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Yeah transaction works now, managed to get my money out^^
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On December 19 2012 08:03 NOOBALOPSE wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 07:59 VTPerfect wrote:On December 19 2012 07:54 zhurai wrote:On December 19 2012 07:45 VTPerfect wrote: if Dailies don't come back there will be only 1 NA tournament only once a week and thats funded by EU Zotac money. what a shame. which is.. o.o Zotac obviously ^^ a German org that used to run 100 Euro Wc3 cups every sunday for top tier progamers but branched out into Sc2 and runs an EU cup and an NA cup. Virtually all the winners happen to be Korean though and it is winner takes all. Also i don't believe Playhem was responsible for destroying NA cups because why didnt they destroy EU cups? I think NA is responsible for destroying their own cups They only started EU cups recently, that's why. Clearly they couldn't fund it and that may be part of the reason that they are dark right now. No, they had been doing EU tournaments for over a year. I thougt they started Playhem EU and NA tournaments simultaniously.
And also, americans can play on EU tournaments aswell so I don't really see what the problem is here? o_O
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Craft cup is dead? I hadnt played it in a while but dam it was a nice cup
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On December 23 2012 05:08 VTPerfect wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 08:12 desRow wrote: It's the circle of life, a weekly tour/daily cup dies, another one will rise ^^ yeah don't you remember Wc3 NA? died 2006, Dota the game u switched 2 after Wc3 died, died too. Just looks like Sc2 is going to last even shorter time lol. but yeah i can confirm u can now withdraw which means they are getting money in again which means they might not be dead after all. Before you start spelling out doom and sadness, lets realize that the SC2 scene is enormous compared to all the scenes you mentioned.
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On December 23 2012 05:08 VTPerfect wrote: Dota the game u switched 2 after Wc3 died, died too.
Well no, not really..
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On December 23 2012 06:15 docvoc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 05:08 VTPerfect wrote:On December 19 2012 08:12 desRow wrote: It's the circle of life, a weekly tour/daily cup dies, another one will rise ^^ yeah don't you remember Wc3 NA? died 2006, Dota the game u switched 2 after Wc3 died, died too. Just looks like Sc2 is going to last even shorter time lol. but yeah i can confirm u can now withdraw which means they are getting money in again which means they might not be dead after all. Before you start spelling out doom and sadness, lets realize that the SC2 scene is enormous compared to all the scenes you mentioned.
DotA is dead... what?
@docvoc
i wouldn't be so sure about that, DotA is played by so many in china, and china has a huge population
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well, site is not working now ^^ tried to log in but i can't
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Not surprised tbh. Wings of Liberty is at it's lowest point right now in terms of playership and viewership. Hots will surely change it, but for a company like playham it's not worth it to stick around these next few months. Not until hots comes out
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On December 26 2012 23:36 nomyx wrote: Not surprised tbh. Wings of Liberty is at it's lowest point right now in terms of playership and viewership. Hots will surely change it, but for a company like playham it's not worth it to stick around these next few months. Not until hots comes out
Eh, I wouldn't count on it. Not with David Kim at the helm. I think the only current flourishing esport is LoL. Its popularity is massive in and outside of korea, and it dominates the viewership numbers on streams. Even just one TSM player gathers over 20k viewers which rivals even full blown major sc2 tournaments. Blizzard not only killed sc2, but they killed BW and War3 as well which they should feel ashamed of. They weren't involved barely at all with the esports community of war3 or BW, and then they come along with SC2 and try to control everything so that they can make a long term profit off it and in the process they ruin it for everyone.
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On December 27 2012 02:17 AnomalySC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2012 23:36 nomyx wrote: Not surprised tbh. Wings of Liberty is at it's lowest point right now in terms of playership and viewership. Hots will surely change it, but for a company like playham it's not worth it to stick around these next few months. Not until hots comes out Eh, I wouldn't count on it. Not with David Kim at the helm. I think the only current flourishing esport is LoL. Its popularity is massive in and outside of korea, and it dominates the viewership numbers on streams. Even just one TSM player gathers over 20k viewers which rivals even full blown major sc2 tournaments. Blizzard not only killed sc2, but they killed BW and War3 as well which they should feel ashamed of. They weren't involved barely at all with the esports community of war3 or BW, and then they come along with SC2 and try to control everything so that they can make a long term profit off it and in the process they ruin it for everyone.
