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[GSTL] Playoffs: MVP vs. TSL

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[GSTL] Playoffs: MVP vs. TSL
November 23rd, 2012 08:47 | StarCraft 2
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Table of
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Thankful for StarCraft
Intro


TSL vs. MVP
Preview


Check out the GSTL on Liquipedia


Thankful for StarCraft



'Oversaturation' has become a buzzword as of late; apparently it's the next big reason League of Legends will be killing StarCraft II in 2013. While oversaturation does pose some problems for tournament organizers, as fans, it's worth taking a step back to look at things from perspective and think "boy, do we have it good." On Thanksgiving weekend, there's plenty to be thankful for as there's an amazing wealth of StarCraft to be had. Already there's been DreamHack Winter and IEM Singapore, and now you can top it off with the GSTL semi-finals!

Team SCV Life

MVP



by Waxangel

In a nutshell, this is a match-up between team MVP, and a team that wants to be team MVP.

Both teams have the same starting point, as they have a powerful three-Zerg core, where each of the three Zergs fits into a unique hierarchical role. The leader is a popular, successful Code S player with a reputation for being an uber-ace in the GSTL, but is finding it hard to live up to that killer reputation in recent seasons ((Z)MVP.DongRaeGu, (Z)TSL_Symbol). Then there's the lieutenant, a player who has had a great reputation for being extremely skilled, but has only recently stepped into the spotlight ((Z)MVP.Sniper, (Z)TSL_HyuN). Some would argue that he's actually even better than the leader, with the leader getting by mostly on reputation. Finally, there's the third Zerg who's almost as good as Zergs one and two, but because he's the third best, he ends up going wildly under-appreciated ((Z)MVP.Monster, (Z)TSL_Shine).

That's where the similarities end and MVP's superiority begins. In terms of assembling a team around that core, team MVP seriously outmatches TSL. For starters, there's that tiny matter of the entire Protoss race. TSL haven't had a good Protoss option since JYP left for Evil Geniuses in 2011, after which their Protoss line has gone 0 - 6. While TSL still haul out (P)inori to give away a win every now and then, they might actually be better off not using Protoss altogether in their current state. In contrast, MVP has three useful Protoss players in (P)MVP.TAiLS, (P)MVP.finale, and (P)MVP.Vampire. TAiLS in particular, has carved out a niche as one of the cheesiest snipers in the GSTL, bringing all sorts of map and race specific strategies his opponents never dreamed they'd face. While none of the three are really stars or Code S regulars, they fit well into the line-up, contributing with more wins than losses.

Terran is an area where TSL should be ahead of MVP. MVP has another racial line that's three deep, with (T)Noblesse, (T)Dream, and (T)KeeN. However, the rule of GSTL is that individual strength outweighs depth, and TSL's Terran ace (T)Polt should be more valuable than MVP's combined Terran line. Unfortunately for TSL, Polt happens to be one of those individual league stars who just can't bring it in the team leagues. While he's not a total GSTL disaster like Nestea, he falls into a similar zone as MC and MVP where he's disappointing by being merely 'decent' instead of 'great.'

Much of the hype around TSL and expectations of their impending rise to greatness depended on Polt. Symbol and the Zerg line raised them to the level of playoff team, but it was up to Polt to be that second ace and take them over the top. Instead, he's been about as valuable as a single Keen, Dream, or Noblesse in the GSTL, which is not nearly enough to challenge for a championship.

While I've painted a pretty grim picture for TSL so far, there's one thing that might help even the odds in TSL's favor: (Z)TSL_HyuN. While the above comparison suggests the TSL and MVP Zerg lines are analogous and fairly equal, HyuN's rise threatens to change the script. As most people know by now, HyuN is one of the best players when playing online, capable of winning EU cups through EU lag, and winning a ridiculous FOURTEEN consecutive IPL Fight Clubs. The problem for HyuN was getting over the mental problems that prevented him from playing at that level in the booth. While it doesn't look like he's gotten over those problems entirely, it does seem like he's now playing at an at least 85% level in the booth. While Creator's mistakes had a bit to do with it, HyuN looked dominant as he won their GSL Ro8 series by a score of 3 - 1, qualifying for IPL5 in Las Vegas.

