| Semmo Korea (South). January 06 2013 14:17. Posts 396 | Profile # |
[M] (4) Space Circuit
Playable: 148x148
Tileset: Castanar + Braxis Alpha Manmade Cliff
Published: Nowhere
Overview:
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/04iRi.jpg)
Bases:
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The Neutral 4th base. The cliff can be used for harassment and also leads (Small Unit Entrance) to the natural expansion.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Zsf87.png)
The Back expansion is temporarily a mineral only, like the original; However, rocks can be broken to become a full expansion.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/uo0af.png)
The back expansion's backdoor is blocked by 2 supply depots; this means 6 pool won't arrive in time, etc, but early-midgame harassment is definitely possible. However, a full army cannot pass through here, as the defender has so much advantage. and even a roach can hit siege tanks from the high ground. The entrance can be blocked with 3 pylons.
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The natural expansion. it's a bit more risky with 3x ramp, and the small unit entrance. One can put a zealot in the entrance, or simcity it like so. It can be FFE'd with 3 gateways and 1 zealot.
Comments:
Hi. Back with another 4p map. It is a reinterpretation of Electric Circuit, a BW map.
This time, the theme is Macro and harassment.
Although there are easy to hold bases, harassment is quite easy as well.
There are holding points using bridges that give the defender an advantage, and the route to the center is through bridges as well; hopefully this feature and the ways of harassment will discourage death balls and give defender's advantage.
Last edit: 2013-01-07 13:21:08 |
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| Quakecomm United States. January 06 2013 14:20. Posts 139 | Profile # |
| I love the creativity, but I feel that the second main entrance be difficult to deal with for some lower level players. Overall great work though! |
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| Semmo Korea (South). January 06 2013 14:33. Posts 396 | Profile # |
On January 06 2013 14:20 Quakecomm wrote:
I love the creativity, but I feel that the second main entrance be difficult to deal with for some lower level players. Overall great work though!
Thanks for the comment.
Yeah, that's the problem with concept maps really, the pros will be able to play on it but if you can't fully utilize the concepts, you are at a disadvantage. It kinda forces you to play the map. |
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| Drake Merrwin Canada. January 06 2013 15:20. Posts 130 | Profile # |
I'd love to see some FFE timings on this map. When 6 pools hits at each entrance etc. Because lets face it, these are much worse options than most but not like most other maps where the nat sucks. It's not some silly open nat where you simply cannot expand with a forge. IDK. Only testing will tell.
I'll put in my monthly spot light and see how the rest of reddit and TL feel.Last edit: 2013-01-06 15:21:21 |
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| EatThePath United States. January 06 2013 17:11. Posts 2443 | Profile Blog # |
| Really like the combination of quirks here. But essentially you just have an egregious 3base turtle map. Also, I'd take out the tower because the alternate routes are so cramped as it is. |
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| Semmo Korea (South). January 06 2013 18:13. Posts 396 | Profile # |
Eat// actually there has been too much harassment that im considering removing some of the paths. It is possible to harass very effectively. Not much turtle as well as if you take a forward position you can deal with harass better.
Even if you turtle, you'll need to keep moving your army if there is a lot of harassment.
Should be better than calm before the storm, anyhow.Last edit: 2013-01-06 18:17:31 |
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| TheFish7 United States. January 06 2013 18:22. Posts 1205 | Profile # |
| This is really cool and different. I wish I had some good feedback to give but I am afraid I don't know how it would play out. |
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| Quakecomm United States. January 07 2013 06:31. Posts 139 | Profile # |
| Any plans to publish on NA? I'd love to play test this map. |
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| Fatam January 07 2013 06:40. Posts 934 | Profile # |
| Cool. I love backdoor/harassy stuff. I'm not sure about the rocks on the back expansion. It makes no sense to cover 2 geysers and 0 minerals because that favors the shit out of terran. The rocks should cover 4 minerals and 1 geyser. |
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| EatThePath United States. January 07 2013 08:27. Posts 2443 | Profile Blog # |
On January 07 2013 06:31 Quakecomm wrote:
Any plans to publish on NA? I'd love to play test this map.
Diito!
