 rK United States. June 12 2003 10:49. Posts 345 | Profile |
I'm a Zerg player, but I like to play PvP for a change. Anyways, was hoping some P guru's could give it a boost 
(Mostly use it against 1 gate robo btw)
- 8 pylon
- 10 gas
- 11 gate
- ~15 core
- 16 pylon
Once Core is done I get a goon and Citadel at the same time, plant a 2nd gate when Citadel finishes, get the speed upgrade, get a zeal or two, plant a 3rd gate, and start pumping zeals.
Soon I get templars, obs, forge ('grade attack only), and that's about it. Keep pumping zeals, plenty of templars, an archon and goon here and there. Expand at about the "usual" time, 10 minutes or so, earlier if safe. Reavers can be a real pain, but usually I'm able to storm them quickly. Most times I don't have to worry about psi storm, as they invested heavily in robo tech. The massive amounts of speed zeals coupled with blankets of psi storm rip goons apart.
But I think it can be better. Any BO changes, tips, or just comments are welcome. Here's a replay with pretty much the exact build, though mine varies a bit:
Replay Here
PlayGrr... vs xDsFire (Fire goes zeals)Last edit: 2003-06-12 11:09:05 |
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| rK United States. June 12 2003 10:52. Posts 345 | Profile |
Oh yeah...I don't know how common this strat or variations of mass zeals are in PvP (as I said, I'm normally a Z player). But if you haven't tried it, I'd suggest you do. It's fun ^^
If you have used it, how well does it do vs non-1 gate builds? I haven't had any luck. (I'm not counting 2 gate zeal rush/pressure as mass zeals  )Last edit: 2003-06-12 11:12:20 |
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 Marshall United States. June 12 2003 11:03. Posts 234 | Profile |
| that is the worst pvp build ive ever heard of in my entire life, it will lose to pretty much any other strat i could possibly think of. |
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 DevAzTaYtA Oman. June 12 2003 11:06. Posts 1858 | Profile Blog |
hrrm people still use 'build orders' ? 
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| ErOs_Probe Netherlands. June 12 2003 11:11. Posts 680 | Profile |
if u're a zerg user why care about some toss vs toss build up? just play the pvp game for fun instead of caring so much.
first of all chance it to 10 gate , 11 gas (if u go tech)
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 ejai63  United States. June 12 2003 11:16. Posts 2101 | Profile |
| why are you playing pvp? i hope its for fun, not a strategic move, espeically with that build |
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| rK United States. June 12 2003 11:16. Posts 345 | Profile |
On June 12 2003 11:11 ErOs_Probe wrote:
if u're a zerg user why care about some toss vs toss build up? just play the pvp game for fun instead of caring so much.
first of all chance it to 10 gate , 11 gas (if u go tech)
I do play for fun mostly, I've come to terms that I won't be a pro gamer. I do "different" builds, but it's still funner to win with them than lose
On June 12 2003 11:03 Marshall wrote:
that is the worst pvp build ive ever heard of in my entire life, it will lose to pretty much any other strat i could possibly think of.
Comment noted. There's no harm in trying new things...sometimes they aren't good ^^Last edit: 2003-06-12 11:21:59 |
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| ErOs_Probe Netherlands. June 12 2003 11:56. Posts 680 | Profile |
gas first is islands strat.
well if you don't care why want build order?
btw fast probe storm + cannon cliff is some strat! (unless he uses reaver which is 50% of the times) |
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 Liquid`Drone Norway. June 12 2003 12:27. Posts 16907 | Profile |
land build orders should never go past the first 14 supplies~
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| InFiNitY[pG] Germany. June 12 2003 12:33. Posts 2163 | Profile Blog |
starting with templar tech is a usual strat, even if still most players go robo tech first, but it can beat any other strat if played well.
pvp usually is about the first expansion. if you expand a lot earlier than him and are able to survive his attack ( if he does ;I ) you win usually win the game. same happens if he does not attack and decides to expand himself of course. at least if you dont lose lots of probes to a reaver or psi drop |
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| InFiNitY[pG] Germany. June 12 2003 12:36. Posts 2163 | Profile Blog |
and btw,
your build dies to 2gate zeal rush
it dies to fast dt rush
it dies to fast 3gate ranged goons
and im pretty sure it dies to any good early reaver build because you cannot harm him with your zeals once he has his first reaver, so you have to wait for psi and let him expand safely |
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| esk0 Sweden. June 12 2003 12:37. Posts 1393 | Profile |
8 pylon
10 gate
12 gas
14 pylon
14 zeal
17 core |
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 Beamo France. June 13 2003 02:48. Posts 1236 | Profile |
PvP, I like double gate ^^
only 3 zeals to put pressure and gaz near 16 (4 in gaz) to be able to follow any cyber tech player |
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| SuperCod United States. June 13 2003 03:18. Posts 337 | Profile |
double gate is definitely the safest build
on LT gaema or any other maps with narrow ramps 1 gating is fine too  |
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 Tom_BRowkaH Peru. June 13 2003 18:51. Posts 96 | Profile |
the best pvp build is:
8 pylon
10 gate
11 gas
13 forge
14 core
Then you build a lot of cannons and go carriers!11
theres nothing they can do against the power of m@$$ cann0n$ and your 1 stargate carriers off one base man you should try it |
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| Bl[a]Ze Canada. June 13 2003 19:15. Posts 111 | Profile |
| carriers vs toss? mm im no toss player but that strategy is a joke right? -.-V |
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| ejai63 United States. June 13 2003 19:33. Posts 2101 | Profile |
| uhh....blaze, try watching some reps and vods before you say dumb shit like that |
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 Frits Netherlands. June 13 2003 19:55. Posts 10698 | Profile |
| it was obviously just a joke T_T |
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| BlackJack-X17 United States. June 13 2003 20:01. Posts 158 | Profile |
On June 13 2003 19:33 ejai63 wrote:
uhh....blaze, try watching some reps and vods before you say dumb shit like that
Lol. that made you look pretty stupid. It was a joke and Blaze was right. So what are you talking about? |
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| BlackJack-X17 United States. June 13 2003 20:04. Posts 158 | Profile |
PvP, I always go 2 gate!
