| Castleshift Great Britain. December 17 2012 02:19. Posts 10 | Profile # |
I have been playing lone druid a lot lately in jungle however my friend (who has far more experience with DotA than I) keeps on pointing out that he is far better in lane than in jungle. I am quite new/bad at DotA and as such I have a hard time properly microing the bear and the druid in lane.
Is the advantage of playing him in lane far greater or should I stick to the jungle?
Any and all advice is much appreciated.Last edit: 2012-12-17 02:20:05 |
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| Joni_ Germany. December 17 2012 02:24. Posts 116 | Profile # |
You will get better by laning, because you will improve your micromanagement and your positioning by a large margin playing Lone Druid solo against strong dual/tri lanes.
Jungling Lone druid isn't that fast either. Since you can farm a lane relatively safely even against strong opposition, you should definitely take advantage of that !
Get down the timings of when to pull the enemies' creeps away to your tower so that you don't have to fight them. It really is key to playing Lone Druid in offlane scenarios and such. |
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| Castleshift Great Britain. December 17 2012 02:27. Posts 10 | Profile # |
| Thank you, I'll try it later tonight and keep on trying whenever I'm playing Lone Druid. |
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| DucK- Singapore. December 17 2012 03:52. Posts 259 | Profile # |
Lone Druid is a strong laner, capable of getting solo kills easily. However, afk farming in jungle tends to yield better results at a lower level. Reason being that you have an uninterrupted farming, which leads to easier acquisition of items despite Lone not being a great jungler. It's also easier to jungle, as laning requires you to micro your Bear well.
I personally prefer laning him, but both are fine in general. |
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 TheYango United States. December 17 2012 04:32. Posts 15749 | Profile # |
| LD is one of the strongest laners in the game (he's a regular ban in 1v1 tournaments), and is only mediocre as a jungler (farm speed is mediocre, doesn't have very good ganks). Jungle is easier, but laning is categorically better. |
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| Dead9 United States. December 17 2012 12:44. Posts 2325 | Profile Blog # |
laning is better but jungling isn't that bad, especially in pubs where the jungle is mostly ignored and laning isn't optimal
jungle bear should be getting radi and double boots by around 20 minutes, which isn't that much later than a laning bear
edit: the real issue is you aren't putting pressure on a lane if you're jungling, but in pubs it doesn't really matter so just do whatever worksLast edit: 2012-12-17 12:44:39 |
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| Yurie December 17 2012 15:39. Posts 2093 | Profile Blog # |
LD is better in lane, more farm and any other jungler helps more on the lane. If you are playing a pushing lane he might be legit in jungle, downside is the bear will die and you suddenly can't jungle any longer. 
Even Ursa/naix gank better than LD early game.Last edit: 2012-12-17 15:39:49 |
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| cool_slowbro Sweden. December 17 2012 15:44. Posts 46 | Profile # |
| I'd go as far as to say that LD is one of the best solo laners in the game. He can hold his own against any single hero and will perform decently in a 1v2 situation. |
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| Laserist Turkey. December 17 2012 20:38. Posts 414 | Profile # |
You need some mechanics to make hard lane LD work. If you are able to control 2 characters at the same time while not missing any cs, apply constant harass, aware of minimap & opponents' movements (it is called hard lane for a purpose), then laning is much much better. Jungle is only better when you don't have these mechanics and also would like to farm somewhat.
LD both need farm and levels, and jungle doesn't provide them fast. |
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| FoFo Netherlands. December 18 2012 04:36. Posts 161 | Profile # |
On December 17 2012 04:32 TheYango wrote:
LD is one of the strongest laners in the game (he's a regular ban in 1v1 tournaments), and is only mediocre as a jungler (farm speed is mediocre, doesn't have very good ganks). Jungle is easier, but laning is categorically better.
yup yup, pretty much this. He's one of the most powerful solo long laners because he has a lot of cute tricks he can do with the bear like pulling a wave all the way through the forest to his tower, and he scales into the late game like no other offlaner aswell as providing push for the team. There's no 'best' way to learn these tricks other than playing a lot and reading a guide or two from good sources, and i can highly recommend watching some VODS of pro matches. Burning druid is famous iirc. LDDota, bballin773 and luminous make a lot of commentarys on youtube and twitchTV, i recommend looking through them and seeing some pro players play druid on lane.
in general i would say jungling is a good way to learn the hero, as you get free farm and can focus on mid/late game micro. When you're comfortable with that and the bear micro in general go lane cause it allows you to farm a lot faster and the jungle is better spend on a different hero because of druid's ganking & farming capability earlygame.
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On December 17 2012 20:38 Laserist wrote:
You need some mechanics to make hard lane LD work. If you are able to control 2 characters at the same time while not missing any cs, apply constant harass, aware of minimap & opponents' movements (it is called hard lane for a purpose), then laning is much much better. Jungle is only better when you don't have these mechanics and also would like to farm somewhat.
LD both need farm and levels, and jungle doesn't provide them fast.
