| XlorD Germany. December 22 2012 06:31. Posts 3 | Profile # |
Mod Edit: Take's official account added
Xlord:
Hey Guys,
I understand that you are confused and a bit disappointed in the decision somehow, but however to explain it:
In the first fight between my 2nd and 3rd base I took a similar fight against him (Infestor Roach on my side - and Hydra Roach on his side) and I fungaled <- the left side to fight on the right for a few seconds uncontested by the left side which couldnt move (obviously) and took the fight pretty convincingly.
I was going to do the exact same thing in the fight in front of his natural when the game dropped. I would've fight the left side (just a few hydras and roaches) and fungaled the right side (the main army). I also had 5 roaches at his 4th base (it was gone basically) while my base was up already. So the game was mine and I knew that.
However I understand that there are some discussions about the situatiuation and games were also lost while having this kind of lead - but I played really solid in both games in my opinion.
I am really disappointed that the game had to end like this (connection somehow broke) and I am sad aswell, since now I seem like a bad mannered player.
I am happy to see stephano making it out of the group and I would like to face him again while HSC VI and I appreciate his courage, to agree to the Win as it stands.
I hope you guys enjoy the remaining games and playoffs tomorrow - I will try my best and I hope I wont be "mindfucked" tomorrow.
I also feel sorry for DIMAGA and Snute, to be put in such a situation
thx for reading.
Take:
On December 22 2012 07:23 TaKeSeN wrote:
Hey this is what i wrote on reddit.
Hello everyone i would like to give some of my own thoughts:
First of all we do have 2 Admins for this tournament and they run the tournament all day long. Before we were discussing the disconnect live on stream we have been talking to xlord and Stephano offcamera and i was talking to one of the admins what he thinks and at some point i saw that this situation is however you call it not fair for one of the players and from my memories i had a tournament in mind which was big too where we had 3 Players who could decide if its a regame or not. We would let them vote secretly and get the best possible decision (from my point of view cause these guys have the biggest knowledge about the game)
I asked Stephano/Xlord if this is okay for them and they actually liked the idea. So why should i not do it? In the rules it usually say that the admin has the last word and he can even change the rules spontaneously.
I think i could and should have decided it faster but this was a very bad situation for me cause this is homestorycup and usually all players are nice to each other and i didn t wanna have anyone with bad feelings and put up the best solution. So for this i want to appologize it made it bigger than it should have been.
I know that this was probably abit of a emotional answer by alex but i think and hope that i can talk to you in private and fix this situation.
I also want to mention one thing in alot of leagues when it s not over 100% you decide a regame but if the players agree on a result its over. Stephano said twice to xlord once live in the camera and once off camera that if he wants the win he can take it.
All together is just a shit situation and i m happy for Stephano that he still advanced. I talked to him after the MMA series and at least he told me that i shouldnt be sad or have bad feelings cause now thats what i actually have.
Sorry to all of you if this somehow fucked you up. I will not let this happen again.
Thanks for your time and i hope you can somehow understand my situation.
//Dennis
It was not perfect and i can understand that some people are angry and upset. This won t happen again.
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| MisterFred United States. December 22 2012 06:34. Posts 1817 | Profile # |
I thought you completely deserved the win. It seemed obvious you had a nearly insurmountable lead. Of course we're all disappointed that we didn't get a couple of minutes more action.
Frankly I'd have been upset if the admins had forced a regame. They made the right decision to hand you the win.Last edit: 2012-12-22 06:38:19 |
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| Hardigan Switzerland. December 22 2012 06:34. Posts 1297 | Profile # |
the games had to be discussed for more than 10 sec.
Hence: regame |
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| PixelNite France. December 22 2012 06:34. Posts 832 | Profile # | |
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| bertu Brazil. December 22 2012 06:34. Posts 584 | Profile # |
| Thank you for posting this. As a competitor, you should never feel ashamed to ask the rules to be enforced. This doesn't make you bad mannered at all. GL tomorrow! |
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| Connor987 United Kingdom. December 22 2012 06:34. Posts 82 | Profile # |
| Hi XlorD and respect for posting so soon after this to try and explain, I agree with some points you make and you played well and would of most likely taken it, however I think HSC is a community event, people want to see good games and games they know were over, when Snute said about the bo5 I was sure you'd be fine with it but you just basically lost it, fair enough there is money involved and I know its not easy for upcoming progamers but I think for the fans and the general atmosphere of the tournament you should of accepted a bo5 |
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| Integra Sweden. December 22 2012 06:35. Posts 4924 | Profile Blog # |
| Problem, was the way it was handled, you can't blame any of the players in this situation. The admins are suppose to lead and make a decisions regarding this. They are the ones that fucked up. Instead we get fucked up drama with players and casters arguing on air and players posting stuff defending themselves afterwards. Last edit: 2012-12-22 06:36:38 |
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| Kenny_oro Germany. December 22 2012 06:35. Posts 348 | Profile # |
You're not seen as bad mannered for playing a good game. The disconnect wasn't your fault.
