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but I won't disappear.
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On March 10 2013 14:49 Ver wrote: Howdy Gents! I'm going for a little challenge this game and plan on winning the game without reading my role pm. As not even I will know my motivations, nobody else can judge me. Armed with this power I shall stop the town from becoming an idiocracy. I'm also considering giving myself another Personality to assist my efforts in keeping the town in order. I'll keep you all updated. Rage Raaaaaaaaaaaage | ||
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On March 10 2013 23:04 Acrofales wrote: Show nested quote + On March 10 2013 14:49 Ver wrote: Howdy Gents! I'm going for a little challenge this game and plan on winning the game without reading my role pm. As not even I will know my motivations, nobody else can judge me. Armed with this power I shall stop the town from becoming an idiocracy. I'm also considering giving myself another Personality to assist my efforts in keeping the town in order. I'll keep you all updated. Only scum or Drazerk ever tries to pull this stunt. ##vote Ver If by "this stunt" you mean exactly what you just did just now then yes. | ||
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On March 11 2013 03:39 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On March 11 2013 03:35 VisceraEyes wrote: Too many unskilled newbies. I think you should expand on that BloodyC0bbler. I have a different view - that there are proportionally more skilled veteran players in this game than in most of the games played recently, not less. Not that it changes anything about your other observations - that just means that there will be more "nothing important going on in the thread" at least early on. So do you think scum are going to be using their personality as a crutch to blend in in this setup? I think so - I think most of them are going to focus on roleplaying, it's pretty much a thing where you have to pick too - do I make a post sounding like X or do I make a post trying to find scum? simple. Ive been around longer than basically everyone thus everyone is unskilled newbie compared to me. Given that nothing is going on and based on years of observation and conversation I know ver at this point should have more than a fluff post and sloosh only has a /in post. His posting decreases substantially to the point of non existence only when non town. Given that (for now as the day is less than 24 hours in length) both these players meet meta reasons for being scum they are scum. When they change this in a way that I believe isn't total bullshit then I might revisit my opinion. oh god who gave BC ace who thought that would be a good idea | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On March 10 2013 23:18 supersoft wrote: Show nested quote + On March 10 2013 23:13 supersoft wrote: On March 10 2013 23:11 Oatsmaster wrote: On March 10 2013 23:07 supersoft wrote: On March 10 2013 22:48 Mocsta wrote: On March 10 2013 22:44 marvellosity wrote: stop answering questions with questions. pray tell me what i am 'twisting' I never told SS his vote was wrong. I was curious he was agreeing with iamp so freely, over a bullshit post; and chose to prod for information. If every post is meant to have meaning, what was the point of a +1 for iamps post anyways? Thats the information I seek. You interject by saying I am telling SS how to play. That couldn't be further from the truth Marv. + Show Spoiler + *As an aside: Regardless of themed gamed or not; I have respect for the vets on this forum. I wouldn't actually do what you were insinuating. I am slightly insulted you would jump to that conclusion immediately.* I was actually aiming at his list and his statement that there is "a" mafia in that list. I don't like these statements very much. When I am scum, I am trying to obscure these numbers. Lynching because of balancing reasons is a pretty successful town-strategy. If you manage to fool the town on the number of vets in the scumteam, you can turn the balancing-reasoning against the town. So do you think Iamp is scum cause of that? Also he basically listed all the vets. Except you. How is that trying to manipulate town? I already said, that i agree with the rest of his post. Therefor he's still 0 rather town to me... okay, i want to be more specific about this. You guys refuse to think and ruin my approach to the game with that behaviour. I quoted Iamps post. I saw the slight possibilitly of antitown manipulation because of the "a". However I liked the reast of the post. I hoped that someone understands what I am doing, agrees with me, or disagrees with me. What i didn't hope was, that you guys get me wrong all the time, because you don't read carefully. Show nested quote + On March 10 2013 23:07 supersoft wrote: On March 10 2013 22:48 Mocsta wrote: On March 10 2013 22:44 marvellosity wrote: stop answering questions with questions. pray tell me what i am 'twisting' I never told SS his vote was wrong. I was curious he was agreeing with iamp so freely, over a bullshit post; and chose to prod for information. If every post is meant to have meaning, what was the point of a +1 for iamps post anyways? Thats the information I seek. You interject by saying I am telling SS how to play. That couldn't be further from the truth Marv. + Show Spoiler + *As an aside: Regardless of themed gamed or not; I have respect for the vets on this forum. I wouldn't actually do what you were insinuating. I am slightly insulted you would jump to that conclusion immediately.* I was actually aiming at his list and his statement that there is "a" mafia in that list. I don't like these statements very much. When I am scum, I am trying to obscure these numbers. Lynching because of balancing reasons is a pretty successful town-strategy. If you manage to fool the town on the number of vets in the scumteam, you can turn the balancing-reasoning against the town. look at my post. I never said that Iamp necessarily wanted to that and I never said he's scum. I am just entertaining possibilities there. We're super-early day1. I just wanted to note that statement, and I wanted to watch how he follows that stuff up. If he's scum, you ruined my trap, because I already explained everything about it. "I did something stupid but it was a trap and you ruined it by calling it stupid and making me explain that it was a trap" this is either brilliant roleplaying of Palmar or a scummy attempt to cover up | ||