Blizzard did not kill BW. Korean viewership was not enough to sustain the sponsorship or operation of MBCGame, Wemade or Hwaseung.
Contradiction: You say lack of Blizz involvement killed War3/BW, but Blizz involvement has killed SC2. Which is it?
Finally, are LoL viewers really as valuable to sponsors as SC2? Does the existence of LoL somehow hurt SC2? Do LoL events not allow MLG, OGN and IPL to continue holding big SC2 events?
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On December 27 2012 02:17 AnomalySC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2012 23:36 nomyx wrote: Not surprised tbh. Wings of Liberty is at it's lowest point right now in terms of playership and viewership. Hots will surely change it, but for a company like playham it's not worth it to stick around these next few months. Not until hots comes out Eh, I wouldn't count on it. Not with David Kim at the helm. I think the only current flourishing esport is LoL. Its popularity is massive in and outside of korea, and it dominates the viewership numbers on streams. Even just one TSM player gathers over 20k viewers which rivals even full blown major sc2 tournaments. Blizzard not only killed sc2, but they killed BW and War3 as well which they should feel ashamed of. They weren't involved barely at all with the esports community of war3 or BW, and then they come along with SC2 and try to control everything so that they can make a long term profit off it and in the process they ruin it for everyone.
This is a perfect example of being wrong, at everything.
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On December 27 2012 02:17 AnomalySC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2012 23:36 nomyx wrote: Not surprised tbh. Wings of Liberty is at it's lowest point right now in terms of playership and viewership. Hots will surely change it, but for a company like playham it's not worth it to stick around these next few months. Not until hots comes out Eh, I wouldn't count on it. Not with David Kim at the helm. I think the only current flourishing esport is LoL. Its popularity is massive in and outside of korea, and it dominates the viewership numbers on streams. Even just one TSM player gathers over 20k viewers which rivals even full blown major sc2 tournaments. Blizzard not only killed sc2, but they killed BW and War3 as well which they should feel ashamed of. They weren't involved barely at all with the esports community of war3 or BW, and then they come along with SC2 and try to control everything so that they can make a long term profit off it and in the process they ruin it for everyone. Sc2 is fine. It's at a stable point. Just because it's not the most popular doesn't mean it's anywhere near dead. Kind of like saying Pepsi is dead because Coca-cola is more popular.
Also you're comparing Blizzard games, which have had games out and played competitively and still are, before Riot was even a fucking company lol.
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On December 27 2012 02:21 Solarsail wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2012 02:17 AnomalySC2 wrote:On December 26 2012 23:36 nomyx wrote: Not surprised tbh. Wings of Liberty is at it's lowest point right now in terms of playership and viewership. Hots will surely change it, but for a company like playham it's not worth it to stick around these next few months. Not until hots comes out Eh, I wouldn't count on it. Not with David Kim at the helm. I think the only current flourishing esport is LoL. Its popularity is massive in and outside of korea, and it dominates the viewership numbers on streams. Even just one TSM player gathers over 20k viewers which rivals even full blown major sc2 tournaments. Blizzard not only killed sc2, but they killed BW and War3 as well which they should feel ashamed of. They weren't involved barely at all with the esports community of war3 or BW, and then they come along with SC2 and try to control everything so that they can make a long term profit off it and in the process they ruin it for everyone. Blizzard did not kill BW. Korean viewership was not enough to sustain the sponsorship or operation of MBCGame, Wemade or Hwaseung. Contradiction: You say lack of Blizz involvement killed War3/BW, but Blizz involvement has killed SC2. Which is it? Finally, are LoL viewers really as valuable to sponsors as SC2? Does the existence of LoL somehow hurt SC2? Do LoL events not allow MLG, OGN and IPL to continue holding big SC2 events?
The pro scene was still functioning for war3 and BW before WoL launched. Shortly after we see all the big name BW and war3 pros being forced to switch to sc2 because they had no other choice.
I don't know if LoL viewers are more valuable to sponsors but I do know that that game is growing whereas sc2 is shrinking. Take that for what you will.
