For example, here's what you could have said that would have made you sound like an adult:
On May 18 2012 03:02 Silvertine probably should have written: Hmm... I find this hard to believe. Do you have any source for this claim? It seems like the only relevant thing would the interaction of the active ingredient (or, in the case of cannabis, a aggregation of related active ingredients) with the brain, so I don't see how there could be any difference in effects caused by the method of delivery - or only to the extent that the method of delivery affects the dosage. It doesn't seem plausible to me that the brain would be able to recognize a method of delivery as a stimulus or environmental factor that would change the way you react to the drug.
Instead, you wrote:
Silvertine wrote: Yeah that's nonsense.
Silvertine wrote: The fact that you don't have a source is irrelevant, what you said was just white noise anyway. There's absolutely no reason why using different methods would relate to tolerance in any way.
this claim is no more substantiated than mine, by the way: both require equal burdens of proof, if we're going to go around "proving" things (which wasn't really my intention, I was just passing along an interesting fact that I learned from a source I trust).
And what would it mean for my claim to be "white noise"? The term would seem to imply that there was no informational content to what I said, which is clearly not the case, regardless of whether you agree with me or not. There's no reason to say this except to be rude and belligerent.
Silvertine wrote: You're the one proposing the baseless theory so the burden of proof is upon you. If you can't provide a single source or piece of evidence then the argument is settled.
When did this turn into an argument? Why is it "baseless"? I never claimed to be an expert. Are you? Do you know that this is not the case? Have you studied pharmacology? I don't really know a lot but I dated a psychologist for four years so I have a lot of half-remembered facts for which I can't instantly provide attribution in order to "prove" things to you... I don't think the fact that I don't carry around an annotated bibliography means you should call me a bullshitter. I may be MISTAKEN but it certainly isn't BULLSHIT (since being accused of "bullshitting" is something of a professional hazard for me, I make it a policy never to do this).
Anyway, I told you what my source was in the post before this. You may not think it is a good source, or you may not accept my vouching for the fact that I found the source reliable, but, again, my intention was not to step into the ring here (and I wouldn't, since I'm not an expert on this topic). As far as I know, this is still an open question in the field (there hasn't been a ton of research on cannabis, for political reasons), but I would rate my confidence in the claim I made at about 90%. My confidence in the claim in the specific case of heroin I would rate much higher, because I remember this distinctly (about the time I learned this fact, there was a heroin overdose on my campus, and taking the drug in an unfamiliar situation played a role in this kid's death, because when you take heroin in a familiar situation your body expects it and compensates ahead of time, meaning that your normal dose will be an overdose in an unfamiliar situation).
Silvertine wrote: It seems like you're totally confused over the issue. That experiment has absolutely no relevancy at all to this discussion. The claim that was made is that switching methods to smoke cannabis helps reset your tolerance level. How does that do anything to substantiate that claim?
If you read the post, I address this. The point is just that environmental factors can impact the effects of drugs, which is a proposition you reject out of hand (baselessly, and without a source, I might add):
There's absolutely no reason why using different methods would relate to tolerance in any way.
This entire silly argument is based off of your misunderstanding of what the issue was.
I don't think so. here was the post that sparked the discussion. Meeks wrote:
If you smoke bowl after bowl in one night, you eventually reach a point where you can't really get much higher. When these habits go on for a month or two, of constant smoking everyday, it really can become hard to get that high feeling. You have to start smoking through different methods, i.e. hash oil, gravs, vapes, etc. to mix things up. O freshman year of college....
Then you got really defensive.
I didn't get defensive... you just told me I was full of shit for no reason, and without offering any critique or discussion besides simply claiming that what I said could not possibly be the case, "just because." I did take exception to the fact that you have no manners, and I want to rectify that situation by helping you see how you've behaved badly, in the hopes that you will learn and acquire some cultural capital.
It's not a "pissing contest" to merely challenge something you said.
It's not THAT you challenged, it's HOW... which was the sophomore-with-chip-on-shoulder rhetorical strategy.
In the future, if you disagree with somebody, you should say WHY you find what they are saying not to be plausible (see above), rather than just rejecting it out of hand and going on (hypocritically) about "the burden of proof" and how "the argument is settled" (I'm getting the image of a ref at a wrestling match, pounding on the mat and yelling "SETTLED!").
tl;dr be nice yo, respect others
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PrAeToR.FeNiX Canada. May 18 2012 09:26. Posts 320
On May 18 2012 09:26 PrAeToR.FeNiX wrote: Thank god i have that volcano vaporizer ... i work longer , make ton of cash but fuck i start to suck at Star 2
Yeah but at least it's way less stressful playing...
Just can't expect sick results lol.
