How come the Raven is not Psionic?

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On November 24 2012 11:47 Madkipz wrote:
Because lore. it`s basically an unmanned drone with strategic utilities. http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Raven

Operationally linked to an AI,[7] the Raven is an all-around workhorse that combines the functions of a surveillance drone and a combat engineer. A common sight among the Fringe Worlds, these robust air-mobile vehicles are built to operate independently in harsh climates. Ravens excel in protection and reconnaissance due to their defensive auto-turrets and their advanced sensors, which can detect cloaked or burrowed enemies. The Terran Dominion initially designed the Raven to give low-level protection to its most isolated outposts, but recently the Raven has been used in escalating levels of conflict to replace the older and costlier science vessel.[8]

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On November 24 2012 12:00 Antylamon wrote:
An "excuse?" When these groups were decided, there were no units or spells which had any disadvantages or advantages against Psionic. Lore was literally the only deciding factor. It is now subject to change due to gameplay, which has much higher importance in everyone's perspective.

Now that the Raven being Psionic can make a difference, the Raven may change. However, as stated in the notes about the Raven HSM change, Blizz wants to buff the Raven slightly in this test map to increase its usage, but without affecting the lategame too much. To me it seems that they want to confirm or disprove any thoughts they have about why Ravens are neglected. After Blizz knows for sure what is wrong with Ravens, then they'll buff accordingly.

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On November 24 2012 12:48 AoWGoDLiKe wrote:
ravens are not psyonic, because they are not psyonic. does that make sense?
auto turret and pdd arent psyonic spells at all. as well as the raven, which isnt a psyonic unit itself. that might be the reason why the raven isnt a psyonic unit.
I agree that the raven is too week, but Its doubtful that your idea would help balancing tvz oh so much...

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On November 24 2012 12:55 Zergrusher wrote:




Did you even read the recent call to action:Balance testing?

Read it, and then comeback to comment on my idea.

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On November 24 2012 11:39 Zergrusher wrote:
I bring this up Because of the recent balance test they are Trying out in WOL

The ravens spells cast ranges are pretty short ranged(which is stupid and I'll post about that at some other point).

PDD and Auto Turret cast range is 3 and Seeker missle cast range is 6



VS funguls cast range of 9


If ravens were Psionic they would atleast have a chance of excaping fungul and also casting spells.


So basically I'm asking the Raven to be a Psionic unit, for the sake of balance and good gameplay.



This recent patch Favors the ZVP match up more then the ZVT match up,

Concidering all of the Psionic units protoss has, compared to the only Psionic unit Terran has is the ghost.

So if you change the Raven to Psionic it will help TVZ aswell.

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On November 24 2012 12:08 Zergrusher wrote:



Whats wrong with ravens...... hmmm lets see

1) Short cast ranges

2) its abit slow

3) HSM costs to much energy

4) Durable materials should be built in.


oh and it doesn't help that blizzard isn't directly addressing the "root" of funguls problems.



But anyways, look at the current planed patch.


the raven will still not get in range to cast the spells aslong as fungul roots them.

if the fungul change goes threw, then why not make the raven Psionic so that the raven can get in range to cast the missles, PDD's/Auto turrets?

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On November 24 2012 13:07 blug wrote:


Dude, the fact is it's not psionic. It's like calling my washing machine psionic. Obviously Lore/Multiplayer don't always follow suite, but calling a machine psionic is entering the realm of dumb.

Also no I disagree, once Mass Air Terran Occurs, Terran at most times have an advantage against Zerg, so why should ravens avoid fungal?

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On November 24 2012 13:20 AfricanPsycho wrote:


Um... because its a robot? It wouldn't make sense if it was psionic.

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On November 24 2012 13:21 hayata2.0 wrote:
Sentries are robotic and are psionic.
So why not Ravens.

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On November 24 2012 14:02 larse wrote:
How about making all mechanical units not psionic? So only bio-psionic units will be immune.

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On November 24 2012 14:01 TranceKuja wrote:
Lore or not they need to make the Raven psionic if they stick with fungal not affecting psionic.

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On November 24 2012 14:10 Zergrusher wrote:



and that was the point of my post..... in the first place.

people would have known that IF THEY READ the OP.

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On November 24 2012 14:30 eviltomahawk wrote:

Nevertheless, the title of the post doesn't really convey the true meaning of your post, which probably is the cause of all this confusion about lore and stuff from the other posters.

Why the Raven wasn't Psionic in the first place was, as others have said, because of lore.

Why the Raven currently isn't Psionic in the test map is because Blizzard wants to experiment cautiously with just a couple of changes: the seeker missile buff and the Fungal immunity for Psionic units. Depending on how things go on the test map, things may or may not be further tweaked accordingly.

Should the Raven be Psionic? Again, it depends on how things actually progress on the test map. If Ghosts become enough of a counter against Infestors, then no change may be needed. If not, then the Raven could be given the Psionic tag in a subsequent test map. It would be great if Ravens weren't shut down by Fungals so easily, but there is always the chance that giving this buff to both Ravens and Ghosts may be too much to be balanced, so it's good approach this cautiously. I imagine that the Psionic tags on Sentries and Warp Prisms are also in question.

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