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| MyTHicaL Canada. November 03 2006 17:15. Posts 671 | Profile # |
| ... Savior grow some balls and do something else than mass sunken camp untill u reach 200/200 -_-;: Again an undeserved victory against the only toss that ever made this matchup look balanced. Gj "Meastro" --; |
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 ManaBlue Canada. November 03 2006 17:32. Posts 10458 | Profile Blog # |
Awesome reports Mani. 
I gotta admit, game one was truely spectacular. Leave it to Ra to show us a game like that.
But the rest of the series was the same old lurk/sunk gay we see every time. Savior is just too good at it. I don't see how he can be beaten in a series on conventional maps.
And yeah, the final is going to be lame too. Too bad it had to end up this way...again.  |
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| The Storyteller Singapore. November 03 2006 17:35. Posts 2483 | Profile Blog # |
On November 03 2006 17:15 MyTHicaL wrote:
... Savior grow some balls and do something else than mass sunken camp untill u reach 200/200 -_-;: Again an undeserved victory against the only toss that ever made this matchup look balanced. Gj "Meastro" --;
This is pro-gaming... you use whatever strategy will get you the win. Besides, it's more than that. Savior has a lot of brains, and his strategies are well thought out. Game 3, for instance... Sure, he turtled, but the fact is that he turtled in a spot I haven't seen many other zergs turtle before. It was the positioning of his expansions that allowed him to win that game. |
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| Seraphim United States. November 03 2006 17:41. Posts 4461 | Profile Blog # | |
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| Ido Germany. November 03 2006 17:43. Posts 659 | Profile # |
| I wanted rA to go rvr/corsair esp. on Blitz to avoid lurker/sunken-style. Imo he had a good start to do this strat.. managed to delay savior expansions and so on. And then.. game 4 was one of rA's typical mistakes, too much risk-taking dont think it was a mistake, i think he wanted to save 150 minerals.. |
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| L!MP Australia. November 03 2006 18:17. Posts 2067 | Profile # |
| 1st game is definitely a keeper. if anything, it shows the amount of energy it takes to topple savior in his current form. i still think nal_ra is one of the few who could take him in a bo5 series, but he'd really have to bring it for that to happen. game 2.. outplayed. game 3 he was a little unlucky not to scout the expansion with his zealots, but very well done by savior. smart strategy as it forces nal_ra to split his expansions thus making them each very weak on their own. game 4... arg shit way to go out. all starcraft gamers know the pain of losing because they simply mishit a key at exactly the wrong time. at this level it's kind of like slipping over at the end of your routine during a figure skating competition. zvz final now? booo |
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| tKd_ United States. November 03 2006 19:45. Posts 2916 | Profile # |
On November 03 2006 17:35 The Storyteller wrote:
Show nested quote +On November 03 2006 17:15 MyTHicaL wrote:
... Savior grow some balls and do something else than mass sunken camp untill u reach 200/200 -_-;: Again an undeserved victory against the only toss that ever made this matchup look balanced. Gj "Meastro" --;
This is pro-gaming... you use whatever strategy will get you the win. Besides, it's more than that. Savior has a lot of brains, and his strategies are well thought out. Game 3, for instance... Sure, he turtled, but the fact is that he turtled in a spot I haven't seen many other zergs turtle before. It was the positioning of his expansions that allowed him to win that game.
i think it was more than just turtling and in that particular spot in blitz. it was perfect timing, perfect execution, basically map-hacking without hacking. savior was never realling turtling, he was just controlling the game. |
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| ManaBlue Canada. November 03 2006 19:53. Posts 10458 | Profile Blog # |
You're all right. And it's impressive that he's so good at it.
The disappointing thing is that he does what every other Zerg does, in a marginally better manner, exploiting the most easily executed builds in the game (however good he is at them) and produces redundant and uninspired ZvPs that no one will ever remember. Very similarly to July, he makes PvZ look impossible.
So I appreciate that he's so good at it, but watching him win that way is like seeing a Terran beat a Zerg on Longinus. It's cute that the play is so solid, but by the third time I've seen it I'm bored to tears and want to see the map die.