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Frumpysnoo United States. May 18 2012 09:44. Posts 206
Man I've been dry for like a month and a half now. I normally buy through a buddy of mine, but we haven't really been on speaking terms in a while. That and I didn't really like buying through him because I'm pretty sure he pinched quite a bit (and I'm not talking like a gram). Been mad stressed, can't sleep and just bored off my ass =L. I thought about asking around my uni to get a connect but..I don't have the balls to do it haha. I feel like such a fiend!
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On May 18 2012 09:26 PrAeToR.FeNiX wrote: Thank god i have that volcano vaporizer ... i work longer , make ton of cash but fuck i start to suck at Star 2
I fucking love those. Have you tried vapor with mint? It makes hits icey.
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BreakfastBurrito United States. May 18 2012 10:31. Posts 668
On May 18 2012 09:44 Frumpysnoo wrote: Man I've been dry for like a month and a half now. I normally buy through a buddy of mine, but we haven't really been on speaking terms in a while. That and I didn't really like buying through him because I'm pretty sure he pinched quite a bit (and I'm not talking like a gram). Been mad stressed, can't sleep and just bored off my ass =L. I thought about asking around my uni to get a connect but..I don't have the balls to do it haha. I feel like such a fiend!
a scale would be a good tool in this situation, unless you have problems owning paraphernalia (i know i do lol) if you continue to not smoke you'll be able to sleep better (or if you start smoking again, its just the fact that you stopped and your body is adjusting) GL bro, hate to hear about awkward situations like this
on the argument that was going on: Try it out bros, see for yourself. You guys coulda said, well I think its true and my tolerance is high, lets see if I need less amount of weed from piece X compared to bong Y etc etc No arguing necessary, i'd hate to see this thread bring about hostility over something that is suppose to be the opposite
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Silvertine United States. May 18 2012 17:53. Posts 509
Someone was good enough to upload The Room in it's entirety on youtube. As Tommy Wiseau would say: I highly recommend that you watch it at least twice. By far the funniest movie that I've ever seen.
On May 18 2012 18:00 SKDN wrote: I was cleaning my room and found my some leftovers from a year ago today is a good day!
Got that is like the greatest feeling ever; I found some a few weeks ago in my inside coat pocket :D
Tonight I got 10 bucks and I'll probably go and get a dime. I don't think I have ever smoked an entire dime alone, so if my mom/ sister (she smokes too though so it might be cool) go out then I might try it :D
Expect me here later
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sam!zdat United States. May 19 2012 01:40. Posts 4170
On May 18 2012 09:26 PrAeToR.FeNiX wrote: Thank god i have that volcano vaporizer ... i work longer , make ton of cash but fuck i start to suck at Star 2
Yeah but at least it's way less stressful playing...
Just can't expect sick results lol.
Oh man imagine going to a doctor and getting a recommendation because of your ladder anxiety!
On May 18 2012 09:26 PrAeToR.FeNiX wrote: Thank god i have that volcano vaporizer ... i work longer , make ton of cash but fuck i start to suck at Star 2
Yeah but at least it's way less stressful playing...
Just can't expect sick results lol.
Oh man imagine going to a doctor and getting a recommendation because of your ladder anxiety!
AHAHAHA OMG
Someone in Cali try this, just for shits and giggles, please? Please!?
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randommuch United States. May 19 2012 06:38. Posts 299
Yeah, I know it's not analogous. But the point is that environmental cues can affect response to drugs. Method of delivery is an environmental cue. You can think about it as something like a pavlovian response if that helps.
Again, the discussion is whether or not those methods would help reset your tolerance level. There is zero evidence that that is the case.
This entire silly argument is based off of your misunderstanding of what the issue was. Then you got really defensive. The guy who brought the point up to begin with will probably just laugh at what it resulted in.
Personal opinion is agreeing with sam!zdat because you have a different mood depending where you're at. That and which piece/method you choose to smoke with I feel also is determined on your surroundings. Like if you're chillin at home after work and sittin on a bong/bub you're going to feel really good and keyed, but if it was say outside strolling through the park and you decide to have a joint, you feel just numbed out. You just have really different highs depending on what you're doing, least that's my 2 cents.
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-orb- United States. May 19 2012 12:42. Posts 5664
Anyone ever made QWISO? Plan on giving it a shot in a day or two, not sure what to expect. Have a bit over a quarter to play with, I'd like to get at least 1gram yield, hopefully more. I wish I knew exactly what % yield to expect, I've read plenty of guides but theres nothing too conclusive.
Also who's getting baked in preperation for proleague? I certainly will be in ~15 minutes ^_^
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jcroisdale United States. May 20 2012 12:14. Posts 1289
who are these people ruining this thread. Keep it simple and calm down the arguing. Here is a song, smoke weed and listen to it.
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sam!zdat United States. May 18 2012 09:15. Posts 4170
today is a good day!
