| Truefire United States. May 21 2011 13:50. Posts 225 | Profile # |
On May 21 2011 06:57 slyboogie wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 21 2011 06:24 Truefire wrote:+ Show Spoiler +"The next largest chunk o' chapters belongs to an old POV character who has been missing for a couple of books, but now returns to us... rather the worse for wear." I wonder who this character will be 
If it's + Show Spoiler +, I'm going to burn the book.
+ Show Spoiler +LOL, I'm feeling the same way. The obvious choice is Theon, but Martin was always unexpectable and for some I just feel like it's going to be Ned. |
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| fib Canada. May 21 2011 14:04. Posts 15 | Profile # |
On May 21 2011 06:57 slyboogie wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 21 2011 06:24 Truefire wrote:+ Show Spoiler +"The next largest chunk o' chapters belongs to an old POV character who has been missing for a couple of books, but now returns to us... rather the worse for wear." I wonder who this character will be
If it's + Show Spoiler +, I'm going to burn the book.
+ Show Spoiler +I thought it was gona be Catelyn, but I haven't read the previews.
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 Stroggoz New Zealand. May 21 2011 14:29. Posts 79 | Profile # |
On May 21 2011 13:50 Truefire wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 21 2011 06:57 slyboogie wrote:
On May 21 2011 06:24 Truefire wrote:+ Show Spoiler +"The next largest chunk o' chapters belongs to an old POV character who has been missing for a couple of books, but now returns to us... rather the worse for wear." I wonder who this character will be
If it's + Show Spoiler +, I'm going to burn the book.
LOL, I'm feeling the same way. The obvious choice is Theon, but Martin was always unexpectable and for some I just feel like it's going to be Ned.
benjen stark would be cool |
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| Loanshark China. May 21 2011 14:47. Posts 1709 | Profile Blog # |
On May 21 2011 14:29 Stroggoz wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 21 2011 13:50 Truefire wrote:
On May 21 2011 06:57 slyboogie wrote:
On May 21 2011 06:24 Truefire wrote:+ Show Spoiler +"The next largest chunk o' chapters belongs to an old POV character who has been missing for a couple of books, but now returns to us... rather the worse for wear." I wonder who this character will be
If it's + Show Spoiler +, I'm going to burn the book.
LOL, I'm feeling the same way. The obvious choice is Theon, but Martin was always unexpectable and for some I just feel like it's going to be Ned.
benjen stark would be cool
He says "old POV character" which rules out benjen and Theon but I thought Theon was already going to have a POV in this next book? |
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| Truefire United States. May 21 2011 14:53. Posts 225 | Profile # |
On May 21 2011 14:47 Loanshark wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 21 2011 14:29 Stroggoz wrote:
On May 21 2011 13:50 Truefire wrote:
On May 21 2011 06:57 slyboogie wrote:
On May 21 2011 06:24 Truefire wrote:+ Show Spoiler +"The next largest chunk o' chapters belongs to an old POV character who has been missing for a couple of books, but now returns to us... rather the worse for wear." I wonder who this character will be
If it's + Show Spoiler +, I'm going to burn the book.
LOL, I'm feeling the same way. The obvious choice is Theon, but Martin was always unexpectable and for some I just feel like it's going to be Ned.
benjen stark would be cool
He says "old POV character" which rules out benjen and Theon but I thought Theon was already going to have a POV in this next book?
Theon had a POV in the 2nd book. |
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| Robstickle Great Britain. May 21 2011 15:05. Posts 392 | Profile # |
+ Show Spoiler [Preview Chapters] +It's Theon, now known as Reek.
More importantly, It's been confirmed that Brienne will + Show Spoiler +not have any POV chapters, I wonder if this means that she really died at the end of AFFC. Last edit: 2011-05-21 15:11:11 |
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| zalz Netherlands. May 21 2011 15:21. Posts 3291 | Profile Blog # |
Dance characters:
+ Show Spoiler +It's Theon without a doubt. An old PoV character that returns but will be a bit worse for wear. I allready read his Theon chapter from Dance.
It's Theon, there really isn't any need to wonder, it's just Theon. |
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| Shaithis United States. May 21 2011 23:20. Posts 383 | Profile # |
Oh man; I remember reading the first four books a few years ago. Then, I re-read them a few years later. Awed by the awesome cliffhangers at the end of Book 4, I went to Barnes and Noble looking for Book 5, and was told that it was going to be another few years!!
Now, it is finally coming out; think I may be re-reading the books a third time (barring #1, which has been conveniently brought to TV). Ah well, the hardcover books are a perfect size to balance on the console of an ellipsis machine. Last edit: 2011-05-21 23:20:24 |
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| Shaithis United States. May 21 2011 23:26. Posts 383 | Profile # |
On May 15 2011 01:31 Cylon wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 15 2011 01:18 Vykenos wrote:
On May 10 2011 00:14 Zeroes wrote:thoerycrafting + Show Spoiler +just some thoery crafting I think jon snow isn't ned's bastard but the son of the king and ned's sister
Nah, I dont think Robert. Some theorycrafting I have seen and agree with is that he is the son of Rhaegar and Lyanna.