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Exhibit One: Scum Are Inconsistent And Go After Easy Targets On March 10 2013 18:54 Oatsmaster wrote: Show nested quote + On March 10 2013 18:42 Oatsmaster wrote: Iamp what are you doing after that ridiculous list post which says NOTHING? My mistake, he went to sleep. I still dont like how he wasnt involved in the discussion beforehand, not like spammy Iamp. So he starts out with a decent reason to be suspicious of iamperfection - big list post, not involved like his usual meta. But then we see him latch on to mocsta for some reason: On March 10 2013 22:37 Oatsmaster wrote: Yeah. Where is the jovial mocsta that spams up half the thread. Come on. ##Vote: Mocsta + Show Spoiler [mocsta's posts the page before t…] + On March 10 2013 21:01 Mocsta wrote: Show nested quote + On March 10 2013 16:26 iamperfection wrote: Do we agree with me that yamatos start is more of a town tell? Do we agree that ve's misread of the situation is a point showing that he may in fact be scum? No & No No points for you. On March 10 2013 22:19 Mocsta wrote: Show nested quote + On March 10 2013 16:26 iamperfection wrote: Do we agree with me that yamatos start is more of a town tell? Do we agree that ve's misread of the situation is a point showing that he may in fact be scum? Show nested quote + On March 10 2013 22:06 supersoft wrote: I agree on everything <...> of your post though... Channeling Oatsmaster Expound. Channeling personality Most of us are trying to simulate our personalities. Why so too eager to white knight Iamp/Yamato. On March 10 2013 22:25 Mocsta wrote: Show nested quote + On March 10 2013 22:21 Oatsmaster wrote: I do not use the word expound. Mocsta start playing the damn game. What do you think about Ver's unimpressive entry and subsequent no posts. Also what do you think of marv. Who is your top scumread. Stop being stupid: you use expound all the time. Half the thread hasn't posted, and its all talking shit. If you want a top read so far: iamp post reads like the most bullshit to me - lists half the player list and says: "a scum must be there"... no shit sherlock Ver; made one post and its dumb as fuck, and so what? Maybe its a forced personality post? What more is there to make of it then that? Sounds to me like you know something I don't, or something? Expound. On March 10 2013 22:26 Mocsta wrote: Yeah, yamato done nothing special and you giving him a town read. Way too eager. On March 10 2013 22:35 Mocsta wrote: Show nested quote + On March 10 2013 22:30 supersoft wrote: On March 10 2013 22:26 Mocsta wrote: On March 10 2013 22:22 supersoft wrote: are you talking to me? Yeah, yamato done nothing special and you giving him a town read. Way too eager. i am not explaining my townreads right now. you explain me why yamato is scum if you think so. I dont need you to explain townreads. yam isnt scum or town for me. hes still sitting at null. 0 points for him, 0 points for you. Really? Oatsmaster thinks that's not "spammy" or "jovial," and that it's different enough from mocsta's jovial and spammy meta to earn a vote? I don't buy it. Then there's some stupid back and forth between oats and mocsta, and then oats goes on to looking at other stuff. But look at the difference between how oats interacted with suspicion on iamperfection and suspicion on mocsta. He claimed that they were both not playing to their town metas, but whereas at the time iamperfection actually wasn't matching his meta, oats's portrayal of mocsta's behavior this game was both curt and inaccurate. Plus, iamperfection had the bad listy intro post, which oats also claimed he was suspicious of. Then a bit later in the filter, we get this: On March 10 2013 23:35 Oatsmaster wrote: Guys. Mocsta. Sheep me, lynch him nonono seriously? no explanation of how the actions in the thread since the initial vote influences the read? No explanation of why people should still be going after mocsta? So what's the difference between iamperfection and mocsta? Well, simply put - one of them is a much easier target. Iamperfection does tend to attract some suspicion as town, so he's a safe target for dispersed suspicion, but he's better-known and more veteran than mocsta, and therefore more likely to be influential and a more dangerous target for scum to go all in on. Mocsta, on the other hand, is someone I've never heard of before and therefore a newer player, plus from his behavior this game he seems less focused and srsbsns than iamperfection in response to suspicion. Exhibit Two: Scum Love To Give Good Advice To Town, But Hate To Follow It This is something I started looking for in the couple of games before I stopped playing for a while. "advice posts", be they long or short, are easy for scum to do, as is complaining about how the town is behaving. However, when a townie gives advice