 Gandalf[RTG] United States. November 18 2006 16:09. Posts 86 | Profile # |
| I thought dt dropping would be a good counter to this, but it never gets me anywhere. The drop never does enough damage to make up for the economy difference. Are there any other aproaches to countering early expo pvp? It's only happened to me when my opponent goes random, so I've already started off with a tech build. |
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 TopGear United Kingdom. November 18 2006 16:19. Posts 760 | Profile # |
How early is early?
There are so many ways to defeat a fast expo PvP. Mine usually tends to be pumping out of 4 gates and timing my attack so his eco doesn't kick in yet and I have more units.
When you dt drop, does he have cannons or obs? If its obs then it means he has robo, which has put him back quite a bit. He cannot afford to robo + expo "early".
Just throw up a couple more gates when you see him expo.
(BTW, this is how I do it, although in PvP I like to 4 gate goon a lot) |
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| mK.)) United States. November 18 2006 16:19. Posts 80 | Profile # | |
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| Gandalf[RTG] United States. November 18 2006 16:30. Posts 86 | Profile # |
I think it came at 12 or 14 supply. Before gates.
I get unlucky and scout last all the time. ><
Cannons used for detection in main and at expo, but there's always enough to prevent my dt's from killing anything except maybe the assimilator and a gateway. |
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| TopGear United Kingdom. November 18 2006 16:40. Posts 760 | Profile # |
Holy shit, if its expo before gates,
3/4 gate goon. Or reavers + goons.
I don't understand how you can lose to it, just punish him. |
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 thedeadhaji November 18 2006 17:18. Posts 25876 | Profile Blog # |
| aphi beats me every time with a timing attack when i expo relatively early pvp <3 |
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 micronesia United States. November 18 2006 20:50. Posts 12552 | Profile Blog # |
On November 18 2006 20:10 GrandInquisitor wrote:
Cannon his cliff.
Yes isn't this by far the biggest reason to not do it on a map like lt?
On luna stlye just all out ranged goon pressure or if you are confident you can try a teching strategy (seems like the opponent will let you make this decision). |
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 Yaqoob Canada. November 19 2006 00:06. Posts 2651 | Profile Blog # |
On November 18 2006 20:10 GrandInquisitor wrote:
Cannon his cliff.
I never FE on a map with a cliff because any good gamer will just cannon and I won't be able to stop it because of late tech.
On November 18 2006 17:18 thedeadhaji wrote:
aphi beats me every time with a timing attack when i expo relatively early pvp <3
Are you refering to Aphelion02 [aka SCC-Aphelion02]?
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 MyTHicaL Canada. November 19 2006 07:50. Posts 454 | Profile # |
| ... if he expo + cannons take 2 expos... or kill him infact him doing that makes u the controller of the game. dt drop worked a lot for me when i played... i ussaully was able to destroy his entire main doing it this is B- players btw - not gosus but not noobs (the majority) so basically u just need to drop faster if ur hearts set on that. |
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| Gandalf[RTG] United States. November 19 2006 07:58. Posts 86 | Profile # |
OK... thanks all. ^_^
I don't see a 3/4gate goon build working as well on maps like bladestorm and dalhia of jungle. >< |
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 Vin{MBL} November 19 2006 08:16. Posts 4997 | Profile Blog # |
oh no dont worry your PvP is imbal too
you dont need to improve it cuz that matchup is just imbal |
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| TopGear United Kingdom. November 19 2006 08:48. Posts 760 | Profile # |
On November 19 2006 07:58 Gandalf[RTG] wrote:
OK... thanks all. ^_^
I don't see a 3/4gate goon build working as well on maps like bladestorm and dalhia of jungle. ><
Why don't you think it would work? |
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| SteelString November 19 2006 08:53. Posts 445 | Profile # |
| ^You get an expansion in your base, and he can just hold ramp o= |
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| thedeadhaji November 19 2006 10:43. Posts 25876 | Profile Blog # |
On November 19 2006 00:06 Yaqoob wrote:I never FE on a map with a cliff because any good gamer will just cannon and I won't be able to stop it because of late tech.
Show nested quote +On November 18 2006 17:18 thedeadhaji wrote:
aphi beats me every time with a timing attack when i expo relatively early pvp <3
Are you refering to Aphelion02 [aka SCC-Aphelion02]?
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| TopGear United Kingdom. November 19 2006 14:40. Posts 760 | Profile # |
On November 19 2006 08:53 SteelString wrote:
^You get an expansion in your base, and he can just hold ramp o=
Good luck holding your ramp with your slow 2 gates to my 4 gate! |
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 Purind Canada. November 19 2006 14:58. Posts 3020 | Profile Blog # |
Yeah, I've played around with fe builds pvp too. Going drop style, while it may end the game outright, is not the safest thing to do. When I FE, I typically expect drops/dt's, so I'm atleast somewhat prepared for them. I remember losing to 4 gate goon, and although I didn't execute all that well, I have no idea how I would stop that, even if I had maphack and knew exactly what he had.
I'm pretty sure fe can't do anything about 3-4gate goon. |
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| GaG[SharKy] New Zealand. November 19 2006 18:54. Posts 221 | Profile # |
| try scouting faster, and seeing what build he is going, if he goes fast expo like u r having problems with, u could safely do a 2-3 gate zeal to win possibly?, even if u tech, he should be low on resource, and you should be able to out unit him with goons? |
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| Myrmidon United States. November 19 2006 20:43. Posts 2987 | Profile Blog # |
On November 19 2006 14:40 TopGear wrote:
Show nested quote +On November 19 2006 08:53 SteelString wrote:
^You get an expansion in your base, and he can just hold ramp o=
Good luck holding your ramp with your slow 2 gates to my 4 gate!
You know, high ground advantage (70% hit rate, not being able to see, having to retarget units, get into range, etc.) plus potential shield batteries and/or cannons are pretty significant considerations. And it's not like a FE build is ever going to be more than 400-500 minerals slower than a normal build (and how much of that is negated by 2 nexus economy beginning to kick in by the time of your attack, walking distance between mains, etc.?). |
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