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I'm quite busy today, i might have time to read and post again later this evening, if not i'm sorry and will post tomorrow morning again. + Show Spoiler + On March 16 2013 17:23 sciberbia wrote: I've got some stuff to say about geript The first possibly important thing I noticed in the thread. The phrasing of the first sentence as a question instead of a statement seems a bit odd to me. It's like he's saying "Would you find this explanation acceptable?" rather than "This is the explanation." Seems unnecessarily passive and ingratiating. This rubs me a bit the wrong way. Seems like a crummy reason to go to bed. People accuse you of being mafia so you go to bed? What? Also, seems like he's almost providing an 'excuse' to leave the thread. Overall, leaning scum on geript. I don't think it is especially likely that zarepath and geript are both scum. If zarepath and geript actually were scumbuddies, I think there is an excellent chance that geript would have either gone through with the RNG vote (with the knowledge that it is very unlikely to lead to a lynch and with the devious hope that town would later get confused by WIFOM), or just drop the RNG thing all-together. Well with the geript situation you have to know he was pushed hard last game, so this seems to be his typical behaviour. He probably is pretty unconfident in his play right now. Hence the backing off of his RNG (which is still and always will be a terrible idea), which does make him look scummy. I'd still suggest letting him be for a while. Or we get martyr-geript again. ThePeashooter aside from useless setup speculation, any opinions on the SAST? | ||
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Here are some of my thoughts on the first read through. zarepath: I played two newbie games with him and he's always busy on weekends, and so far he always gave me a slightly scummy vibe D1 although he was town. He usually picks up his play along the way, so i really can't support a zarepath lynch today. TestSubject: In his last game where he was anti-town he played pretty tame D1, usually agreeing to stuff and basically not drawing attention, picking a fight with one of the loudest voices in the thread? Don't think he would draw that much attention to him as scum. He won't get a vote from me either. TPS: While i think his setup speculation makes for a scummy beginning he kinda redeemed himself for me with his posts pointing out coagulation who i think looks scummy right now. Coagulation: I think he looks scummy. Although he has a few posts none of them have any kind of content. Since he obviously is not new to mafia, i really think he should pick up his play. sandroba: His play (or the lack of) also lacks town motivation. If you compare it to his last game where he was town (Fruity Mafia). He actively pursuits his scum reads, asks them question, all of this completely non-existant this game. On March 16 2013 22:30 sandroba wrote: Update: Greymist is suspicious. He posts this but so far no follow-up. Scum. ##Vote: sandroba | ||
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I really think the yamato thing was a genuine guess. | ||
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On March 18 2013 00:17 Kenpachi wrote: What i dont get is how you're defending zarepath for inactivity but you accuse sandroba for inactivity. do you consider that sandroba may just be busy? You can only back yourself up with 2 days of evidence. Because zarepath's inactivity fits his meta, and my personal experience playing with him. While sandrobas didn't fit his town meta at all. Might it be a bit premature? Yes, possible. But my vote added pressure on my scumread. | ||
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On March 18 2013 03:12 Coagulation wrote: glurio your defending him pretty hard for someone who may have scum slipped. I don't think he's scum. I'd much rather lynch you, you're absolutely useless so far. How about spending the time scumhunting? | ||
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I could make the same post about you. | ||
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I just don't find DYH or cosmicomic scummy enough to warrant voting for them. If cosmicomic fails to post this cycle i can see lynching him D2. Can you make a decent case on DarthPunk, VE? I really fail to see how you can see him as sure scum? | ||
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Because i have to go out now, and i'm not sure if i'll be back before the lynch. I'll put my vote on DP. If i happen to be back before lynch-time i'll read everything before going to sleep. | ||
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On March 18 2013 17:34 sciberbia wrote: Sucks to lynch a townie, but I encourage everyone to make good use of the night phase by reading over filters so that we can redeem ourselves D2. Couple things I've noticed so far: - The DP wagon was pretty bad IMO. I just read through DP's filter and holy hell did he have to put up with a lot of shit. I will be looking hard at people that sheeped onto that wagon (glurio, cosmic, WoS, zarepath) - Coag hopped on the DP bandwaggon in the voting thread despite never mentioning him in his filter. Is this normal Coag behavior? Too scummy to be scum? - I can't get the geript + zarepath theory out of my head. I will probably make a post further expounding upon this before the deadline. - Hyaach didn't post. Is Hyaach going to be an unflipped modkill? I'll probably be around for a while reading filters and would