Just for the record, they call it the hard lane because you are solo in the most difficult lane (the enemy tower is much further from you). You are not expected to do well at all if you are in a high level game playing 1v2 or even 1v3, but it is necessary because putting 2 hero's there is even more dangerous (they get raped by a good trilane). You're not expected to hit much creeps at all, maybe some harrassment with bear....Last edit: 2012-12-18 04:40:18 |
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| Cyx. Canada. December 18 2012 10:24. Posts 295 | Profile # |
On December 18 2012 04:36 FoFo wrote:
Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 20:38 Laserist wrote:
You need some mechanics to make hard lane LD work. If you are able to control 2 characters at the same time while not missing any cs, apply constant harass, aware of minimap & opponents' movements (it is called hard lane for a purpose), then laning is much much better. Jungle is only better when you don't have these mechanics and also would like to farm somewhat.
LD both need farm and levels, and jungle doesn't provide them fast.
Just for the record, they call it the hard lane because you are solo in the most difficult lane (the enemy tower is much further from you). You are not expected to do well at all if you are in a high level game playing 1v2 or even 1v3, but it is necessary because putting 2 hero's there is even more dangerous (they get raped by a good trilane). You're not expected to hit much creeps at all, maybe some harrassment with bear....
That being said, his advice applies pretty well to a solo safelane lone druid - he's one of the best solo safelanes in the game because he can out-lasthit two people with the bear as well as harassing, denying, etc... and he also gets extremely powerful if he has both safe farm and safe solo levels for an extended period of time in the early game.
Lone druid is much stronger in lane than he is in the jungle except at the lower levels of pub play in my opinion, especially given a solo lane he has the potential to completely dominate both his lane and the entire game. In the jungle all he can hope for is to get okay farm. A 20min uninterrupted jungle radiance is alright if you're not playing against people who know how to farm well, but against a lone druid who can get even a 15min radiance in lane (not unreasonable considering some pros do it in 12 after tranquils and phase) it pales in comparison. |
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| Callandor Australia. December 18 2012 16:08. Posts 37 | Profile # |
Hey guys,
What's the best place to find lone druid laning replays or videos? I'm interested in skilling up my druid. Last edit: 2012-12-18 16:13:19 |
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| Unleashing Denmark. December 18 2012 16:50. Posts 2397 | Profile # |
On December 18 2012 16:08 Callandor wrote:
Hey guys,
What's the best place to find lone druid laning replays or videos? I'm interested in skilling up my druid.
Search up admiralbulldog(Not sure what his current steam name is) and his games, should be able to search by player and hero in the search system.
Or find his dota profile and look through that. |
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| ReignSupreme. Australia. December 18 2012 17:50. Posts 778 | Profile # |
Syllabear is very viable in both positions, his ganking is very easily done from low level's (with bear root, and if you have the money you can buy a basher also which only makes it easier).
He's very mobile, and you're able to pull and stack multiple creep camps at once provided you have the micro.
At early level's, you can just focus on stacking/pulling if your bear lose's HP (send him back to fountain, recall to your position instantly).
That being said he is very strong in lane, when you consider that if the enemy out-harasses you, you can pull yourself back a bit and just use bear; bear and sylla hitting the same creep does a huge amount of damage and makes it very hard to miss last-hits.
So many little tricks you can use~
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| ZerG~LegenD Sweden. December 18 2012 21:48. Posts 697 | Profile Blog # |
On December 18 2012 16:50 Unleashing wrote:
Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 16:08 Callandor wrote:
Hey guys,
What's the best place to find lone druid laning replays or videos? I'm interested in skilling up my druid.
Search up admiralbulldog(Not sure what his current steam name is) and his games, should be able to search by player and hero in the search system. Or find his dota profile and look through that.
This is his old Lone Druid account. I think he's got a new one since joining nth though. |
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| Nub4ever Canada. December 19 2012 02:48. Posts 1630 | Profile Blog # |
| He can do both quite easily. However its often considered junglign sylla as a waste of the hero as he's so strong in lane and he doesn't jungle very well. I guess laning is harder but if you're going to play that hero much, might as well learn. Also jungling lends to buying items that don't make you very useful early and you're also easily ganked. |
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| Callandor Australia. December 19 2012 16:43. Posts 37 | Profile # |
On December 18 2012 21:48 ZerG~LegenD wrote:
Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 16:50 Unleashing wrote:
On December 18 2012 16:08 Callandor wrote:
Hey guys,
What's the best place to find lone druid laning replays or videos? I'm interested in skilling up my druid.
Search up admiralbulldog(Not sure what his current steam name is) and his games, should be able to search by player and hero in the search system. Or find his dota profile and look through that.
is his old Lone Druid account. I think he's got a new one since joining nth though.
Hey I tried using his match IDs to download his games. It gives me the right games, but then it says replay unavailable. Any idea why? |
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| wherebugsgo United States. December 19 2012 16:57. Posts 7931 | Profile Blog # |
| they're too old; I tried doing that earlier today and said screw it. I settled for a Zhou replay in which he absolutely wrecked the offlane. |
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| wcLLg United States. December 19 2012 22:10. Posts 189 | Profile # |
| You'll have an easier time in the jungle most of the time but i prefer to be in lane where I can outclass my opponents and quickly push a tower down if left alone. |
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| Castleshift Great Britain. December 20 2012 00:16. Posts 10 | Profile # |
What I'm going to do is practice when I can in lane in bot games, while playing in jungle when queueing until I feel ready.
Thank you all for the advice. |
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