You can make any argument you want about who is really to blame for SC2 shedding players/viewers like crazy, but I would point my finger at David Kim and his constant "balance" patches. The game is supposed to get better over time, not worse
On December 27 2012 02:27 haffy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2012 02:17 AnomalySC2 wrote:On December 26 2012 23:36 nomyx wrote: Not surprised tbh. Wings of Liberty is at it's lowest point right now in terms of playership and viewership. Hots will surely change it, but for a company like playham it's not worth it to stick around these next few months. Not until hots comes out Eh, I wouldn't count on it. Not with David Kim at the helm. I think the only current flourishing esport is LoL. Its popularity is massive in and outside of korea, and it dominates the viewership numbers on streams. Even just one TSM player gathers over 20k viewers which rivals even full blown major sc2 tournaments. Blizzard not only killed sc2, but they killed BW and War3 as well which they should feel ashamed of. They weren't involved barely at all with the esports community of war3 or BW, and then they come along with SC2 and try to control everything so that they can make a long term profit off it and in the process they ruin it for everyone. Sc2 is fine. It's at a stable point. Just because it's not the most popular doesn't mean it's anywhere near dead. Kind of like saying Pepsi is dead because Coca-cola is more popular. Also you're comparing Blizzard games, which have had games out and played competitively and still are, before Riot was even a fucking company lol.
I don't see how it's stable. It's at an all time low with teams closing left and right. Your definition of stable must be pretty interesting..
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On December 27 2012 02:32 AnomalySC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2012 02:21 Solarsail wrote:On December 27 2012 02:17 AnomalySC2 wrote:On December 26 2012 23:36 nomyx wrote: Not surprised tbh. Wings of Liberty is at it's lowest point right now in terms of playership and viewership. Hots will surely change it, but for a company like playham it's not worth it to stick around these next few months. Not until hots comes out Eh, I wouldn't count on it. Not with David Kim at the helm. I think the only current flourishing esport is LoL. Its popularity is massive in and outside of korea, and it dominates the viewership numbers on streams. Even just one TSM player gathers over 20k viewers which rivals even full blown major sc2 tournaments. Blizzard not only killed sc2, but they killed BW and War3 as well which they should feel ashamed of. They weren't involved barely at all with the esports community of war3 or BW, and then they come along with SC2 and try to control everything so that they can make a long term profit off it and in the process they ruin it for everyone. Blizzard did not kill BW. Korean viewership was not enough to sustain the sponsorship or operation of MBCGame, Wemade or Hwaseung. Contradiction: You say lack of Blizz involvement killed War3/BW, but Blizz involvement has killed SC2. Which is it? Finally, are LoL viewers really as valuable to sponsors as SC2? Does the existence of LoL somehow hurt SC2? Do LoL events not allow MLG, OGN and IPL to continue holding big SC2 events? The pro scene was still functioning for war3 and BW before WoL launched. Shortly after we see all the big name BW and war3 pros being forced to switch to sc2 because they had no other choice. I don't know if LoL viewers are more valuable to sponsors but I do know that that game is growing whereas sc2 is shrinking. Take that for what you will. You can make any argument you want about who is really to blame for SC2 shedding players/viewers like crazy, but I would point my finger at David Kim and his constant "balance" patches. The game is supposed to get better over time, not worse Show nested quote +On December 27 2012 02:27 haffy wrote:On December 27 2012 02:17 AnomalySC2 wrote:On December 26 2012 23:36 nomyx wrote: Not surprised tbh. Wings of Liberty is at it's lowest point right now in terms of playership and viewership. Hots will surely change it, but for a company like playham it's not worth it to stick around these next few months. Not until hots comes out Eh, I wouldn't count on it. Not with David Kim at the helm. I think the only current flourishing esport is LoL. Its popularity is massive in and outside of korea, and it dominates the viewership numbers on streams. Even just one TSM player gathers over 20k viewers which rivals even full blown major sc2 tournaments. Blizzard not only killed sc2, but they killed BW and War3 as well which they should feel ashamed of. They weren't involved barely at all with the esports community of war3 or BW, and then they come along with SC2 and try to control everything so that they can make a long term profit off it and in the process they ruin it for everyone. Sc2 is fine. It's at a stable point. Just because it's not the most popular doesn't mean it's anywhere near dead. Kind of like saying Pepsi is dead because Coca-cola is more popular. Also you're comparing Blizzard games, which have had games out and played competitively and still are, before Riot was even a fucking company lol. I don't see how it's stable. It's at an all time low with teams closing left and right. Your definition of stable must be pretty interesting..