If they go
-pylon
-gate
-gas
-pylon
-core
I just get gas fairly quickly and don't pump any zealots, then I get reavers goons.
If they go
-pylon
-gate
-gas
-core
-pylon
I just send a few Z's, kill some probes, and get gas fairly quickly, and pump reavers goons.
If they go
-2 gate
I just get gas before them and defend their rush if there is one.
If they go
-3 gate goon
I go reaver goon and Micro good. |
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 SpiriT-DemoN- United States. June 13 2003 20:25. Posts 684 | Profile |
| Double gate is very effective vs. a fast cyber. but if you prefer to drag the game on.. 8 pylon, 10 gate, 11 gas, 11 zeal, 13 pylon, 15 cyber, then i like to bring in the dark templars and harass, this works most of the time unless your base is well scouted or they bring in fast robot/observer, by the time my dark temps arrive their cannons are just barely being built so it all micro from there. ;b |
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| ZEALOTPOWER Sweden. June 13 2003 20:34. Posts 4 | Profile |
On June 12 2003 12:33 InFiNitY[pG] wrote:
starting with templar tech is a usual strat, even if still most players go robo tech first, but it can beat any other strat if played well.
pvp usually is about the first expansion. if you expand a lot earlier than him and are able to survive his attack ( if he does ;I ) you win usually win the game. same happens if he does not attack and decides to expand himself of course. at least if you dont lose lots of probes to a reaver or psi drop
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| Tom_BRowkaH Peru. June 13 2003 20:50. Posts 96 | Profile |
Yeah that was a joke for you people who are confused! Massing cannons to carriers is not a good idea! ^^ blackjack has good ideas read his post its the most useful  Last edit: 2003-06-13 20:51:52 |
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| Liquid`Drone Norway. June 13 2003 20:51. Posts 16907 | Profile |
hm infinity
I think pvp is more about not expanding than expanding. 
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 Vicious)Soul United States. June 13 2003 20:57. Posts 857 | Profile |
| he said if you survive his attack. PvP is about power and who has more guys, the quick expo is a decent way to start off as long as you don't get overrun from the start |
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| Liquid`Drone Norway. June 13 2003 20:59. Posts 16907 | Profile |
| yeah but the thing is if you expand signifigantly before your opponent you're not supposed to survive his attack, unless you harmed him earlier. |
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| Marshall United States. June 13 2003 21:14. Posts 234 | Profile |
| drone infinity was right, you dont have to harm him to expand, its all build order up until the first expansion, whoever has the stronger build is goign to expand first, itd be stupid to attack with any units until you expand because you need them to defend that first attack coming at you if you do expand first. lol and theres more proof that the kid who is arguing for testie in the other thread is a newbie, he goes 2 gate every pvp... lol, 2 gate is the easiest build to beat, i could use my "i have no respect for you" strategy and rape it. hahaha |
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| BlackJack-X17 United States. June 13 2003 21:19. Posts 158 | Profile |
3-0 Marshall. 3-0...
BTW, the three games you picked Terran, probably because if you had picked P, you couldn't say "I wasn't trying I wasnt even my race! not fair! mommy!"
The sad part is, I killed your wall twice with my first couple goons.
If you want a game: Channel Clan X17 but you probably don't because most people don't like to lose.Last edit: 2003-06-13 21:20:29 |
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 FrozenArbiter Sweden. June 13 2003 21:30. Posts 26836 | Profile Blog |
| I think ejai meant that carriers aren't bad pvp ;o Not that that post wasn't a joke;o |
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| Marshall United States. June 13 2003 21:31. Posts 234 | Profile |
| blackjack i responded to that on the top 10 usa thread lol ... |
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| Bl[a]Ze Canada. June 13 2003 21:39. Posts 111 | Profile |
On June 13 2003 19:33 ejai63 wrote:
uhh....blaze, try watching some reps and vods before you say dumb shit like that
maybe YOU should watch some reps before u say dumb shit like that!
^^;; :O!!! |
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| ErOs_Probe Netherlands. June 13 2003 21:43. Posts 680 | Profile |
On June 13 2003 19:55 FrZ[9] wrote:
it was obviously just a joke T_T
course not, carriers is used a lot in pvp. i don't think THAT fast is good but watch nazgul vs leg rep. naz wins becuz of cars.
nazgul vs rekrul naz wins becuz of cars. |
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| BlackJack-X17 United States. June 13 2003 23:38. Posts 158 | Profile |
What happened is someone said
mass cannons to carriers is gosu!
then blaze says that is just a joke right?
and someone else said of couse not idiot, watch some replays. |
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| Liquid`Drone Norway. June 14 2003 00:16. Posts 16907 | Profile |
| first one to expand pvp dies if the other player counters accordingly and if they both make pretty much the same units. |
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| Pol Poland. June 14 2003 00:44. Posts 1186 | Profile |
| 12 probes and go |
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| rK United States. June 14 2003 18:03. Posts 345 | Profile |
| Ignoring my initial BO, I still prefer mass Zeals to mass Goons. I suppose at higher levels it wouldn't be quite as viable? (reaver/storm/etc micro is better, they aren't as surprised and know how to counter it better, et al) |
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