On January 07 2013 06:40 Fatam wrote:
Cool. I love backdoor/harassy stuff. I'm not sure about the rocks on the back expansion. It makes no sense to cover 2 geysers and 0 minerals because that favors the shit out of terran. The rocks should cover 4 minerals and 1 geyser.
Actually it makes it so that zerg has to build some units/not have map presence before they take 6 geysers. Should be fine I think.
On January 06 2013 18:13 Semmo wrote:
Eat// actually there has been too much harassment that im considering removing some of the paths. It is possible to harass very effectively. Not much turtle as well as if you take a forward position you can deal with harass better.
Even if you turtle, you'll need to keep moving your army if there is a lot of harassment.
Should be better than calm before the storm, anyhow.
Well the problem isn't whether defending 3 bases is interesting or active, just that it's easy to take a fast 3rd and then based on that, sit tight until you are ready to push, optionally putting a 4th down behind the push. But yeah, better than calm. |
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| Fatam January 07 2013 09:36. Posts 934 | Profile # |
Actually it makes it so that zerg has to build some units/not have map presence before they take 6 geysers. Should be fine I think.
With 4m1g blocked they could only get 5 geysers not all 6. And also, we shouldn't just look at how to keep zerg down when we balance things, even though they are the slightly more powerful race atm. There's for instance, TvP to look at, where T would benefit from an 8m0g base a lot more than P.Last edit: 2013-01-07 09:49:35 |
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| Semmo Korea (South). January 07 2013 10:34. Posts 396 | Profile # |
On January 07 2013 09:36 Fatam wrote:
Show nested quote +Actually it makes it so that zerg has to build some units/not have map presence before they take 6 geysers. Should be fine I think.
With 4m1g blocked they could only get 5 geysers not all 6. And also, we shouldn't just look at how to keep zerg down when we balance things, even though they are the slightly more powerful race atm. There's for instance, TvP to look at, where T would benefit from an 8m0g base a lot more than P.
You can't do 4m 1g and things like that, because the workers bug out. and Gas Geysers are more important to block imo (balance on the protoss side), and the workers don't bug out from gas blocked.
Also maybe you should watch the games more, by the time protoss normally gets 3 bases the rocks are really nothing for them. Doesn't affect much. And toss is THE race that wants to 3 base turtle the most, anyways.Last edit: 2013-01-07 10:50:08 |
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| Fatam January 07 2013 11:48. Posts 934 | Profile # |
Didn't know rocks blocking minerals bugged workers out, had never tried it. That's too bad.
But if that base is always going to be taken as a 3rd (I was thinking you might wall your front ramp and take it as a nat in some circumstances..) then there's not much point in having the rocks at all, so our discussion is silly. Even a zerg going quick 3 base won't normally take his 5th and 6th geysers for a while.. you're maybe delaying his gases by 20 or 30 sec, not a big impact, if he knows the map he can just take his 3rd and 4th gas slightly earlier to compensate. |
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| Semmo Korea (South). January 07 2013 12:37. Posts 396 | Profile # |
On January 07 2013 11:48 Fatam wrote:
Didn't know rocks blocking minerals bugged workers out, had never tried it. That's too bad.
But if that base is always going to be taken as a 3rd (I was thinking you might wall your front ramp and take it as a nat in some circumstances..) then there's not much point in having the rocks at all, so our discussion is silly. Even a zerg going quick 3 base won't normally take his 5th and 6th geysers for a while.. you're maybe delaying his gases by 20 or 30 sec, not a big impact, if he knows the map he can just take his 3rd and 4th gas slightly earlier to compensate.
No, many people take it as natural instead (sometimes 3rd) because it's easier to defend that than the natural + backdoor. So it is relevant.
I did this so that the Zerg would actually have to get an army with the third out. both for backdoor of opponent and also for breaking rocks. |
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| EatThePath United States. January 07 2013 19:35. Posts 2443 | Profile Blog # |
| Semmo, one thing that just occurred to me is that cannon rush from the natural mineral/cliff up into the main would be a giant pain. You might want to move the minerals in the main base, or no-build behind the natural mineral line, or something. |
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