or criticism to/of the town in general, it means they care enough about that particular issue or problem to try to get everyone to focus on it. That also means they'll be thinking about it in their own posts. Basically: Townies follow their own advice, scum don't. We have Oats's very first post: On March 10 2013 18:42 Oatsmaster wrote: Show nested quote + On March 10 2013 18:06 supersoft wrote: Ver is probably claiming a certain personality. Yup. Although there has been absolute bullshit from the players so far. Seriously NOTHING except personal attacks and other annoying, non-alignment indicative scum. Iamp what are you doing after that ridiculous list post which says NOTHING? Personal attacks bad, back-and-forth bad, non-alignment indicative stuff bad. Okay, those are all good things for townies to be thinking about. We can summarize this as "don't engage in personal bitchfights because they distract the thread and don't help demonstrate that you're town." So how does Oats do putting his posts where his mouth is? He starts off spamming around and not engaging the thread: + Show Spoiler + On March 10 2013 21:29 Oatsmaster wrote: Lynch anyone who doesnt add anything to the thread in their opening post after like 7 pages of content. New policy. On March 10 2013 22:44 Oatsmaster wrote: Show nested quote + On March 10 2013 22:25 Mocsta wrote: On March 10 2013 22:21 Oatsmaster wrote: I do not use the word expound. Mocsta start playing the damn game. What do you think about Ver's unimpressive entry and subsequent no posts. Also what do you think of marv. Who is your top scumread. Stop being stupid: you use expound all the time. Half the thread hasn't posted, and its all talking shit. If you want a top read so far: iamp post reads like the most bullshit to me - lists half the player list and says: "a scum must be there"... no shit sherlock Ver; made one post and its dumb as fuck, and so what? Maybe its a forced personality post? What more is there to make of it then that? Sounds to me like you know something I don't, or something? Expound. I dont see any questions here. This is not a question cause it doesnt ask ANYTHING. On March 10 2013 21:55 Oatsmaster wrote: Im gonna use this quote cause its awesome Show nested quote + On February 07 2013 08:29 VisceraEyes wrote: Why aren't you doing shit? You can't be scared of NKs, it's like you don't give a fuck. And in my experience a Marv that doesn't give a fuck is a scum Marv ..and I hate scum. I FUCKING HATE SCUM Marv Then he gets into a personal-attack bitchfight with mocsta + Show Spoiler + On March 10 2013 22:21 Oatsmaster wrote: I do not use the word expound. Mocsta start playing the damn game. What do you think about Ver's unimpressive entry and subsequent no posts. Also what do you think of marv. Who is your top scumread. On March 10 2013 22:37 Oatsmaster wrote: Yeah. Where is the jovial mocsta that spams up half the thread. Come on. ##Vote: Mocsta On March 10 2013 22:44 Oatsmaster wrote: Show nested quote + On March 10 2013 22:25 Mocsta wrote: On March 10 2013 22:21 Oatsmaster wrote: I do not use the word expound. Mocsta start playing the damn game. What do you think about Ver's unimpressive entry and subsequent no posts. Also what do you think of marv. Who is your top scumread. Stop being stupid: you use expound all the time. Half the thread hasn't posted, and its all talking shit. If you want a top read so far: iamp post reads like the most bullshit to me - lists half the player list and says: "a scum must be there"... no shit sherlock Ver; made one post and its dumb as fuck, and so what? Maybe its a forced personality post? What more is there to make of it then that? Sounds to me like you know something I don't, or something? Expound. I dont see any questions here. This is not a question cause it doesnt ask ANYTHING. On March 10 2013 22:59 Oatsmaster wrote: Show nested quote + On March 10 2013 22:56 Mocsta wrote: On March 10 2013 22:52 Oatsmaster wrote: I ask you, because I think its weird and odd and what you thought.,.. You are being prickly and defensive as shit. Why? Also Is A LOT of interest 1 question to 1 person? I dont think so. If you haven't noticed. I am writing completely different. (- normally much more verbose) I am not matching the personality meta completely, but its quite a mind-set change for me. Whose your scummiest guy so far. Considering vote is on me, lets change to; whose your 2nd scummiest guy? Iamp. But again I said that already. Or you are scum Mocsta Dont give me shit about not matching your scum meta. Why is it such a big issue that Marv thinks you are telling supersoft how to play? On March 10 2013 22:52 Oatsmaster wrote: I ask you, because I think its weird and odd and what you thought.,.. You are being prickly and defensive as shit. Why? Also Is A LOT of interest 1 question to 1 person? I dont think so. Then there's some personal bitching at acro: + Show Spoiler + On March 10 2013 23:06 Oatsmaster wrote: Show nested quote + On March 10 2013 23:04 Acrofales wrote: On March 10 2013 14:49 Ver wrote: Howdy Gents! I'm going for a little challenge this game and plan on winning the game without reading my role pm. As not even I will know my motivations, nobody else can judge me. Armed with this power I shall stop the town from becoming an idiocracy. I'm also considering giving myself another Personality to assist my efforts in keeping the town in order. I'll keep you all updated. Only scum or Drazerk ever tries to pull this stunt. ##vote Ver Thats a horrible reason to think someone is scum. Seriously do you think he is serious? Also arent you of the opinion that vets shouldnt be lynched day 1 unless scum claim in thread? On