be happy to converse with anyone else online so this doesn't become a silent night. Ah so a townie got lynched and instead of looking at the people who actually helped lynching him you look at the people who tried to lynch someone of whom we don't know the alignement yet? I took a look at WoS, one of the guys who sheeped the mislynch his vote post: On March 18 2013 13:18 WaveofShadow wrote: Alright reading through zare's filter his lack of commitment and hardcore line of questioning strikes me as the differences between his play here and in NMM 37, the only game in which I have played with him. He makes an early weak suspicion case against me and does not follow up on it whatsoever, completely ignoring the fact that he drew suspicion on me whatsoever despite me responding to him. His activity does go down from its usual on weekends that is true, but even with that excuse his play seems much weaker than the town play I'm used to seeing from zare. Usually much stronger cases and less sheeping. My meta reads are overall fairly weak thus far into my mafia career though so I'm not yet comfortable lynching zare based on that evidence. I'm inclined to agree with geript's thoughts of 'waiting it out' to see if his play improves since GM seems to be the stronger choice for today. Zare wouldn't mind a response to MY response to your earlier suspicion against me. As for GM, he holds something in common with zare, in that he also brings up suspicion against me, calls me scummier than DarthPunk, doesn't back it up, and then ignores me completely. His AHA! post reeks of bad towny play (stupid gambit is stupid), but isn't Grey supposed to be a mafia veteran? That kind of 'trap' is something that zare tried to spring on the rest of the town AS a townie in NMM 37 but it only ended up muddling up the whole thread for that day and accomplishing nothing. Greymist's trap seems like an easy way to hide behind the fact that he couldn't be assed to contribute in a positive way and to jump on the first person to call him out for being gone (whether for legit reasons or not) as others have pointed out. It's nice that other people seem to think DP isn't scummy anymore btw, (and the flailing around once under heavy suspicion seems more like a towny think to do than scum) so he's null for me right now. I still don't lke the stance on lurkers despite how he described it. Unvote: DarthPunk Vote GreYMisT I read it that he thinks zare is really scummy, GM is a little bit like zare, but rather is bad town? (Bolded the important part.) Still votes for GM in the end. So instead of waiting for the mafia-vet to improvie his play he rather waits for the newbie guy to do the same? This is really bad reasoning in my eyes. | ||
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I simply stuck to my read. How about adressing the issues i raised? Your only defense is calling me a newbie? | ||
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On March 19 2013 07:20 Vivax wrote: Also my scumreads still didn't provide reads on Zarepath they seem to not want to play transparently for town. TPS didn't comment on the other reads I asked him for and he treated me aggressively. I sense people being uncooperative or unmotivated to help town (which doesn't surprise me since I think they scum d'oh), I didn't ask them to do something hard. Well i find zares obsession with finding out the smurfs identity quite odd. It doesn't help anyone at this point. What do you make of Ryu, vivax? | ||
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I'm also leaning scum on WoS. Many of his posts look like fabrication straight out of his crazy brain or contribute actually nothing. Day 1: WoS shares his reads on TPS/Vivax + Show Spoiler + On March 18 2013 04:16 WaveofShadow wrote: Also I believe I promised I'd give my thoughts on Vivax/TPS: Vivax's defense of me notwithstanding, I'm not so sure this was a slip. Meta reads are going to be something I will not be very good at until I play quite a few more games with all of you guys, so I can't look back at Yamato and try to find out if Vivax's claim is legitimate. I'm not sure why he would be so confident as to flat out call him Yamato in one sentence and the back off a little saying 'I think' in another, it's a very odd way of doing it rather than flat out asking 'Are you Yamato' or simply saying 'I think TPS is Yamato.' Either way the 'slip' itself seems null, as is Vivax's defense on me; his points ring true (and I'm happy people actually notice me for once) but obviously there are both scum and town motivations for doing what he did. As for TPS, I'm having a hard time because I actually enjoyed his setup speculation (even though I know that's something that is generally frowned upon) and his early pressure on Coag is something that I would have gotten behind if I weren't fucking terrified of having the wrath of every vet in existence on top of me for 'not knowing how Coag usually plays.' I said it in an earlier post, Coag doesn't look great to me, but I'll trust the townies who seem to know him. Now TPS's pressure in my eyes really depends on whether he is a smurf or not imo. If he is, I would think that he would know exactly how Coag usually plays and so this would seem like an agenda to me. If he's not, he is legitimately pressuring and pushing a read on a player who looked (at least up until he started posting more frequently and usefully) scummy. So null on TPS for now until the smurf idea is resolved. I CAN, however get behind a vote on DP. I support VE's case though I do not necessarily