Similarly, I want to see a ZvP series only on maps with balanced stats. If ever game was on Peaks, Ra would've brought Savior to 5 games. But you give this kid any kind of edge, and he's unbeatable. So I'm not entertained seeing him take that edge and rape with it. I get it, he's super good. Give me good maps now. Not a couple good maps. A whole card. That's the only way you'll see a monster like that beaten in a series. He can't have a single free game. |
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| Drowsy United States. November 03 2006 20:17. Posts 4845 | Profile Blog # |
| GOD FUCK SILVER MUST WIN!~ anyone know when the finals are taking place? |
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| TaDa1. November 03 2006 20:50. Posts 641 | Profile Blog # |
| game 3 was pimp, savior took ra expo with excellent timing |
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| Butigroove Seychelles. November 03 2006 21:10. Posts 2059 | Profile Blog # |
| Watching game1, I was SHAKING. Seriously. SHHAAAKKKING. |
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| 88)WhyYouKickMyDog United States. November 03 2006 21:50. Posts 608 | Profile # | |
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| evanthebouncy! United States. November 03 2006 22:52. Posts 10748 | Profile Blog # |
On November 03 2006 14:28 BrutalMenace wrote:
is it just me or is Savior now the current Modern day OOv?
It was not just you... We just need another anytime w/ crazier shits to take savior down.
Don't worry my protoss breatherns1 The day will come for savior to eat his own biles and vomits. Just wait. Just you wait!
P.S.
Savior is awefully uninspired. It is as if GF started to win...Last edit: 2006-11-03 22:54:28 |
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| We Are Here November 03 2006 22:55. Posts 1732 | Profile Blog # |
| man i hate saviour first he beats boxer now ra i hope he loses the finals |
| | He who turns those around him into allies, possesses the most terrifying ability in the world. |
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| pyrogenetix China. November 04 2006 04:21. Posts 5055 | Profile Blog # | |
| | Yea that looks just like Kang Min... amazing game sense... and uses mind games well, but has the micro of a washed up progamer. |
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| dignitas.merz Sweden. November 04 2006 07:34. Posts 2528 | Profile Blog # |
| zergs are imbalanced, i told you! |
| | Winners never quit, quitters never win. |
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| righthand Haiti. November 05 2006 00:00. Posts 149 | Profile # |
| not zerg that's imba savior is imba |
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| We Are Here November 05 2006 00:14. Posts 1732 | Profile Blog # |
| i really hope there is someone capable of defeating him |
| | He who turns those around him into allies, possesses the most terrifying ability in the world. |
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| safe[3x] United States. November 05 2006 22:56. Posts 50 | Profile # |
come on guys, what is all this talk that saviour is so un-original and lame. If you're upset because your favorite player didnt win, thats different. I dont see any players making super original plays either guys...
I mean look at ra, he did fast expansion all 4 games...hows that for original.
Face it, they all basically do the same strategies, no ones making up new strats anymore...its all just execution.
ZvP imbalance you say? perhaps, but lets not forget that saviour's real shining point is his ZvT. His ZvT is what got him the MSL win before, and its what distinguished him from other zergs.
In my opinion his ZvT play is diferent (and seems to work better) compared to the pack of low-econ zergs we've seen so much lately (aka Yellow, July, Chojja). |
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| Prose Canada. November 14 2006 17:30. Posts 314 | Profile # |
After an epic first game that pushed both players to the max, the road still stretched out far in front of them. The dreamer toss had hit with his first salvo, but if that was the kind of game necessary to beat Savior, was it possible to do it three times? Game 2 was going to speak volumes in that regard, on a map that, at 6-3 PvZ, has a much more severe tilt in the balance.
--> Nal_Ra had LUCK on his side even in that first game. Those fat ultralisks got stuck at a narrow ramp, and I believe he would have lost that major battle if they had gone through.
However, none of these thoughts were going through rA’s mind as he opened at 11, placing his first pylon at his natural. He scouted Savior straight off, and seeing the hatchery first build felt confident to fast expand himself. He was mining gas far before his first gateway, and showed some amazing probe micro in preventing a second expo chance by savior over at 3. However, the Maestro got his expo, and dropped both a den and spire in front of the protoss scout, daring him to guess at the tech.
What the heck is this! Protoss is supposed to be the mind-game Race... |
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