A fully powered HyuN gives TSL that second ace Polt has failed to be. Racial balance and depth are cool, but strong, streaky players are disproportionately the most important thing in an all-kill format. DRG's recent Team League slump leaves Sniper as the only such player on the MVP side. If HyuN can't step up, then the match-up boils down to Symbol + decent supporting cast vs. Sniper + awesome supporting cast. However, if HyuN can play at an ace level, the the duo of Symbol and HyuN is fully capable of taking down team MVP.

Similarly, a lot also depends on who DongRaeGu wants to be. His Team League slump has made it so he's ceded the ace spot to Sniper in practicality, if not yet in name. DRG's recent inconsistency makes it tough for anyone to pencil him in for more than a win or two, but if he can be the old DRG for just one day, no team stands a chance.


The Breakdown

As usual, the TSL team pretty much picks itself. Symbol, Polt, Shine and HyuN will play for sure. With Revival away in Singapore, Ragnarok is likely to take the #5 spot. However, there's an unspoken rule of the GSTL that line-ups choices are not allowed to make total sense, which will leave TSL fans sweating nervously as they wonder if Coach Lee will find a way to play Inori somehow.

It's hard to say who will play for MVP as they are the deepest team in the GSTL. Sniper and DongRaeGu are locks, but the other choices are pretty much up in the air. Finale is the best PvZ player so he'll could show up for that purpose, and TAiLS may be called upon to cheese again. Noblesse and Dream both prepared for TvPs in Code A this week, so Keen's likely to be the man when it comes to TvZ. As for ZvZ, Sniper and DongRaeGu are probably sufficient, but Monster could make an appearance as well.

In the end, I decided to pick conservatively. By that, I mean I decided not to believe HyuN is a GSTL ace until he actually shows it once. A merely good HyuN won't be enough to overcome the weight of depth on MVP's side. If Symbol goes absolutely crazy (it's a possibility), then he could kill three or four players to seal the deal... but I'm going with MVP's overwhelming depth to triumph.

MVP 5 - 4 TSL









Writers: Waxangel.
Graphics: Pathy.
Editor: Waxangel.
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 KaRath_   Australia. November 23 2012 08:57. Posts 220
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Nice writeup :D my favourite team was already eliminated... why have I a feeling that TSL will win 5-4 XD

(And just one error - "contribomg with more wins than loss")
I wasted my nights, you turned out the lights, now I'm paralysed, still stuck in that time...
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 Nacht1331   United States. November 23 2012 09:00. Posts 15
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Hyun hwaiting XD I'm hoping for a miracle Hyun all-kill, simply because I want him to be the super player his is at fight club.
Alas TSL, we knew the well.
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 mayneeahk   Canada. November 23 2012 09:02. Posts 278
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Really enjoyed the write-up per usual. Hoping for MVP to win with great performances from Dream and DRG.
azubu
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 PhoenixVoid   Canada. November 23 2012 09:08. Posts 9096
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This could be an incredibly close match-up just from the equality of quality on TSL and MVP. I think the deciding game will go between HyuN and Sniper, because if either team loses their incredibly important Zerg player who has the potential to ravage the other team, they could lose their chances at moving to the finals. Polt will likely be used to snipe Protosses, and potentially a Terran if needed, while Symbol will be the reliable ZvT sniper and ZvZ stalwart if needed. This one will go down to the wire, but I think TSL is carrying more momentum recently as a team and individuals.

TSL 5-4 MVP

(Plus I want to see TSL in a GSTL finals for once, MVP has had enough times)
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 cosine   November 23 2012 09:17. Posts 264
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i think Polt's gonna bring his A-game to team league for once, so TSL has this for sure,
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  Fionn   United States. November 23 2012 09:25. Posts 17232Profile Blog # 
Not counting that rebuilding season where Alive, JYP, Killer, and Clide all left at the same time, leaving TSL with pretty much no one established except Polt, TSL is 11-1 all-time in GSTL up to the semifinals.

