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| Epoch Canada. March 22 2012 23:36. Posts 257 | Profile # |
On March 22 2012 15:15 brachester wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 14:45 Forikorder wrote:
On March 22 2012 14:02 brachester wrote:
On March 22 2012 11:55 StorkHwaiting wrote:
On March 22 2012 11:53 Forikorder wrote:
On March 22 2012 11:52 iSometric wrote:
God, this stupid sage shit... Making new plot holes all the time!
can someone please elaborate why they hate that Kabuto has sage mode so much?
Yah i'm not understanding it. Did they think Kabuto just sat around fapping to pics of Orochi the whole time?
because it came out of no where with no build up + it's supposed to be a super hard technique to master. Naruto only managed to learn it because..... OP fox charkra..... and now BAM kabuto pulled it out of nowhere, it makes the "significance" of the technique less impressive. So instead of "Oh shit, he got sage mode", everyone was getting "uh?" instead. Though i'm already used to these asspull justu from naruto for quite a while now so mere.
NArutos fox Chakra had nothing to do with ith his fox chakra only made it harder becuase the toads couldnt sit on his shoulders and there was no build up to Sasuke obtaining the Mangekyo or the amaterasu or the EMS or the susano'o there was no build upo for Danzo to learn the Izanagi or for Madara to get ressurected there was no build up when the water lord guy pulled out his uber clone, there was no build up when the immortal guy pulled out his uber hearts the bad guys rarely get a build up if they spend time building up the power of every single villain the manga would be 2000 chapters long and tehre wouldnt be any surprises
That's why Naruto's late chapters are bad and I only read it for fun. Did I ever said anything before that was good?. You're arguing against now one here. I'm just explaining to him why everyone's complaining but I'm not.
Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 15:13 Epoch wrote:
On March 22 2012 11:52 iSometric wrote:
God, this stupid sage shit... Making new plot holes all the time!
Why are people so stupid? This is nothing close to a plot hole. There are no plot holes in this series that I've seen. Everyone just randomly says things are plot holes when they aren't even using the word in the right context. I challenge anybody to show me a true plot hole in the series. I doubt there's any, and if there are the number would be very few.
On March 22 2012 14:02 brachester wrote:
On March 22 2012 11:55 StorkHwaiting wrote:
On March 22 2012 11:53 Forikorder wrote:
On March 22 2012 11:52 iSometric wrote:
God, this stupid sage shit... Making new plot holes all the time!
can someone please elaborate why they hate that Kabuto has sage mode so much?
Yah i'm not understanding it. Did they think Kabuto just sat around fapping to pics of Orochi the whole time?
because it came out of no where with no build up + it's supposed to be a super hard technique to master. Naruto only managed to learn it because..... OP fox charkra..... and now BAM kabuto pulled it out of nowhere, it makes the "significance" of the technique less impressive. So instead of "Oh shit, he got sage mode", everyone was getting "uh?" instead. Though i'm already used to these asspull justu from naruto for quite a while now so mere.
uhhh. no. fox chakra only makes it harder for naruto to master. he didn't pull it out of nowhere. do you people not realise that every little detail of every characters life can't be displayed in the manga because the only have roughly 15 pages a week and have to progress the story? just because it didn't specifically show kabuto training doesn't mean he wasn't training. we've known for a very long time that kabuto is powerful and his powers were mysterious. you people who just randomly shout plot holes really embarass yourselves with how little you know and understand of what you are talking about. haha so silly, i just came here to talk about something that i love and i'm here having to defend it from people making absurd comments. i did love this chapter. kabuto looks sick and i think it's madd cool he's rockin snake sage mode.
Since I just realized you called everyone here complaining about Naruto knows nothing about it, i'm just gonna leave it here. Naruto's can clone (due to fox charkra) so he train faster http://www.tenmanga.com/chapter/Naruto412/173665-10.htmlNaruto can recover faster (once again because of the OP FOX) http://www.tenmanga.com/chapter/Naruto415/173671-14.htmlAnd you said the fox charkra makes it harder for the frog to sit on is irrelevent because it's only harder for the frog, not naruto's training. So yeah, you're the only one embarrassing yourself here. You sound like a typical blind fanboy who can't take criticism. Edit: How old are you really?
Actually, fool, as usual he has to suppress the fox chakra using his own chakra which actually weakens his overall chakra use and cannot use fox chakra during multi shadow clone training or else he risks transforming. That's why when he was doing nature training Yamato was there to help suppress the fox. The fox chakra wasn't involved in that at all, only as a hindrance.
And he didn't even use multi shadow clone training during sage mode training, because he couldn't. He only made a few clones after the fact to store chakra for him to extend the life of his sage mode. Also not involving the fox.
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| oni_link Germany. March 22 2012 23:56. Posts 135 | Profile # |
| naruto had to train sage mode really fast because pain was coming, kabuto went missing since orochimaru died, and has multiple types of cells in him that make saging easier(snake cells i suppose+juugo's cells) |
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| AXygnus Portugal. March 23 2012 00:00. Posts 926 | Profile Blog # |
On March 22 2012 18:40 InFdude wrote:
Haha while I was writing a response to you explaining why Kabuto should worry about fighting an unexpected 2vs1 a random thought occured to me.I was thinking so ok what can Kabuto's plan possibly be cuz think about it there is no way he's gonna kill an edo tensei and as far as I know he has no sealing technique like Gaara.Then I though to myself - the only one who can undo Edo Tensei is Kabuto so maybe at some point Kabuto is just gonna undo Edo Tensei getting rid of Itachi.