support his town circle; call that scummy if you wish but having never seen one in a game before I have no idea of their risks or benefits and it just seems manipulative to me. Vote: Darthpunk He doesn't wanna say anyone is scummy. It really looks like he is dodging doing a proper read. After that he just sheeps on DP. His second big post (the vote for GM) i already commented on earlier in the game. I'd like to highlight another post: + Show Spoiler + On March 19 2013 03:34 WaveofShadow wrote: Haha wow I guess I really do have to be more careful what I post in these games...I make mistakes wayy too often that get seen as scummy. I guess it's good that people are pointing this shit out 'cause I didn't notice, and eventually I'll stop fucking myself over with these mistakes. I dunno, not much to say about that. I'll blame it on lack of sleep due to 3 month old baby. This post looks extremely scummy to me, makes too many mistakes so he can't be scum. Who would argue like that? It looks like he's just trying to say something to avoid suspicion. His general play is extremely blendy and following popular opinion, at one point when everyone suspected zare he also had his suspicion of him but as soon as zare went off of most peoples scum-radar, WoS also loses his scumread. He tries to find scummy things where he knows aren't any. Example + Show Spoiler + On March 20 2013 01:46 WaveofShadow wrote: Ok found it. It's the timestamps that bother me. Between BH and GK, (the ones Vivax suspects of being a scumteam-fabricated QT/logs) every single post has a fairly decent size berth in between; the smallest one being 3 minutes right at the end, the next smallest being 5 minutes (2-lines) and every one after that being 12 min or longer in between posts. This means that it's POSSIBLE that they were fabricating these posts in the scum QT in between. This isn't possible in the VE-BH logs, as there is evidence of free-flowing quick conversation taking place with multiple 2-minute spaces in between posts from both of them. Also of course the fact that they didn't even start contacting each other until much later in the day either means a) they were planning in the scum QT b) BH didn't send his mason request till late (can be a subset of (a), null) c) he's telling the truth and DrH didn't set up the QT until later. The post where Vivax outlines the slip makes option (c) seem VERY odd so the scummier options seem more likely here. Now this could all be Wave's Conspiracy Theories™ but I figure it's worth putting out there to see what people think. Especially later N1 and D2 his filter really looks like he just tries to look like he's contributing without really doing any useful scumhunting. I believe WoS is scum. ##Vote: WoS | ||
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On March 21 2013 06:45 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh for fuck sakes. Lynch this guy once you're done with VE/Wiggles. What did you expect? Staying on you after you blue-claimed? | ||
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On March 21 2013 07:54 WaveofShadow wrote: No, I'm expecting you to have more than 15 posts to your name by the end of D2. You posted most of those right at the start of D1, then disappeared all day, then did the same thing D2. Classic 'pretending to contribute' then lurking. You're scum but I doubt I could get a strong enough wagon going on you today when there's still Mr. Wiggles to consider. You played better than this in LX, and EXACTLY like this in NMM 36, where you were scum. What can i say i'm legit busy right now. I'm moving, and work in my new appartment 12h a day. After that i'm really tired so all i can do is read everything and vote accordingly. Yesterday i took the time to write a case on someone looking very scummy, no one even commented on it so i suspected no one read it. That pissed me off a bit and instead of pushing my case further i went to bed. Tomorrow the work in the new appartment should be finished so by D3 i should have much more time to spend on the game. Right now i find mocsta to be scummy. Mostly out of meta reasons though. He really doesn't seem like the kind of guy who wouldn't have finished reading the thread after replacing in. He usually is one of the most active and loud posters in the games, but here he didn't even bother to read everything so far? In most games it seems he's one of the players who spend the most time in the game, reading filters, posting stuff etc. But then again he said he is really busy with his life which i suppose can be true. I haven't made up my mind in the whole VE 3rd party situation. But before all that came up i didn't really want to lynch VE or WF tonight. Two claimed blues after all. | ||
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I thought about the VE 3rd party situation and i can't convince myself he's scum. In my eyes most likely "the Mirror" is a scum mason and his line (3rd party join my cult and i'll get stronger) is just some well thought out scam to confuse town. No clue why he accepted the claim, that is the part that does not make sense, His vet claim seems legit, since (setup speculation) scum has most likely 2 KP with this many players and no one else claimed getting hit. (or saved, or jailed, or blocked) Since lynch time is really terrible for europeans (4 AM i think), i'll vote for mocsta and go to sleep. ##Vote: Mocsta | ||