They're 0-4 in semifinals.

 
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 derpface   Sweden. November 23 2012 09:29. Posts 844
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Omg Polt not in bold?

Clearly not a Fionn article,
gg no re #_< no1 Hydra and Leta fan >_#
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 blacksheepwall   China. November 23 2012 09:30. Posts 1078
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Team MVP seriously outmatches TSL


I sort of hope that HyuN goes on a rampage and gets like three or four wins.

Not sure why, but I've been pulling for TSL for a while and this would be a huge win for them.

But I agree it's more likely for MVP to take this. Alternate awesome: DRG al-kills.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ // "Second prize is a set of steak knives. Third prize is you're fired." // </3 Taeja
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  Fionn   United States. November 23 2012 09:40. Posts 17232Profile Blog # 
Yeah, a win could be huge for TSL. Hyun in semifinals, whole team doing well in GSL, lots of player qualified for various foreign tournaments. A team league win could get them that big sponsor they want to join the big boys like IM, ST, and MVP.
 
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 PhoenixVoid   Canada. November 23 2012 09:50. Posts 9096
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On November 23 2012 09:40 Fionn wrote:
Yeah, a win could be huge for TSL. Hyun in semifinals, whole team doing well in GSL, lots of player qualified for various foreign tournaments. A team league win could get them that big sponsor they want to join the big boys like IM, ST, and MVP.


Would be nice to see TSL finally get a strong sponsor, they manage to stay in the big leagues without a famous/massive sponsor, and earning a nice sponsor would be the icing on the cake.
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 Sumahi   Guam. November 23 2012 09:55. Posts 5036
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I'm cheering for TSL! It is interesting how both teams have evolved to have three zergs make up their winning core. A year ago I never would have imagined that TSL would have been like this.
Startale <3, ST_July <3, HongUn <3, Savior <3, Gretorp <3, Nada <3, Rainbow <3, Ret <3, Squirtle <3, Bomber <3
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 SHOOG   United States. November 23 2012 10:23. Posts 1373
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This is going to be a close one. I'm going to go with MVP over TSL.
生駒里奈
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 Broodlings   United States. November 23 2012 10:32. Posts 149
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HyuN excels in the bo9 format... TSL will take this.
There is no Karont3 icon???? what is this madness?
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 Krossfire   Australia. November 23 2012 10:35. Posts 1052
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my two favourite teams!! such a tough pick

dont mind who wins as long as they win the whole GSTL....hoping for a close series tho
For the Swarm * DRG *
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 MatiaasS !   Chile. November 23 2012 10:36. Posts 109
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It's weard that MVP doesn't centre his power on just DRG anymore.
TL - EG - IM - T1 || HuK - IdrA - ThorZaIN / HerO - DongRaeGu - TaeJa / Rain - Jaedong - Flash.
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 NovemberstOrm   Canada. November 23 2012 10:52. Posts 4752
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Both of these teams are awesome but I want TSL to win this time, they need a team league championship and they deserve one.
"Terran is the hardest race to play but if played to its fullest potiental they are the best" I love Starcraft.
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 GoSuChicken   United States. November 23 2012 11:00. Posts 1352
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rooting for TSL!
|| Team Liquid/HerO/Mvp/MKP/TLO/Symbol ||
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 izmatic   United States. November 23 2012 11:10. Posts 43
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which will leave TSL fans sweating nervously as they wonder if Coach Lee will find a way to play Inori somehow
.


i also have this sneaking suspision they will start with center after his code a win.... this is gonna be so close i hope they dont leave an ace in the hole
Last edit: 2012-11-23 11:12:19
two wrongs dont make a right, and three rights make a left
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  Emzeeshady   Canada. November 23 2012 11:50. Posts 3514Profile Blog # 
Dream all kill
The Roaches came, the marines all died. Marauders were made but none survived.
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