| Yacobs United States. December 18 2012 02:24. Posts 373 | Profile # |
| With the Spectre buff coming, I'm sure many Dota2 players will give Spectre another shot for at least one pub game. But Spectre is crap at farming. What are some strategies for overcoming this problem? Is Midas almost core on this hero? |
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| Unleashing Denmark. December 18 2012 02:49. Posts 2585 | Profile # |
Radiance.
That's really it.
For pubs some people go for drum into diffusal into manta. You can't rely on your team to let you farm a radiance and then farm your next few big items. This build lets you just fight without having to risk not getting a radiance since the build-up is shit.
I've also seen people try battlefury on her.
I prefer radiance myself since i don't pick spectre unless i have people i know to play with so getting the radiance rarely proves to be a problem.
Midas is midas, you can go for it, but you'll still need a real farming tool if you're trying to go late, and it only delays it and if you can go straight for the radiance i'd personally rather do that.Last edit: 2012-12-18 02:58:01 |
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 TheYango United States. December 18 2012 03:10. Posts 16307 | Profile # |
Pretty much Radiance.
It's one of the weak points of the hero. If she goes for earlier combat items, she loses out on farming power because she has no inherent farming ability. If she goes for Radiance, she delays her combat ability for a very long time. |
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| DucK- Singapore. December 18 2012 03:10. Posts 363 | Profile # |
In pubs, don't bother trying to rice a Radiance. You rely on your teammates too much for it.
What I do is solo middle her. Get Bottle/Urn Treads Drums -> Diffusal/Radiance. It's a gank build relying on early levels/runes to dictate momentum. The style was adopted from Pis/2009 in their videos. Many underestimate what she can do early on when she has levels. |
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| Unleashing Denmark. December 18 2012 03:27. Posts 2585 | Profile # |
On December 18 2012 03:10 TheYango wrote:
Pretty much Radiance.
It's one of the weak points of the hero. If she goes for earlier combat items, she loses out on farming power because she has no inherent farming ability. If she goes for Radiance, she delays her combat ability for a very long time.
Yea, i hope IF gets around to adress it, hopefully making her stronger in lane and reworking dagger or one of her other abilities.
Or just give us the old dispersion back.  |
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| aintz Canada. December 18 2012 04:15. Posts 3016 | Profile # |
| why would you get drums on spec? |
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| theSAiNT United Kingdom. December 18 2012 04:16. Posts 679 | Profile # |
Dispersion is still very strong in late game. She doesn't need much to get quite tanky.
Old dispersion was super broken. |
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| Erasme France. December 18 2012 04:18. Posts 4246 | Profile Blog # |
On December 18 2012 04:15 aintz wrote:
why would you get drums on spec?
? For the same reason you get it on pl. Its better than shitty vanguard, gives mana and a slight mvt speed. Also the build up is good. |
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| Unleashing Denmark. December 18 2012 04:20. Posts 2585 | Profile # |
On December 18 2012 04:15 aintz wrote:
why would you get drums on spec?
Gives her overall good stats, the move-speed is always great and it's one of the most cost-effecient items in the game.
And improves her pitiful mana pool as well. |
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| Klonere Ireland. December 18 2012 04:22. Posts 1771 | Profile Blog # |
On December 18 2012 04:15 aintz wrote:
why would you get drums on spec?
Mid game all in build, you get phase drums, try and snowball through kills/ganks with ult and team. If you don't get your items in a timely fashion/ganking gets shut down, you'll be way behind with no way to catch up and outfarm without a radiance.
Spectre needs Radiance pre-20 mins to not lose vs competent opponents. If you don't have it by then....good luck! |
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| Entertaining Canada. December 18 2012 04:23. Posts 596 | Profile # |
| you can get midas if u want. its not bad on spectre. |
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| kaNt- December 18 2012 04:31. Posts 143 | Profile # |
Radiance between 20-25 minutes is good-OK.
After radiance, what items do you like on her?Last edit: 2012-12-18 04:32:11 |
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| RuskiPanda United States. December 18 2012 04:38. Posts 832 | Profile # |
| radiance ->diffusal/heart/manta/butterfly/bkb (depending on if enemy team is right click heavy or largely magic orientated) |
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| kaNt- December 18 2012 04:46. Posts 143 | Profile # |
I don´t like diffusal too much on spec (i´m not a diffusal fan). I like to get skadi, it is a good item overall and now is even better after the recent buff. And I love the tanky build on spec, and the slow orb of skadi is pretty sick as well.
So i like to go Radi, yasha, manta, heart/skadi, butterfly/bkb. |
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| TheYango United States. December 18 2012 04:56. Posts 16307 | Profile # |
| Diffusal by and large is better than Skadi for Spec. Skadi does have tis place, but the Diffusal active is more practically useful for you (especially against lategame Ghost Scepters), and Illusions don't get the Skadi buff placer, but they do get the Diffusal orb. Haunt gains a very significant chunk of damage from Diffusal. |
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| RuskiPanda United States. December 18 2012 04:59. Posts 832 | Profile # |
| The idea behind diffusal is that 1: once you have radiance/diffusal you can pretty much ult and solo kill any support on the map with the diffusal active and force the enemy team into 4/5 man dota. 2: This is moreso with the change to spectre's ult illusions sticking around but even before that having the illusions hit everyone on the enemy team with mana burn a few times packs a lot of punch and acts like a global invoker EMP. Skadi is also one of the most expensive items in the game and the pieces don't really do much for teamfight potential until you actually finish it whereas diffusal is a lot more accessible. |
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| Klonere Ireland. December 18 2012 05:27. Posts 1771 | Profile Blog # |
Does anyone think that if you have a strong midgame mid/off laner (my stack likes to draft QoP/NS/TA alongside Spec) that you can forgo a damage item (diffu/manta/butterfly) and just go straight heart (after radi obv).
I feel that heart is the item that truly lets you shine with spec in teamfights and if you have your QoP/NS/TA putting out the big burst, spec can just roam around soaking damage and being that damned if you do damned if you don't tank? |
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| DucK- Singapore. December 18 2012 05:36. Posts 363 | Profile # |
On December 18 2012 05:27 Klonere wrote:
Does anyone think that if you have a strong midgame mid/off laner (my stack likes to draft QoP/NS/TA alongside Spec) that you can forgo a damage item (diffu/manta/butterfly) and just go straight heart (after radi obv).
I feel that heart is the item that truly lets you shine with spec in teamfights and if you have your QoP/NS/TA putting out the big burst, spec can just roam around soaking damage and being that damned if you do damned if you don't tank?
After Radiance, whether you go tank or right click damage doesn't really matter. The main thing is that you got your radiance.....
And it's fairly common to go Heart after Radiance anyway. It's either that or Diffusal in most cases. |
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| Runatir Slovakia. December 18 2012 08:10. Posts 12 | Profile # |
u dont need that much dps items apart of radiance, once u got radi tank up, your damage will come from desolate anyways..
I usually go for radi into heart into like manta/diffusial, butterfly .. the game is over by then most of the time |
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| DoNotDisturb Singapore. December 18 2012 08:19. Posts 5394 | Profile Blog # |
On December 18 2012 03:10 DucK- wrote:
In pubs, don't bother trying to rice a Radiance. You rely on your teammates too much for it.
What I do is solo middle her. Get Bottle/Urn Treads Drums -> Diffusal/Radiance. It's a gank build relying on early levels/runes to dictate momentum. The style was adopted from Pis/2009 in their videos. Many underestimate what she can do early on when she has levels.
awful mentality to have |
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