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I looked through WFs early filter: This interaction looks like scum communicating with scum. (Wiggles and WF) + Show Spoiler + On March 17 2013 11:06 Wade Fell wrote: He stopped posting 2 hours before the first vote on GK went down, but it's been like 18 hours since then. Where is he? He still hasn't weighed in on Geript either, and Geript was under pressure while he was posting in thread. If he comes back, says he's been gone for 18 hours like grooming a chicken or whatever and he has serious thoughts to give, then I may rethink things. But as it stands, simply straight-up lurking and not posting is NOT a defense for his actions. On March 17 2013 11:06 Mr. Wiggles wrote: I actually kind of get the feeling that Peashooter's just new, but like Kita was saying, and you're implying, if he's a smurf that goes out the window, because he could just be pretending to be new while being experienced. I think I need to wait for him to post some more to get a more solid read. On March 17 2013 11:07 Wade Fell wrote: Will your thoughts on him be the same if he's gone for another 6 hours, wiggles? What if he's gone for the rest of the day? On March 17 2013 11:07 Wade Fell wrote: I too am highly interested in how he will respond to my case and wat's taken place in town since his "departure" but he is almost certainly a smurf, since the account was created yesterday. On March 17 2013 11:07 Mr. Wiggles wrote: I have someone else in mind for the lynch, and then a vig can just get rid of him if possible. He has to post sometime. To me this piece of conversation does not look natural at all. It looks to me as if both are treading around very carefully, which is quite unlike WF. On top of that all the other points already raised on wiggles by other people. Sadly his filter doesn't give too much. He was always hardcore tunneling either TPS, TestSubject or VE basically the whole game. I will probably read it again when i'm less tired. I also looked through Vivax's filter, he most likely hit GK with his shot. I could find no breadcrumbs to a sciberia hit, while GK was quite often the focus of his attention. Vivax's scumreads were: zarepath, cosmicomics, Wade Fell, goodkarma, DYH, Trancestorm Upon reading on his last few posts his focus at that moment was CC, GK and DYH. In sciberias filter we can find a strong scumread on CC + Show Spoiler + On March 21 2013 13:14 sciberbia wrote: OK we really need to consolidate. I have no idea what the votecount is at, but I'd imagine there are still several votes on VE and Wiggles. For those of us who don't like those two candidates, we need a candidate to consolidate on. ace/GK/testsubject have all been thrown out there, but there are disagreements. Personally, I'm nullish on all 3. You guys have given meta reads on all 3 that I could choose to trust in, but as far as in-thread evidence, I'm nullish. Is ANYONE in the thread right now not at least leaning scum on cosmicomics? Look at how he goes about scum hunting D1: First of all, he doesn't do any scuhunting when he originally enters the thread. Then, we he was ASKED about DP, he sheeped onto an IMO shitty case and voted him. Respond to question and get your vote down. Two birds with 1 stone amirite. Then, he unvotes DP when the wagon loses steam with almost nonexistant reasoning for thinking DP isn't scum anymore: He was continually saying how DP was scum and lying about some stupid shit at the start of the game. But now suddenly DP is stubborn and townie. And VE's case wasn't even the reason CC was voting DP in the first place. VE posted his case after CC voted DP twice. This post scummy as mentioned by others. Finally, on D2, CC's big contribution was a massive case on VE. And VE has been the focus of discussion all day. But where is CC? Not here talking about. I pose my question again: Is anyone not at least leaning scum on CC I think that is a very important quality in a consolidation candidate. So after reading this i would go after the following people in this order: cosmicomics: Both Vivax and sciberia were suspicious of him at the end of the night. High likelihood of being scum. wiggles: weird interaction with Wade Fell, top that with all the cases already against him and we got ourselves a very scummy looking wiggles TranceStorm: + Show Spoiler + On March 19 2013 22:15 TranceStorm wrote: Hmm. Some thoughts. I'm inclined to trust Wade Hand. Like scib had said earlier, it would be much safer for a scum mason to simply a) not mason anyone or b) pretend to mason one of his teammates due to the flip of GM. As per his case on TPS, I've become more and more convinced after reading through TPS' justifications for voting for GM. It is interesting to note that TPS spends more time talking about how he thinks zarepath is scummy. Personally, I think that TPS 'let it play out' over the GM situation so that he couldn't be nailed over strongly leading the GM lynch as he tried to do with Coag. I'll vote for TPS right now. My opinion on DoYouHas has retracted somewhat. I don't think he's been 'attaching himself to arguments' as I had said earlier anymore. Also, Wiggo is still super-scummy in my eyes. His behavior during the GM lynch was really bizarre, but the single post I had highlighted earlier isn't sufficient to make me vote for him. I want to see his analysis today. DYH: vivax was after him so he has reasons to kill vivax, but i'm not quite convinced here and actually had a strong town read on him. My top scumread right now is cosmicomics. I don't think DYH is scum but he should be questioned further. I don't think TranceStorm AND wiggles are scum. But wiggles looks scummier right now. | ||
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