March 10 2013 23:52 Oatsmaster wrote: Show nested quote + On March 10 2013 23:51 Acrofales wrote: On March 10 2013 23:06 Oatsmaster wrote: On March 10 2013 23:04 Acrofales wrote: On March 10 2013 14:49 Ver wrote: Howdy Gents! I'm going for a little challenge this game and plan on winning the game without reading my role pm. As not even I will know my motivations, nobody else can judge me. Armed with this power I shall stop the town from becoming an idiocracy. I'm also considering giving myself another Personality to assist my efforts in keeping the town in order. I'll keep you all updated. Only scum or Drazerk ever tries to pull this stunt. ##vote Ver Thats a horrible reason to think someone is scum. Seriously do you think he is serious? Also arent you of the opinion that vets shouldnt be lynched day 1 unless scum claim in thread? That's stupid. Ver dropped in to tell us he hasn't read his role pm. Now you can believe him, in which case he is probably worth keeping around. However the chance is bigger that he is NOT rping Drazerk and HAS read his pm. Now that means he is lying and giving himself an excuse to act any way he chooses. Who needs excuses like that? Scum. I was looking forward to playing with Ver, but if he's scum, we should kill him. Or he was kidding, and roleplaying. Its one fucking post. Is he really the scummiest person so far? And Kurumi + Show Spoiler + On March 11 2013 00:11 Oatsmaster wrote: Kurumi, You know Chez is actually useful as town right? On March 11 2013 00:53 Oatsmaster wrote: Kurumi, do you actually have any reads? Or are you just intent on trolling the thread. Then we get another piece of "town advice" On March 11 2013 01:10 Oatsmaster wrote: Show nested quote + On March 11 2013 01:08 marvellosity wrote: I'm pretty much with risk on this one. I have no idea what Acro thinks he's doing with this Ver stuff. Ver pretty explicitly said he wouldn't have much time for the game until Monday as well. And yet Acro actually has his vote on him; he wants to kill potentially one of town's strongest assets. I can't really tell if this makes Acro mafia or just very silly. Who is scum? No reads = scum. Okay sure - if you aren't presenting and pushing your reads, then you're scum. Not always true but a completely valid way to play as town. If we combine that with Oatsmaster's earlier complaints about personal attacks and non-alignment-indicative fluff and bickering, we get a pretty strong philosophy of town play. One that is absolutely nothing like how oatsmaster has been playing this game. Go back and look again at the posts I put in the spoilers above about him getting into personal bitchfights. There's the Mocsta stuff, where we learn that Oats "has a read" and that his read is "mocsta is scum because he's not jovial or spammy", followed by like five unnecessary other posts as Oats lets himself be drawn into you-said you-said with mocsta. But other than that one post, and one post where he says he has a read on iamperfection, what discussion of his reads do we get? What reads do we get at all, other than the two "scum reads" he made in like his first three posts based on the first few pages of the game? What interaction with all the new information that's come up in the thread? What does Oats think about Kurumi and WBG? Given how much he wants substantive posts involving reads, you'd think he would have told us his reads on them at some point during the several posts he makes about them and aimed at them. But nope - we don't. In fact, he goes out of his way to avoid pointing to either of them as scum: + Show Spoiler + On March 11 2013 01:34 Oatsmaster wrote: Show nested quote + On March 11 2013 01:32 yamato77 wrote: My question wasn't stupid. I feel like one of them is probably mafia, given the nature of their posting. One is almost assuredly hiding with the other in the "Chezinu" category of unreadable players. It's a valid mafia strategy if we, as town, allow it. So what do you propose, how do you determine the scummyness of one over the other? Since you feel that both cant be mafia and one probably is. It is also a valid town strategy to avoid night kills. His only "reads" are ill-thought out, ill-explained, and inconsistent. He complains / gives advice about the prevalence of certain specific poor townplay practices, then engages in exactly those practices himself. These are both characteristic scum behaviors and both have clear scum motivations. Oatsmaster is scum. ##vote: Oatsmaster | ||
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On March 11 2013 04:37 VisceraEyes wrote: Agree with risk. SnB which do YOU think it is? What is your reasoning for making the choice you did? Honestly, I hadn't really thought that much about it besides wanting to point it out as either a good or bad post. That said, there's really like nothing else in his filter. At least once Palmar's plan goes bust, he usually jumps into taking the game seriously. Assuming he's gotten past his regular troll phase. SuperSoft hasn't done that. He also only has town reads, and he's clearly been following the thread closely enough to comment on which posts other people have been talking about (ex: On March 10 2013 23:10 supersoft wrote: Show nested quote + On March 10 2013 23:04 Acrofales wrote: On March 10 2013 14:49 Ver wrote: Howdy Gents! I'm going for a little challenge this game and plan on winning the game without reading my role pm. As not even I will know my motivations, nobody else can judge me. Armed with this power I shall stop the town from becoming an idiocracy. I'm also considering giving myself another Personality to assist my efforts in keeping the town in order. I'll keep you all updated. Only scum or Drazerk ever tries to pull this stunt. ##vote Ver read the thread. Risk already quoted "notchezinu" (that was GMarshals smurf, right?) ) Ooh ooh and I just saw this: [QUOTE]On March 11 2013 03:44 supersoft wrote: [QUOTE]On March 11 2013 03:41 VisceraEyes wrote: Ah man wtf that didn't answer my question at all but I still loved that post X( WHO IS THIS GUY?![/QUOTE] you shoulnd't ask yourself that question. The proper question is, are his reads reasonable or not.