wastes his first few posts just agreeing or clarifying things, and he's not even being useful in his clarifications. what i really don't like is that when i specifically call him out to pick his brain, he doesn't even give me *ANY* interpretation of what he thinks of the player. it's totally ambiguous. then, when Aqua calls him out, his answer is totally wishy washy and shady -- gives a town-read but 100% hedges it:
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On November 20 2013 13:04 Aquanim wrote:[QUOTE]
On November 20 2013 12:55 Rean wrote:[QUOTE]
On November 20 2013 12:52 Bereft wrote:Rean, what do you think of Mocsta thus far?
Talks a lot, seems awfully certain of everything he says.
@Rean
Given this, which way are you leaning on Mocsta in terms of alignment?[/QUOTE]
I'd say town, scum is typically more laidback. But could just be a good scumbag.[/QUOTE]
i also find the interactions between cora and rean pretty weird and incongruous. even something small like cora calling rean out for asking for town reads i find a pretty weird point to common on -- the exchange is pointless as he doesn't draw any conclusion from it and just seems to be critiquing rean's play.
what i also find noteworthy is that:
(A) rean first FOS's sciberia when sciberia asks for his top scum read.
(B) rean gives a soft defense of cora to moc
(C) but then suddenly cora becomes a scum read and he says:
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On November 20 2013 16:08 Rean wrote:[QUOTE]
On November 20 2013 15:56 Mocsta wrote:(A) Discredit me slightly - which is OK, the problem is the non-firm opinion on Corazon or Sciberbia
(B) Subtlely sway convo to Aquanim - again this could be OK in isolation, but I dont like with (A)
(C) Comment about lack of followup from 5 people.
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B and C are there as a reminder. Aquanim feels to me like he's getting by too comfortably, but for now its a small lean towards scum as opposed to Corazon/Scib feeling much more scummy to me.
And I'm not discrediting you, I want to warn you not to tunnelvision. Tunnelvision impairs you from thinking logically and it's lost me games in the past because I was convinced I was right and tried to make everything seem as if I was. Maybe that's why I seem non-commital, I don't want to repeat the same mistake. You're right that C/S are acting dodgy but don't close your mind.[/QUOTE]
BUT THEN!! after aqua votes for him, IN THE VERY NEXT POST:
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On November 21 2013 03:04 Rean wrote:[QUOTE]
On November 20 2013 16:42 Aquanim wrote:[QUOTE]
On November 20 2013 16:08 Rean wrote:...
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On November 20 2013 15:57 Aquanim wrote:@MocstaIf Corazon and sciberbia are both scum, what was their motive for going after one another as they have so early? It's focused a lot of attention on the two of them, and I can't imagine that being what scum wants.
@ReanWhy do you want to see me in particular pressured?[/QUOTE]
To me you look like you're in the position that if I were scum I'd love: sit back, ask some questions, give some non-commital opinions from time to time and earn easy town credit while not under any real pressure.
So one of your questions back at you: if you had a vig shot that only hit scum, who would you aim it at right now and why?[/QUOTE]
Probably you. I don't like how easily you swallowed Corazon's case on sciberbia, given that I felt it was sketchy at best. I also don't see any particular purpose behind your posting so far - you've offered some observations when prompted but I don't see you trying to get more information and learn more about the motivations of other players, besides some half-assed and half-hearted pressuring of myself (which you tried to prompt someone else to do).
In fact, the more I think about your filter the less I like it.
##Vote: ReanI'd give some consideration to shooting Corazon but even if I was convinced he was scum I think I'd learn much more from lynching him than by simply shooting him.
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How unexpected. You're put under pressure and you instantly accuse me to try to prove me wrong about you, but 2 posts later you're already looking for arguments to back out of it like
+ Show Spoiler +On November 20 2013 16:48 Aquanim wrote:
Short answer to Thrawn's case:
I've been messing around a bit and not committing much because I'm concerned, having looked at the players who are yet to post, that if we present them with a fait accompli lynch on Corazon they'd just sheep and we'd learn nothing about them today. I figured that by holding off on my vote and being able to address them from a position of neutrality I might be able to get something out of them.
Obviously this plan has backfired, but I figure if you're going to come after me that gives them an interesting choice to make so hopefully we'll still get something useful out of them.
For the same reason, I voted Rean above for the purposes of running a second wagon and introducing a choice. I'd cheerfully vote Corazon as well, his failure to actually vote for sciberbia despite his constant accusations is pretty damning.
. And then you go for Corazon with some not terribly convincing arguments such as [QUOTE]
On November 20 2013 18:04 Aquanim wrote:The fact that Corazon, despite apparently believing his case, is not committing to it by voting for sciberbia? THAT is scum-indicative.[/QUOTE] This seems awfully weak to me, a case on him at this point is already applying pressure by focussing discussion on him and trying to catch him on a lie. While a vote does put a little extra pressure on it I think saying it's scum-indicative not to vote is really overrating it's importance.
This, combined with what Thrawn already said (not gonna waste time parroting), really gives me a bad feeling about you. Enough for a
##Vote: Aquanim[/QUOTE]