I think that is the popular opinion .
BIG spoilers, don't open if you have not finished all books:
+ Show Spoiler +I think that that this is a bit of a stretch; the fact that Jon is a Stark is (1) very important to him, and (2) rather important for Stark representation, as they have been rather "thinned" recently.
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| Isengrim Ireland. May 21 2011 23:46. Posts 30 | Profile # |
On May 21 2011 23:26 Shaithis wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 15 2011 01:31 Cylon wrote:
On May 15 2011 01:18 Vykenos wrote:
On May 10 2011 00:14 Zeroes wrote:thoerycrafting + Show Spoiler +just some thoery crafting I think jon snow isn't ned's bastard but the son of the king and ned's sister
Nah, I dont think Robert. Some theorycrafting I have seen and agree with is that he is the son of Rhaegar and Lyanna.
I think that is the popular opinion .
BIG spoilers, don't open if you have not finished all books: + Show Spoiler +I think that that this is a bit of a stretch; the fact that Jon is a Stark is (1) very important to him, and (2) rather important for Stark representation, as they have been rather "thinned" recently.
+ Show Spoiler +Under this theory he would still be a Stark on his mother's side. Which would also explain Catelyn frequently noticing that Jon looks more like Ned than any of the other children.
Of course this is all speculation, and we probably won't find if there's any truth to it until much later. Who would even know the truth at this point, with Ned dead? Maybe Barristan as one of the only surviving Kingsguard from Aery's reign, Jon's wetnurse/mother killed herself didn't she?
It would be incredibly epic if the entire series wound up being about Jon and Daenerys' journey to meet each other and save the world, at least I think so.
As for the Starks surviving as a bloodline, I suspect Rickon will be kept somewhere safe for the rest of the books. Plus Bran, Arya and Sansa are still alive and kicking. Last edit: 2011-05-21 23:59:01 |
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| zalz Netherlands. May 22 2011 00:19. Posts 3291 | Profile Blog # |
On May 21 2011 23:46 Isengrim wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 21 2011 23:26 Shaithis wrote:
On May 15 2011 01:31 Cylon wrote:
On May 15 2011 01:18 Vykenos wrote:
On May 10 2011 00:14 Zeroes wrote:thoerycrafting + Show Spoiler +just some thoery crafting I think jon snow isn't ned's bastard but the son of the king and ned's sister
Nah, I dont think Robert. Some theorycrafting I have seen and agree with is that he is the son of Rhaegar and Lyanna.
I think that is the popular opinion .
BIG spoilers, don't open if you have not finished all books: + Show Spoiler +I think that that this is a bit of a stretch; the fact that Jon is a Stark is (1) very important to him, and (2) rather important for Stark representation, as they have been rather "thinned" recently.
Under this theory he would still be a Stark on his mother's side. Which would also explain Catelyn frequently noticing that Jon looks more like Ned than any of the other children.
Of course this is all speculation, and we probably won't find if there's any truth to it until much later. Who would even know the truth at this point, with Ned dead? Maybe Barristan as one of the only surviving Kingsguard from Aery's reign, Jon's wetnurse/mother killed herself didn't she?
It would be incredibly epic if the entire series wound up being about Jon and Daenerys' journey to meet each other and save the world, at least I think so.
As for the Starks surviving as a bloodline, I suspect Rickon will be kept somewhere safe for the rest of the books. Plus Bran, Arya and Sansa are still alive and kicking.
Plot speculation, don't read if you haven't read 1-4 or don't want to read possible theories.
+ Show Spoiler +Ned went to the tower of joy where Lyanna was kept with 7 people. He faced off against 3 of the kingsguard and only Ned and Howland Reed survived.
Howland Reed knows the secret of the tower of joy and what happened to Lyanna (lost blood, died, could be childbirth gone wrong). Who happens to know Howland Reed? His two children that are travelling with Bran.
I believe eventually the secret will be out when Howland Reed reveals it, the only person left alive to know the secret of wether or not Jon is the son of Rhaegar/Lyanna or not. For me it's even in the title.
A song of ice and fire. Lyanna as a Stark is ice and Rhaegar being Targaryen is ofcourse fire. The song is Jon. |
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| deth2munkies United States. May 22 2011 00:52. Posts 1811 | Profile Blog # |
| I'm about 6 chapters deep into the first book, I've been trying to find something to read while waiting for Ghost Story and I just really can't get into it. It seems kind of like he's just throwing in a bunch of stuff without any real explanation except "This will be important later". I dunno, does it get better? |
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| SF-Fork Russian Federation. May 22 2011 01:44. Posts 1251 | Profile Blog # |
| Seldom I've ever liked any book 60 pages in. In this case book 1 is just the prologue to the story, but in the end you'll find the greatest fantasy novel ever written (un less Martin screws up) |
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| Acid~ France. May 22 2011 01:56. Posts 439 | Profile # |
On May 22 2011 00:52 deth2munkies wrote:I'm about 6 chapters deep into the first book, I've been trying to find something to read while waiting for Ghost Story and I just really can't get into it. It seems kind of like he's just throwing in a bunch of stuff without any real explanation except "This will be important later". I dunno, does it get better?