[/QUOTE woo, giving advice and not following it! This is a decent paradigm! But he himself has no reads except town reads and [QUOTE]On March 10 2013 22:30 supersoft wrote: [QUOTE]On March 10 2013 22:26 Mocsta wrote: [QUOTE]On March 10 2013 22:22 supersoft wrote: are you talking to me?[/QUOTE] Yeah, yamato done nothing special and you giving him a town read. Way too eager.[/QUOTE] i am not explaining my townreads right now. you explain me why yamato is scum if you think so.[/QUOTE] All that said, I still am willing to give him leeway if this bad-plan-thing turns out to be roleplaying, or if his play veers towards the townie in the future. So the answer to your question, VE, is: Right now I'm leaning scum on him, but I feel better about my oatsmaster case so I'm sticking to that. | ||
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On March 11 2013 05:09 strongandbig wrote: Show nested quote + On March 11 2013 04:37 VisceraEyes wrote: Agree with risk. SnB which do YOU think it is? What is your reasoning for making the choice you did? Honestly, I hadn't really thought that much about it besides wanting to point it out as either a good or bad post. That said, there's really like nothing else in his filter. At least once Palmar's plan goes bust, he usually jumps into taking the game seriously. Assuming he's gotten past his regular troll phase. SuperSoft hasn't done that. He also only has town reads, and he's clearly been following the thread closely enough to comment on which posts other people have been talking about Show nested quote + On March 10 2013 23:10 supersoft wrote: On March 10 2013 23:04 Acrofales wrote: On March 10 2013 14:49 Ver wrote: Howdy Gents! I'm going for a little challenge this game and plan on winning the game without reading my role pm. As not even I will know my motivations, nobody else can judge me. Armed with this power I shall stop the town from becoming an idiocracy. I'm also considering giving myself another Personality to assist my efforts in keeping the town in order. I'll keep you all updated. Only scum or Drazerk ever tries to pull this stunt. ##vote Ver read the thread. Risk already quoted "notchezinu" (that was GMarshals smurf, right?) Ooh ooh and I just saw this: Show nested quote + On March 11 2013 03:44 supersoft wrote: On March 11 2013 03:41 VisceraEyes wrote: Ah man wtf that didn't answer my question at all but I still loved that post X( WHO IS THIS GUY?! you shoulnd't ask yourself that question. The proper question is, are his reads reasonable or not. woo, giving advice and not following it! This is a decent paradigm! But he himself has no reads except town reads and Show nested quote + On March 10 2013 22:30 supersoft wrote: On March 10 2013 22:26 Mocsta wrote: On March 10 2013 22:22 supersoft wrote: are you talking to me? Yeah, yamato done nothing special and you giving him a town read. Way too eager. i am not explaining my townreads right now. you explain me why yamato is scum if you think so. All that said, I still am willing to give him leeway if this bad-plan-thing turns out to be roleplaying, or if his play veers towards the townie in the future. So the answer to your question, VE, is: Right now I'm leaning scum on him, but I feel better about my oatsmaster case so I'm sticking to that. | ||
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On March 11 2013 05:13 supersoft wrote: the only roleplay i do, is keeping calm when you dare to call my plans bad :-) hey if i'm willing to call palmar's plans bad you better believe i dare to do it to you ALSO: is anyone else kinda worried that kita's smurf was "lynched" instead of killed by mafia, and that this is day 2? I feel like there might be something significant going on there, because kita actually went so far as to put his smurf into the player list. | ||
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On March 11 2013 05:01 strongandbig wrote: oatsmaster is the master of scummy, evil oats Exhibit One: Scum Are Inconsistent And Go After Easy Targets Show nested quote + On March 10 2013 18:54 Oatsmaster wrote: On March 10 2013 18:42 Oatsmaster wrote: Iamp what are you doing after that ridiculous list post which says NOTHING? My mistake, he went to sleep. I still dont like how he wasnt involved in the discussion beforehand, not like spammy Iamp. So he starts out with a decent reason to be suspicious of iamperfection - big list post, not involved like his usual meta. But then we see him latch on to mocsta for some reason: Show nested quote + On March 10 2013 22:37 Oatsmaster wrote: Yeah. Where is the jovial mocsta that spams up half the thread. Come on. ##Vote: Mocsta + Show Spoiler [mocsta's posts the page before t…] + On March 10 2013 21:01 Mocsta wrote: Show nested quote + On March 10 2013 16:26 iamperfection wrote: Do we agree with me that yamatos start is more of a town tell? Do we agree that ve's misread of the situation is a point showing that he may in fact be scum? No & No No points for you. On March 10 2013 22:19 Mocsta wrote: Show nested quote + On March 10 2013 16:26 iamperfection wrote: Do we agree with me that yamatos start is more of a town tell? Do we agree that ve's misread of the situation is a point showing that he may in fact be scum? Show nested quote + On March 10 2013 22:06 supersoft wrote: I agree on everything <...