Company's die in stable climates all the time. If they aren't run well it doesn't matter how much potential money there is. Also it's at an all time low, which is predictable to anyone with an oz of business knowledge. It isn't as if it's anything anyone running tournaments and teams are shocked about.
I don't really understand why you're even talking about any of this lol. You've clearly shown your lack of understanding in these areas, yet you go around speaking as if you were an expert lol.
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On December 27 2012 02:42 haffy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2012 02:32 AnomalySC2 wrote:On December 27 2012 02:21 Solarsail wrote:On December 27 2012 02:17 AnomalySC2 wrote:On December 26 2012 23:36 nomyx wrote: Not surprised tbh. Wings of Liberty is at it's lowest point right now in terms of playership and viewership. Hots will surely change it, but for a company like playham it's not worth it to stick around these next few months. Not until hots comes out Eh, I wouldn't count on it. Not with David Kim at the helm. I think the only current flourishing esport is LoL. Its popularity is massive in and outside of korea, and it dominates the viewership numbers on streams. Even just one TSM player gathers over 20k viewers which rivals even full blown major sc2 tournaments. Blizzard not only killed sc2, but they killed BW and War3 as well which they should feel ashamed of. They weren't involved barely at all with the esports community of war3 or BW, and then they come along with SC2 and try to control everything so that they can make a long term profit off it and in the process they ruin it for everyone. Blizzard did not kill BW. Korean viewership was not enough to sustain the sponsorship or operation of MBCGame, Wemade or Hwaseung. Contradiction: You say lack of Blizz involvement killed War3/BW, but Blizz involvement has killed SC2. Which is it? Finally, are LoL viewers really as valuable to sponsors as SC2? Does the existence of LoL somehow hurt SC2? Do LoL events not allow MLG, OGN and IPL to continue holding big SC2 events? The pro scene was still functioning for war3 and BW before WoL launched. Shortly after we see all the big name BW and war3 pros being forced to switch to sc2 because they had no other choice. I don't know if LoL viewers are more valuable to sponsors but I do know that that game is growing whereas sc2 is shrinking. Take that for what you will. You can make any argument you want about who is really to blame for SC2 shedding players/viewers like crazy, but I would point my finger at David Kim and his constant "balance" patches. The game is supposed to get better over time, not worse On December 27 2012 02:27 haffy wrote:On December 27 2012 02:17 AnomalySC2 wrote:On December 26 2012 23:36 nomyx wrote: Not surprised tbh. Wings of Liberty is at it's lowest point right now in terms of playership and viewership. Hots will surely change it, but for a company like playham it's not worth it to stick around these next few months. Not until hots comes out Eh, I wouldn't count on it. Not with David Kim at the helm. I think the only current flourishing esport is LoL. Its popularity is massive in and outside of korea, and it dominates the viewership numbers on streams. Even just one TSM player gathers over 20k viewers which rivals even full blown major sc2 tournaments. Blizzard not only killed sc2, but they killed BW and War3 as well which they should feel ashamed of. They weren't involved barely at all with the esports community of war3 or BW, and then they come along with SC2 and try to control everything so that they can make a long term profit off it and in the process they ruin it for everyone. Sc2 is fine. It's at a stable point. Just because it's not the most popular doesn't mean it's anywhere near dead. Kind of like saying Pepsi is dead because Coca-cola is more popular. Also you're comparing Blizzard games, which have had games out and played competitively and still are, before Riot was even a fucking company lol. I don't see how it's stable. It's at an all time low with teams closing left and right. Your definition of stable must be pretty interesting.. Company's die in stable climates all the time. If they aren't run well it doesn't matter how much potential money there is. Also it's at an all time low, which is predictable to anyone with an oz of business knowledge. It isn't as if it's anything anyone running tournaments and teams are shocked about. I don't really understand why you're even talking about any of this lol. You've clearly shown your lack of understanding in these areas, yet you go around speaking as if you were an expert lol.
You just said sc2 is fine and that it's in a stable spot, now you bring up "companies die in stable climates all the time". Then you tell me I don't know what im talking about and then don't explain anything at all.