But what's the pont of arguing with the casters which already were forced in the uncomfortable situation to make a decission.
You should've just leaned back to wait for the decission instead of arguing with TLO on stream like a madman.
If you're that confident in your skill - why not just take the 20 and extend it to the BO5?
Nobody argued about your lead in that game - But a lead doesn't mean freewin. You should know that. |
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| boombox7 Germany. December 22 2012 06:35. Posts 18 | Profile # |
| It´s all good, XLord advanced Stephano advanced. |
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| dcemuser United States. December 22 2012 06:37. Posts 2768 | Profile # |
The admins were the ones who handled this badly.
They should have taken opinions from a few players off-stream in private if they were not confident making the call themselves. |
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| Kenny_oro Germany. December 22 2012 06:37. Posts 348 | Profile # |
On December 22 2012 06:35 boombox7 wrote:
It´s all good, XLord advanced Stephano advanced.
MMA could've advanced too if the game whould've been a regame or 2-0 lead to BO5 .. |
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| Borsti Germany. December 22 2012 06:38. Posts 28 | Profile # |
| Everyone could see that stephano did not agree with your win cause he thought you won, he just gave you the win cause he was annoyed by all the discussion going on. Last edit: 2012-12-22 06:38:41 |
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| zul Germany. December 22 2012 06:38. Posts 4051 | Profile Blog # |
| nice move of you to explain yourself, but tbh I dont even see the need for that. A regame was offered, stephano declined it as he knew he lost and so you won. End of story. Disconnects still suck though. |
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| glzElectromaster Japan. December 22 2012 06:38. Posts 1434 | Profile Blog # |
I won't give you heat for arguing intensely. It's quite common in competitive sports. Conceding easily isn't necessarily the best attitude.
Although I do think the lack of administrative decision making made the atmosphere worse, as it's supposed to be a friendly event. |
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| Chroome Germany. December 22 2012 06:38. Posts 6 | Profile Blog # |
I think almost everyone in your position would have want the win instead of bo5 or regame.
I personaly can understand both points of view and to be honest i would had decide the same like you did.
Hope to see more games like against Stephano ( just without disconnect)
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| Solarsail United Kingdom. December 22 2012 06:38. Posts 523 | Profile # |
Either decision wouldn't have reflected badly on you.
Standing there arguing (and looking like you persuaded the admins to change their decision based on nothing but emotional appeal) was the problem. |
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| derElbe Germany. December 22 2012 06:39. Posts 332 | Profile # |
i think regame would be just a thing of fairplay.
anyway you were far ahead. |
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| cythaze December 22 2012 06:39. Posts 252 | Profile # |
| Should have made it a bo9 so Xlord could have 5-0ed Stephano |
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| nath United States. December 22 2012 06:40. Posts 1315 | Profile Blog # |
| imo its not really a big deal. people getting mad at xlord for being vocal about it clearly have never competed in anything that takes a lot of effort. you become a different person and cannot be blamed for feeling the possibility of an unfair outcome after you competed, gave your all, SHOWED YOUR STRATEGIES (fuck the stupid fucking people who say he should have taken a bo5, that is ridiculous, stephano would have won and not necessarily because hes better but because of the mental advantage, anyone would know that, its like parting vs mkp in team league), and know that even though leads like the one he had were sometimes lost, in the moment you know, how focused you are, how you are playing, he knew he was going to win and anyone who knows about the game would also know this, hes not going to right click his infestors into stephano's natural and lose them all...so he was going to win. |
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| synd Bulgaria. December 22 2012 06:40. Posts 288 | Profile # |
On December 22 2012 06:35 Kenny_oro wrote:
You're not seen as bad mannered for playing a good game. The disconnect wasn't your fault.
But what's the pont of arguing with the casters which already were forced in the uncomfortable situation to make a decission.
You should've just leaned back to wait for the decission instead of arguing with TLO on stream like a madman.
If you're that confident in your skill - why not just take the 20 and extend it to the BO5?
Nobody argued about your lead in that game - But a lead doesn't mean freewin. You should know that.
TL;DR version - "I say that you aren't bad mannered but arguing like a gypsy at a market for a free win, means that you are indeed a bad mannered player relying on free wins"
Yep, I totally support that thinking too, Kenny_oro |
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