> of your post though... Channeling Oatsmaster Expound. Channeling personality Most of us are trying to simulate our personalities. Why so too eager to white knight Iamp/Yamato. On March 10 2013 22:25 Mocsta wrote: Show nested quote + On March 10 2013 22:21 Oatsmaster wrote: I do not use the word expound. Mocsta start playing the damn game. What do you think about Ver's unimpressive entry and subsequent no posts. Also what do you think of marv. Who is your top scumread. Stop being stupid: you use expound all the time. Half the thread hasn't posted, and its all talking shit. If you want a top read so far: iamp post reads like the most bullshit to me - lists half the player list and says: "a scum must be there"... no shit sherlock Ver; made one post and its dumb as fuck, and so what? Maybe its a forced personality post? What more is there to make of it then that? Sounds to me like you know something I don't, or something? Expound. On March 10 2013 22:26 Mocsta wrote: Yeah, yamato done nothing special and you giving him a town read. Way too eager. On March 10 2013 22:35 Mocsta wrote: Show nested quote + On March 10 2013 22:30 supersoft wrote: On March 10 2013 22:26 Mocsta wrote: On March 10 2013 22:22 supersoft wrote: are you talking to me? Yeah, yamato done nothing special and you giving him a town read. Way too eager. i am not explaining my townreads right now. you explain me why yamato is scum if you think so. I dont need you to explain townreads. yam isnt scum or town for me. hes still sitting at null. 0 points for him, 0 points for you. Really? Oatsmaster thinks that's not "spammy" or "jovial," and that it's different enough from mocsta's jovial and spammy meta to earn a vote? I don't buy it. Then there's some stupid back and forth between oats and mocsta, and then oats goes on to looking at other stuff. But look at the difference between how oats interacted with suspicion on iamperfection and suspicion on mocsta. He claimed that they were both not playing to their town metas, but whereas at the time iamperfection actually wasn't matching his meta, oats's portrayal of mocsta's behavior this game was both curt and inaccurate. Plus, iamperfection had the bad listy intro post, which oats also claimed he was suspicious of. Then a bit later in the filter, we get this: nonono seriously? no explanation of how the actions in the thread since the initial vote influences the read? No explanation of why people should still be going after mocsta? So what's the difference between iamperfection and mocsta? Well, simply put - one of them is a much easier target. Iamperfection does tend to attract some suspicion as town, so he's a safe target for dispersed suspicion, but he's better-known and more veteran than mocsta, and therefore more likely to be influential and a more dangerous target for scum to go all in on. Mocsta, on the other hand, is someone I've never heard of before and therefore a newer player, plus from his behavior this game he seems less focused and srsbsns than iamperfection in response to suspicion. Exhibit Two: Scum Love To Give Good Advice To Town, But Hate To Follow It This is something I started looking for in the couple of games before I stopped playing for a while. "advice posts", be they long or short, are easy for scum to do, as is complaining about how the town is behaving. However, when a townie gives advice or criticism to/of the town in general, it means they care enough about that particular issue or problem to try to get everyone to focus on it. That also means they'll be thinking about it in their own posts. Basically: Townies follow their own advice, scum don't. We have Oats's very first post: Show nested quote + On March 10 2013 18:42 Oatsmaster wrote: On March 10 2013 18:06 supersoft wrote: Ver is probably claiming a certain personality. Yup. Although there has been absolute bullshit from the players so far. Seriously NOTHING except personal attacks and other annoying, non-alignment indicative scum. Iamp what are you doing after that ridiculous list post which says NOTHING? Personal attacks bad, back-and-forth bad, non-alignment indicative stuff bad. Okay, those are all good things for townies to be thinking about. We can summarize this as "don't engage in personal bitchfights because they distract the thread and don't help demonstrate that you're town." So how does Oats do putting his posts where his mouth is? He starts off spamming around and not engaging the thread: + Show Spoiler + On March 10 2013 21:29 Oatsmaster wrote: Lynch anyone who doesnt add anything to the thread in their opening post after like 7 pages of content. New policy. On March 10 2013 22:44 Oatsmaster wrote: Show nested quote + On March 10 2013 22:25 Mocsta wrote: On March 10 2013 22:21 Oatsmaster wrote: I do not use the word expound. Mocsta start playing the damn game. What do you think about Ver's unimpressive entry and subsequent no posts. Also what do you think of marv. Who is your top scumread. Stop being stupid: you use expound all the time. Half the thread hasn't posted, and its all talking shit. If you want a top read so far: iamp post reads like the most bullshit to me - lists half the player list and says: "a scum must be there"... no shit sherlock Ver; made one post and its dumb as fuck, and so what? Maybe its a forced personality post? What more is there to make of it then that? Sounds to me like you know something I don't, or something? Expound. I dont see any questions here. This is not a question cause it doesnt ask ANYTHING. On March 10 2013 21:55 Oatsmaster wrote: Im gonna use