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On December 27 2012 02:49 AnomalySC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2012 02:42 haffy wrote:On December 27 2012 02:32 AnomalySC2 wrote:On December 27 2012 02:21 Solarsail wrote:On December 27 2012 02:17 AnomalySC2 wrote:On December 26 2012 23:36 nomyx wrote: Not surprised tbh. Wings of Liberty is at it's lowest point right now in terms of playership and viewership. Hots will surely change it, but for a company like playham it's not worth it to stick around these next few months. Not until hots comes out Eh, I wouldn't count on it. Not with David Kim at the helm. I think the only current flourishing esport is LoL. Its popularity is massive in and outside of korea, and it dominates the viewership numbers on streams. Even just one TSM player gathers over 20k viewers which rivals even full blown major sc2 tournaments. Blizzard not only killed sc2, but they killed BW and War3 as well which they should feel ashamed of. They weren't involved barely at all with the esports community of war3 or BW, and then they come along with SC2 and try to control everything so that they can make a long term profit off it and in the process they ruin it for everyone. Blizzard did not kill BW. Korean viewership was not enough to sustain the sponsorship or operation of MBCGame, Wemade or Hwaseung. Contradiction: You say lack of Blizz involvement killed War3/BW, but Blizz involvement has killed SC2. Which is it? Finally, are LoL viewers really as valuable to sponsors as SC2? Does the existence of LoL somehow hurt SC2? Do LoL events not allow MLG, OGN and IPL to continue holding big SC2 events? The pro scene was still functioning for war3 and BW before WoL launched. Shortly after we see all the big name BW and war3 pros being forced to switch to sc2 because they had no other choice. I don't know if LoL viewers are more valuable to sponsors but I do know that that game is growing whereas sc2 is shrinking. Take that for what you will. You can make any argument you want about who is really to blame for SC2 shedding players/viewers like crazy, but I would point my finger at David Kim and his constant "balance" patches. The game is supposed to get better over time, not worse On December 27 2012 02:27 haffy wrote:On December 27 2012 02:17 AnomalySC2 wrote:On December 26 2012 23:36 nomyx wrote: Not surprised tbh. Wings of Liberty is at it's lowest point right now in terms of playership and viewership. Hots will surely change it, but for a company like playham it's not worth it to stick around these next few months. Not until hots comes out Eh, I wouldn't count on it. Not with David Kim at the helm. I think the only current flourishing esport is LoL. Its popularity is massive in and outside of korea, and it dominates the viewership numbers on streams. Even just one TSM player gathers over 20k viewers which rivals even full blown major sc2 tournaments. Blizzard not only killed sc2, but they killed BW and War3 as well which they should feel ashamed of. They weren't involved barely at all with the esports community of war3 or BW, and then they come along with SC2 and try to control everything so that they can make a long term profit off it and in the process they ruin it for everyone. Sc2 is fine. It's at a stable point. Just because it's not the most popular doesn't mean it's anywhere near dead. Kind of like saying Pepsi is dead because Coca-cola is more popular. Also you're comparing Blizzard games, which have had games out and played competitively and still are, before Riot was even a fucking company lol. I don't see how it's stable. It's at an all time low with teams closing left and right. Your definition of stable must be pretty interesting.. Company's die in stable climates all the time. If they aren't run well it doesn't matter how much potential money there is. Also it's at an all time low, which is predictable to anyone with an oz of business knowledge. It isn't as if it's anything anyone running tournaments and teams are shocked about. I don't really understand why you're even talking about any of this lol. You've clearly shown your lack of understanding in these areas, yet you go around speaking as if you were an expert lol. You just said sc2 is fine and that it's in a stable spot, now you bring up "companies die in stable climates all the time". Then you tell me I don't know what im talking about and then don't explain anything at all.
Can't teach a blind man to see.
