchforks are.
Also, why the fuck do they keep mentioning joinDOTA in the article?? That's absolutely irrelevant.Last edit: 2012-11-07 02:10:02 |
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 Implenia Austria. November 07 2012 02:13. Posts 1972 | Profile # |
On November 07 2012 02:08 cecek wrote:
Na'Vi gets free food from the venue they sponsor -> favoritism
Na'Vi gets a good hotel (no proof who funded it) -> favoritism
$1k 4 days late -> V1lat should disappear from the scene, because "all he does is take the money of the sponsors,"
Holy fucking shit, I can't believe how absurd these pitchforks are.
Also, why the fuck do they keep mentioning joinDOTA in the article?? That's absolutely irrelevant.
Because joindota got free food too. But the fact they actually worked at the event seems to elude everyone. |
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 Kipsate Netherlands. November 07 2012 02:13. Posts 18215 | Profile Blog # |
MYM
meh not sure if serious
Wagamama's response is more worrying, but until I hear him really complain about it I am not drawing any conclusions. |
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| teapoted Sweden. November 07 2012 02:14. Posts 5143 | Profile # |
| The only thing that actually seems to be wrong here is SL not responding to Emails. Which I think is perfectly fine to release a statement about because it's the only way to get a response, even after just 4 days of non-payment. But the rest of it just seems like "We have a problem, but we need to make this seem much worse so let's think of a bunch of other things to complain about." Last edit: 2012-11-07 02:15:16 |
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| Purolol Norway. November 07 2012 02:15. Posts 65 | Profile Blog # |
| Some people here can't comprehend the severity of this, which is pretty sad.:< |
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| NojAh Lithuania. November 07 2012 02:16. Posts 121 | Profile # |
| For me personally its dick move not to respond with any information. Yeah it's been not to long from the event but at least they could have decency to respond not to ignore and what I gathered from few reddit post v1lat is pretty good at ignoring people.. Of course we need more information I'm not on either side but that's not good for the community. Last edit: 2012-11-07 02:21:02 |
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| cecek Czech Republic. November 07 2012 02:16. Posts 4356 | Profile # |
On November 07 2012 02:13 Implenia wrote:
Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 02:08 cecek wrote:
Na'Vi gets free food from the venue they sponsor -> favoritism
Na'Vi gets a good hotel (no proof who funded it) -> favoritism
$1k 4 days late -> V1lat should disappear from the scene, because "all he does is take the money of the sponsors,"
Holy fucking shit, I can't believe how absurd these pitchforks are.
Also, why the fuck do they keep mentioning joinDOTA in the article?? That's absolutely irrelevant.
Because joindota got free food too. But the fact they actually worked at the event seems to elude everyone.
That's the point. They worked there. It's completely different from the competing teams. |
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| Kishin2 United States. November 07 2012 02:22. Posts 855 | Profile # |
| I distinctly remember Tobi talking about the venue and how inexpensive the food was at Starladder. I can't find the vod of it, but I'm having trouble believing all these accusations are true in the first place. |
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| Laserist Turkey. November 07 2012 02:23. Posts 425 | Profile # |
Apart from MYM & SL issue,
Why people here ok with late payments for months, since pro-gamers generally need money more than most of the professions out there?
Am I the only one who is disgusted because of late payments?
Lower end progamers generally fight for their food and you pay their a few hundred euros after months.
I am against any kind of intentional late payment.Last edit: 2012-11-07 02:23:36 |
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 Liquid`Nazgul Administrator November 07 2012 02:25. | Profile Blog # |
Please guys be reasonable about things. Going public when a payment is four days late is utterly absurd. Most organizations I work with have a 90 day deadline for their payments anyway. This deadline being so early is already a step in the right direction. Let's see how many organizations will have such a tight deadline after they are exposed publicly for being a couple days late. It's fine to be against late payments, I am too as I'm sure is everyone else. That doesn't mean this a professional way to go about it.
The comment about the muslim/pork is so out of place. Why is that in there. The only purpose it serves is to paint Starladder in a negative light. JoinDotA is not a team they are staff. The thought that they need to be treated equally to the teams is completely off. This whole post is incredibly poorly thought out. It is a real shame a professional organization decided this was a good idea. Last edit: 2012-11-07 02:29:45 |
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| duoform Spain. November 07 2012 02:28. Posts 2783 | Profile # |
On November 07 2012 02:25 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Please guys be reasonable about things. Going public when a payment is four days late is utterly absurd. Most organizations I work with have a 90 day deadline for their payments anyway. This deadline being so early is already a step in the right direction. Let's see how many organizations will have such a tight deadline after they are exposed publicly for being a couple days late.
The comment about the muslim/pork is so out of place. Why is that in there. The only purpose it serves is to paint Starladder in a negative light. JoinDotA is not a team they are staff. The thought that they need to be treated equally to the teams is completely off. This whole post is incredibly poorly thought out. It is a real shame a professional organization decided this was a good idea.
Finally someone who knows what's talking about.
Thanks Nazgul! Also, we are waiting for you DotA2 Team... |
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| OopsOopsBaby Singapore. November 07 2012 02:29. Posts 2228 | Profile Blog # |
- Hotel accommodation was supposed to be provided by Starladder, but, when we required an extra room to accommodate all of our players and our manager, our request was denied. This left MeetYourMakers GmbH with no other choice but to book another room for our guys, so that they didn’t need to sleep on the stone ground.
We hope that after exposing these points, our fans will understand why we believed there was no better option than to make this public. We firmly believe that in order for electronic sports to grow and become professional, all of these toxic event organizers should disappear, as all they do is take the money of the sponsors, and make the teams waste considerable amounts of money in order to attend events just to then find out that the event is not as it was promised to be.
is this really an official statement or something out of an esports drama thread? |
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| r.Evo Germany. November 07 2012 02:33. Posts 5232 | Profile # |
first the missing money should be payed... and until that date we will tell every dota2 fan and team to ignore StarLadder because you wont get your promissed money...
This kind of talk really annoys the crap out of me. It's like mym is the biggest victim ever seen on the planet and SL is abusing the heck ouf of everyone they have ever met. -_-
Edit: I just realized that out of the "4 days" the payment was late 2 have been part of the weekend. Zzzzz...Last edit: 2012-11-07 02:36:27 |
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| NB Canada. November 07 2012 02:34. Posts 7011 | Profile Blog # |
a Muslim, Product Manager for DotA2 in the ESL and ex Team Manager of Skanes Elit,
hmm that is a very interesting position. Good to know such exist :D |
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