this quote cause its awesome Show nested quote + On February 07 2013 08:29 VisceraEyes wrote: Why aren't you doing shit? You can't be scared of NKs, it's like you don't give a fuck. And in my experience a Marv that doesn't give a fuck is a scum Marv ..and I hate scum. I FUCKING HATE SCUM Marv Then he gets into a personal-attack bitchfight with mocsta + Show Spoiler + On March 10 2013 22:21 Oatsmaster wrote: I do not use the word expound. Mocsta start playing the damn game. What do you think about Ver's unimpressive entry and subsequent no posts. Also what do you think of marv. Who is your top scumread. On March 10 2013 22:37 Oatsmaster wrote: Yeah. Where is the jovial mocsta that spams up half the thread. Come on. ##Vote: Mocsta On March 10 2013 22:44 Oatsmaster wrote: Show nested quote + On March 10 2013 22:25 Mocsta wrote: On March 10 2013 22:21 Oatsmaster wrote: I do not use the word expound. Mocsta start playing the damn game. What do you think about Ver's unimpressive entry and subsequent no posts. Also what do you think of marv. Who is your top scumread. Stop being stupid: you use expound all the time. Half the thread hasn't posted, and its all talking shit. If you want a top read so far: iamp post reads like the most bullshit to me - lists half the player list and says: "a scum must be there"... no shit sherlock Ver; made one post and its dumb as fuck, and so what? Maybe its a forced personality post? What more is there to make of it then that? Sounds to me like you know something I don't, or something? Expound. I dont see any questions here. This is not a question cause it doesnt ask ANYTHING. On March 10 2013 22:59 Oatsmaster wrote: Show nested quote + On March 10 2013 22:56 Mocsta wrote: On March 10 2013 22:52 Oatsmaster wrote: I ask you, because I think its weird and odd and what you thought.,.. You are being prickly and defensive as shit. Why? Also Is A LOT of interest 1 question to 1 person? I dont think so. If you haven't noticed. I am writing completely different. (- normally much more verbose) I am not matching the personality meta completely, but its quite a mind-set change for me. Whose your scummiest guy so far. Considering vote is on me, lets change to; whose your 2nd scummiest guy? Iamp. But again I said that already. Or you are scum Mocsta Dont give me shit about not matching your scum meta. Why is it such a big issue that Marv thinks you are telling supersoft how to play? On March 10 2013 22:52 Oatsmaster wrote: I ask you, because I think its weird and odd and what you thought.,.. You are being prickly and defensive as shit. Why? Also Is A LOT of interest 1 question to 1 person? I dont think so. Then there's some personal bitching at acro: + Show Spoiler + On March 10 2013 23:06 Oatsmaster wrote: Show nested quote + On March 10 2013 23:04 Acrofales wrote: On March 10 2013 14:49 Ver wrote: Howdy Gents! I'm going for a little challenge this game and plan on winning the game without reading my role pm. As not even I will know my motivations, nobody else can judge me. Armed with this power I shall stop the town from becoming an idiocracy. I'm also considering giving myself another Personality to assist my efforts in keeping the town in order. I'll keep you all updated. Only scum or Drazerk ever tries to pull this stunt. ##vote Ver Thats a horrible reason to think someone is scum. Seriously do you think he is serious? Also arent you of the opinion that vets shouldnt be lynched day 1 unless scum claim in thread? On March 10 2013 23:52 Oatsmaster wrote: Show nested quote + On March 10 2013 23:51 Acrofales wrote: On March 10 2013 23:06 Oatsmaster wrote: On March 10 2013 23:04 Acrofales wrote: On March 10 2013 14:49 Ver wrote: Howdy Gents! I'm going for a little challenge this game and plan on winning the game without reading my role pm. As not even I will know my motivations, nobody else can judge me. Armed with this power I shall stop the town from becoming an idiocracy. I'm also considering giving myself another Personality to assist my efforts in keeping the town in order. I'll keep you all updated. Only scum or Drazerk ever tries to pull this stunt. ##vote Ver Thats a horrible reason to think someone is scum. Seriously do you think he is serious? Also arent you of the opinion that vets shouldnt be lynched day 1 unless scum claim in thread? That's stupid. Ver dropped in to tell us he hasn't read his role pm. Now you can believe him, in which case he is probably worth keeping around. However the chance is bigger that he is NOT rping Drazerk and HAS read his pm. Now that means he is lying and giving himself an excuse to act any way he chooses. Who needs excuses like that? Scum. I was looking forward to playing with Ver, but if he's scum, we should kill him. Or he was kidding, and roleplaying. Its one fucking post. Is he really the scummiest person so far? And Kurumi + Show Spoiler + On March 11 2013 00:11 Oatsmaster wrote: Kurumi, You know Chez is actually useful as town right? On March 11 2013 00:53 Oatsmaster wrote: Kurumi, do you actually have any reads? Or are you just intent on trolling the thread. Then we get another piece of "town advice" Show nested quote + On March 11 2013 01:10 Oatsmaster wrote: On March 11 2013 01:08 marvellosity wrote: I'm pretty much with risk on this one. I have no idea what Acro thinks he's doing with this Ver stuff. Ver pretty explicitly said he wouldn't have much time for the game until Monday as well. And yet Acro actually has his vote on him; he wants to kill potentially one of town's strongest assets. I can't really tell if this makes Acro mafia or just very silly. Who is scum? No reads = scum. Okay sure - if you aren't presenting and pushing your