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On December 27 2012 02:51 haffy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2012 02:49 AnomalySC2 wrote:On December 27 2012 02:42 haffy wrote:On December 27 2012 02:32 AnomalySC2 wrote:On December 27 2012 02:21 Solarsail wrote:On December 27 2012 02:17 AnomalySC2 wrote:On December 26 2012 23:36 nomyx wrote: Not surprised tbh. Wings of Liberty is at it's lowest point right now in terms of playership and viewership. Hots will surely change it, but for a company like playham it's not worth it to stick around these next few months. Not until hots comes out Eh, I wouldn't count on it. Not with David Kim at the helm. I think the only current flourishing esport is LoL. Its popularity is massive in and outside of korea, and it dominates the viewership numbers on streams. Even just one TSM player gathers over 20k viewers which rivals even full blown major sc2 tournaments. Blizzard not only killed sc2, but they killed BW and War3 as well which they should feel ashamed of. They weren't involved barely at all with the esports community of war3 or BW, and then they come along with SC2 and try to control everything so that they can make a long term profit off it and in the process they ruin it for everyone. Blizzard did not kill BW. Korean viewership was not enough to sustain the sponsorship or operation of MBCGame, Wemade or Hwaseung. Contradiction: You say lack of Blizz involvement killed War3/BW, but Blizz involvement has killed SC2. Which is it? Finally, are LoL viewers really as valuable to sponsors as SC2? Does the existence of LoL somehow hurt SC2? Do LoL events not allow MLG, OGN and IPL to continue holding big SC2 events? The pro scene was still functioning for war3 and BW before WoL launched. Shortly after we see all the big name BW and war3 pros being forced to switch to sc2 because they had no other choice. I don't know if LoL viewers are more valuable to sponsors but I do know that that game is growing whereas sc2 is shrinking. Take that for what you will. You can make any argument you want about who is really to blame for SC2 shedding players/viewers like crazy, but I would point my finger at David Kim and his constant "balance" patches. The game is supposed to get better over time, not worse On December 27 2012 02:27 haffy wrote:On December 27 2012 02:17 AnomalySC2 wrote:On December 26 2012 23:36 nomyx wrote: Not surprised tbh. Wings of Liberty is at it's lowest point right now in terms of playership and viewership. Hots will surely change it, but for a company like playham it's not worth it to stick around these next few months. Not until hots comes out Eh, I wouldn't count on it. Not with David Kim at the helm. I think the only current flourishing esport is LoL. Its popularity is massive in and outside of korea, and it dominates the viewership numbers on streams. Even just one TSM player gathers over 20k viewers which rivals even full blown major sc2 tournaments. Blizzard not only killed sc2, but they killed BW and War3 as well which they should feel ashamed of. They weren't involved barely at all with the esports community of war3 or BW, and then they come along with SC2 and try to control everything so that they can make a long term profit off it and in the process they ruin it for everyone. Sc2 is fine. It's at a stable point. Just because it's not the most popular doesn't mean it's anywhere near dead. Kind of like saying Pepsi is dead because Coca-cola is more popular. Also you're comparing Blizzard games, which have had games out and played competitively and still are, before Riot was even a fucking company lol. I don't see how it's stable. It's at an all time low with teams closing left and right. Your definition of stable must be pretty interesting.. Company's die in stable climates all the time. If they aren't run well it doesn't matter how much potential money there is. Also it's at an all time low, which is predictable to anyone with an oz of business knowledge. It isn't as if it's anything anyone running tournaments and teams are shocked about. I don't really understand why you're even talking about any of this lol. You've clearly shown your lack of understanding in these areas, yet you go around speaking as if you were an expert lol. You just said sc2 is fine and that it's in a stable spot, now you bring up "companies die in stable climates all the time". Then you tell me I don't know what im talking about and then don't explain anything at all. Can't teach a blind man to see.
There is nothing for you to teach, you're just some random troll that tried to sound smart and ended up completely contradicting himself. If you don't actually explain your points then how can anyone take your opinion seriously.