It most certainly does. Keep in mind that this story is going to be like 8,000 pages long, so really the first half of the first book is like the first chapter of a "normal" book, where you're introduced to the world and the characters.
About halfway through the first book, shit starts happening and then it never stops. |
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| Ostracized Canada. May 22 2011 02:54. Posts 51 | Profile # |
On May 21 2011 14:47 Loanshark wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 21 2011 14:29 Stroggoz wrote:
On May 21 2011 13:50 Truefire wrote:
On May 21 2011 06:57 slyboogie wrote:
On May 21 2011 06:24 Truefire wrote:+ Show Spoiler +"The next largest chunk o' chapters belongs to an old POV character who has been missing for a couple of books, but now returns to us... rather the worse for wear." I wonder who this character will be
If it's + Show Spoiler +, I'm going to burn the book.
LOL, I'm feeling the same way. The obvious choice is Theon, but Martin was always unexpectable and for some I just feel like it's going to be Ned.
benjen stark would be cool
He says "old POV character" which rules out benjen and Theon but I thought Theon was already going to have a POV in this next book?
What about the Onion Knight? Last edit: 2011-05-22 02:54:28 |
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| Shaithis United States. May 23 2011 02:21. Posts 383 | Profile # |
On May 22 2011 00:52 deth2munkies wrote:I'm about 6 chapters deep into the first book, I've been trying to find something to read while waiting for Ghost Story and I just really can't get into it. It seems kind of like he's just throwing in a bunch of stuff without any real explanation except "This will be important later". I dunno, does it get better?
The first 6 chapters basically revolve around the introduction of characters that you will be seeing for the rest of the series. That said, there have been quite a big of interesting events and expositions thus far. A good portion of the story will continue to be told in an "epic" style as opposed to the constant "action and suspense" style that is the Dresden Files. My suggestion would be to stick it out, but if it's not your thing, then just watch the TV show. |
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| Treadmill Canada. May 23 2011 02:39. Posts 2116 | Profile # |
On May 22 2011 02:54 Ostracized wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 21 2011 14:47 Loanshark wrote:
On May 21 2011 14:29 Stroggoz wrote:
On May 21 2011 13:50 Truefire wrote:
On May 21 2011 06:57 slyboogie wrote:
On May 21 2011 06:24 Truefire wrote:+ Show Spoiler +"The next largest chunk o' chapters belongs to an old POV character who has been missing for a couple of books, but now returns to us... rather the worse for wear." I wonder who this character will be
If it's + Show Spoiler +, I'm going to burn the book.
LOL, I'm feeling the same way. The obvious choice is Theon, but Martin was always unexpectable and for some I just feel like it's going to be Ned.
benjen stark would be cool
He says "old POV character" which rules out benjen and Theon but I thought Theon was already going to have a POV in this next book?
What about the Onion Knight?
+ Show Spoiler +He's only been missing for one book. It's have to be someone who wasn't in either Feast for Crows or Storm of Swords. Which leaves Theon or Eddard. So probably Theon. |
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| Bagi May 23 2011 02:44. Posts 5876 | Profile # |
On May 21 2011 06:57 slyboogie wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 21 2011 06:24 Truefire wrote:+ Show Spoiler +"The next largest chunk o' chapters belongs to an old POV character who has been missing for a couple of books, but now returns to us... rather the worse for wear." I wonder who this character will be
If it's + Show Spoiler +, I'm going to burn the book.
+ Show Spoiler +
It's Theon. His first chapter was released as a teaser, but I don't remember where I read it exactly. He's taken the identity of "Reek", he's being held and tortured by Ramsay Bolton.
The chapter is quite disgusting, really made me feel sorry for Theon despite all the things he did.
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| Klunssila Finland. May 23 2011 04:08. Posts 219 | Profile # |
| btw, for those of you that don't know: GRRM has released the chapters for + Show Spoiler + of dance |
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| ~ava Canada. May 23 2011 04:42. Posts 350 | Profile Blog # |
I just started the series; I'm about halfway through book 1 and finding that the characters are very one-dimensional, moreso than I like or am used to. So far:
+ Show Spoiler +The king is a womanizing drunk.
Lysa's boy is a spoiled brat.
Viserys just yells all the time, has no redeeming features.
So far these characters don't feel like "real people". I'm going to read all the books so don't worry, but I hope it gets better. |
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