reads, then you're scum. Not always true but a completely valid way to play as town. If we combine that with Oatsmaster's earlier complaints about personal attacks and non-alignment-indicative fluff and bickering, we get a pretty strong philosophy of town play. One that is absolutely nothing like how oatsmaster has been playing this game. Go back and look again at the posts I put in the spoilers above about him getting into personal bitchfights. There's the Mocsta stuff, where we learn that Oats "has a read" and that his read is "mocsta is scum because he's not jovial or spammy", followed by like five unnecessary other posts as Oats lets himself be drawn into you-said you-said with mocsta. But other than that one post, and one post where he says he has a read on iamperfection, what discussion of his reads do we get? What reads do we get at all, other than the two "scum reads" he made in like his first three posts based on the first few pages of the game? What interaction with all the new information that's come up in the thread? What does Oats think about Kurumi and WBG? Given how much he wants substantive posts involving reads, you'd think he would have told us his reads on them at some point during the several posts he makes about them and aimed at them. But nope - we don't. In fact, he goes out of his way to avoid pointing to either of them as scum: + Show Spoiler + On March 11 2013 01:34 Oatsmaster wrote: Show nested quote + On March 11 2013 01:32 yamato77 wrote: My question wasn't stupid. I feel like one of them is probably mafia, given the nature of their posting. One is almost assuredly hiding with the other in the "Chezinu" category of unreadable players. It's a valid mafia strategy if we, as town, allow it. So what do you propose, how do you determine the scummyness of one over the other? Since you feel that both cant be mafia and one probably is. It is also a valid town strategy to avoid night kills. His only "reads" are ill-thought out, ill-explained, and inconsistent. He complains / gives advice about the prevalence of certain specific poor townplay practices, then engages in exactly those practices himself. These are both characteristic scum behaviors and both have clear scum motivations. Oatsmaster is scum. ##vote: Oatsmaster BIG CASE EVERYONE READ MY BIG CASE also did anyone tell foolishness the game has started? He's not living up to his position as In his Profile, Foolishness wrote: I am Foolishness, the de facto head and director of the mafia forum on Team Liquid. If he keeps letting us down, he could be in danger of a mob attack... | ||
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On March 11 2013 07:08 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On March 11 2013 06:47 Kurumi wrote: oh I will repeat that I AM A SCUM ROLE AND I AM TOWN ALIGNED AND I WANT TO DIE SO WE CAN AVOID THE POSSIBILITY OF ME BEING A MOLE thanks so, if you're intent on being lynched, why don't you tell us what your role is? hi s&b. we're not lynching Oats today and to be honest I only barely skimmed your case. $10 says that what you said is probably valid, but it doesn't make Oats mafia. By far the most interesting result of the case is that Corazon agrees with it, despite having played with Oats before (more than once I think?). Corazon, why don't you tell me in your own words why you think Oats is mafia, why don't you tell me how Oats' play is different this game than in Hiro's game. thanks bish. boooooooooooooo On March 11 2013 07:08 marvellosity wrote: hi s&b. we're not lynching Oats today and to be honest I only barely skimmed your case. $10 says that what you said is probably valid, but it doesn't make Oats mafia. booo On March 11 2013 07:08 marvellosity wrote: hi s&b. we're not lynching Oats today care to explain why? | ||
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On March 11 2013 07:30 Kurumi wrote: Show nested quote + On March 11 2013 07:25 wherebugsgo wrote: the man in the sky tells us the rat is not a rat but a mouse but the not-rat (actually a mouse) says he may be a mouse with a mask today and a rat tomorrow. "Today I die," the mouse says. And, he says, he will not tell us when he turns into a rat! Of course, any doorknob would know that a rat does not announce its own presence. So is this mouse a mouse under the bridge, or a mouse over the bridge? I say, brothers, that we burn the mouse and say our prayers, for it shall be safer for us if the mouse does not become rabid. See, even the jub jub who i am supposed to be agrees about killing me thats actually a much better reason to kill him than it is to kill you like, what are you going for here? I'm assuming that you are trying to win, because your claim is that for town to kill you would make the town more likely to win and therefore make you more likely to win. However, how do you know that your win condition can't change after you die? That's pretty much the only way your role would make sense - you want to make the team win that you're on at the moment, not the team you're on when you die. Additionally - the logical conclusion of "I want to win, my alignment might change, etc" is not to just suggest that we kill you off right away to freeze your alignment. Waiting a few days to see which team is winning makes far more sense. So yeah I'm calling bull shit. You're probably lying; if I can see that then wbg should see it too; but he still wants to lynch you. Therefore, I would like to lynch him. | ||
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On March 11 2013 07:35 marvellosity wrote: just looks and feels like town oats so far, s&b booo no it doesn't | ||
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