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On December 27 2012 02:53 AnomalySC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2012 02:51 haffy wrote:On December 27 2012 02:49 AnomalySC2 wrote:On December 27 2012 02:42 haffy wrote:On December 27 2012 02:32 AnomalySC2 wrote:On December 27 2012 02:21 Solarsail wrote:On December 27 2012 02:17 AnomalySC2 wrote:On December 26 2012 23:36 nomyx wrote: Not surprised tbh. Wings of Liberty is at it's lowest point right now in terms of playership and viewership. Hots will surely change it, but for a company like playham it's not worth it to stick around these next few months. Not until hots comes out Eh, I wouldn't count on it. Not with David Kim at the helm. I think the only current flourishing esport is LoL. Its popularity is massive in and outside of korea, and it dominates the viewership numbers on streams. Even just one TSM player gathers over 20k viewers which rivals even full blown major sc2 tournaments. Blizzard not only killed sc2, but they killed BW and War3 as well which they should feel ashamed of. They weren't involved barely at all with the esports community of war3 or BW, and then they come along with SC2 and try to control everything so that they can make a long term profit off it and in the process they ruin it for everyone. Blizzard did not kill BW. Korean viewership was not enough to sustain the sponsorship or operation of MBCGame, Wemade or Hwaseung. Contradiction: You say lack of Blizz involvement killed War3/BW, but Blizz involvement has killed SC2. Which is it? Finally, are LoL viewers really as valuable to sponsors as SC2? Does the existence of LoL somehow hurt SC2? Do LoL events not allow MLG, OGN and IPL to continue holding big SC2 events? The pro scene was still functioning for war3 and BW before WoL launched. Shortly after we see all the big name BW and war3 pros being forced to switch to sc2 because they had no other choice. I don't know if LoL viewers are more valuable to sponsors but I do know that that game is growing whereas sc2 is shrinking. Take that for what you will. You can make any argument you want about who is really to blame for SC2 shedding players/viewers like crazy, but I would point my finger at David Kim and his constant "balance" patches. The game is supposed to get better over time, not worse On December 27 2012 02:27 haffy wrote:On December 27 2012 02:17 AnomalySC2 wrote:On December 26 2012 23:36 nomyx wrote: Not surprised tbh. Wings of Liberty is at it's lowest point right now in terms of playership and viewership. Hots will surely change it, but for a company like playham it's not worth it to stick around these next few months. Not until hots comes out Eh, I wouldn't count on it. Not with David Kim at the helm. I think the only current flourishing esport is LoL. Its popularity is massive in and outside of korea, and it dominates the viewership numbers on streams. Even just one TSM player gathers over 20k viewers which rivals even full blown major sc2 tournaments. Blizzard not only killed sc2, but they killed BW and War3 as well which they should feel ashamed of. They weren't involved barely at all with the esports community of war3 or BW, and then they come along with SC2 and try to control everything so that they can make a long term profit off it and in the process they ruin it for everyone. Sc2 is fine. It's at a stable point. Just because it's not the most popular doesn't mean it's anywhere near dead. Kind of like saying Pepsi is dead because Coca-cola is more popular. Also you're comparing Blizzard games, which have had games out and played competitively and still are, before Riot was even a fucking company lol. I don't see how it's stable. It's at an all time low with teams closing left and right. Your definition of stable must be pretty interesting.. Company's die in stable climates all the time. If they aren't run well it doesn't matter how much potential money there is. Also it's at an all time low, which is predictable to anyone with an oz of business knowledge. It isn't as if it's anything anyone running tournaments and teams are shocked about. I don't really understand why you're even talking about any of this lol. You've clearly shown your lack of understanding in these areas, yet you go around speaking as if you were an expert lol. You just said sc2 is fine and that it's in a stable spot, now you bring up "companies die in stable climates all the time". Then you tell me I don't know what im talking about and then don't explain anything at all. Can't teach a blind man to see. There is nothing for you to teach, you're just some random troll that tried to sound smart and ended up completely contradicting himself.
You weren't even aware you raised the point about company's, not me lol.
Anyway I'm done arguing with you.
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On December 27 2012 02:17 AnomalySC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2012 23:36 nomyx wrote: Not surprised tbh. Wings of Liberty is at it's lowest point right now in terms of playership and viewership. Hots will surely change it, but for a company like playham it's not worth it to stick around these next few months. Not until hots comes out Eh, I wouldn't count on it. Not with David Kim at the helm. I think the only current flourishing esport is LoL. Its popularity is massive in and outside of korea, and it dominates the viewership numbers on streams. Even just one TSM player gathers over 20k viewers which rivals even full blown major sc2 tournaments. Blizzard not only killed sc2, but they killed BW and War3 as well which they should feel ashamed of. They weren't involved barely at all with the esports community of war3 or BW, and then they come along with SC2 and try to control everything so that they can make a long term profit off it and in the process they ruin it for everyone.
Yeah, I don't think SC2 will ever get the 2011 stream numbers again, but I can at least hope hots will fix SC2
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On December 23 2012 06:07 TheMooseHeed wrote: Craft cup is dead? I hadnt played it in a while but dam it was a nice cup It has been dead for the longest time ever.
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