And in my mind the battles goes like this so Sasuke is aggresive, Kabuto beats him with w/e bs jutsu's he pulls out.Then Itachi steps in, they fight for a while but Itachi comes on top so Kabuto undoes Edo Tensei to get rid of Itachi (seeing as how his goal was to get Sasuke from the start and asuming he is in a weakened state near him, Kabuto has no reason to keep helping Tobi).Then Itachi , while dispersing, basically in some underlining plot might be like yeah we made it we got rid of edo tensei.And then Sasuke goes on some worried monologue how he doesn't want itachi to leave him again and what will he do now.And then Itachi gives him some little speech that raises his morale(or unlocks some new w/e jutsu) and then Sasuke and Kabuto hit it off with the victor most likely being Sasuke.
That would actually be pretty cool IMO. |
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| Wrathsc2 United States. March 23 2012 01:10. Posts 1877 | Profile # |
On March 23 2012 00:00 AXygnus wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 18:40 InFdude wrote:
Haha while I was writing a response to you explaining why Kabuto should worry about fighting an unexpected 2vs1 a random thought occured to me.I was thinking so ok what can Kabuto's plan possibly be cuz think about it there is no way he's gonna kill an edo tensei and as far as I know he has no sealing technique like Gaara.Then I though to myself - the only one who can undo Edo Tensei is Kabuto so maybe at some point Kabuto is just gonna undo Edo Tensei getting rid of Itachi.
And in my mind the battles goes like this so Sasuke is aggresive, Kabuto beats him with w/e bs jutsu's he pulls out.Then Itachi steps in, they fight for a while but Itachi comes on top so Kabuto undoes Edo Tensei to get rid of Itachi (seeing as how his goal was to get Sasuke from the start and asuming he is in a weakened state near him, Kabuto has no reason to keep helping Tobi).Then Itachi , while dispersing, basically in some underlining plot might be like yeah we made it we got rid of edo tensei.And then Sasuke goes on some worried monologue how he doesn't want itachi to leave him again and what will he do now.And then Itachi gives him some little speech that raises his morale(or unlocks some new w/e jutsu) and then Sasuke and Kabuto hit it off with the victor most likely being Sasuke.
That would actually be pretty cool IMO.
That would involve sasuke turning good. Which is dumb imo. All this build up for him being evil is too much, naruto gotta kill him and thats that. |
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| NotSorry United States. March 23 2012 01:13. Posts 5370 | Profile Blog # |
| Was he ever evil? Seemed more just like an angsty emo kid wanting attention |
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| Forikorder March 23 2012 01:54. Posts 5275 | Profile # |
On March 22 2012 15:47 brachester wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 15:45 Forikorder wrote:
Naruto's can clone (due to fox charkra)
what? that has nothing to do with his fox chakra
Naruto can recover faster (once again because of the OP FOX)
thats never had any plot signifance at all
And you said the fox charkra makes it harder for the frog to sit on is irrelevent because it's only harder for the frog, not naruto's training.
the whole point of the training was getting the skills neccesary to allow the frog to sit on you
Read the manga again. And don't deny the fact by saying "it's not significant" because hey, they put it there for a reason. And because of my above 2 points, naruto can train to that level, not really sure why you bring that last part in.
i guess that means the Third Hokage has fox Chakra since he can make shadow clones
and i guess Kakashi has fox Xhakra cause he made shadow clones
even without the fox chakra as a supplment Naruto was BORN with an amazingly large amount of chakra which isnt surpriseing due to his parentage, this large amount of chakra is what allows him to make so many shadow clones and learn sage jutsu, the only fox chakra naruto gets is a very small amount that trickles out of the seal except during the obvious times when he pulls out a massive amount (note he didnt start using fox chakra VS gaara until he summoned the toad) so Narutos fox chakra hasnt helped him get stronger aside from when he learned how to control it and when he needed to summon Gammabunta |
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| DarKcS Australia. March 23 2012 19:37. Posts 1181 | Profile Blog # |
On March 23 2012 01:13 NotSorry wrote:
Was he ever evil? Seemed more just like an angsty emo kid wanting attention
You have any idea how many people and soldiers he killed while with Orichimaru? |
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| Instigata United States. March 23 2012 21:40. Posts 519 | Profile # |
| this series has gone so far off the cliff its ridiculous now, its dbz gt. |
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| Fawkes Canada. March 23 2012 21:45. Posts 1673 | Profile Blog # |
On March 23 2012 19:37 DarKcS wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 01:13 NotSorry wrote:
Was he ever evil? Seemed more just like an angsty emo kid wanting attention
You have any idea how many people and soldiers he killed while with Orichimaru?
I believe it was 0. Wasn't there a panel that explained that Sasuke never killed them? The only people he actually "killed" is Danzo and to some extent, Oro.Last edit: 2012-03-23 21:46:01 |
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| Forikorder March 24 2012 01:33. Posts 5275 | Profile # |
On March 23 2012 21:45 Fawkes wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 19:37 DarKcS wrote:
On March 23 2012 01:13 NotSorry wrote:
Was he ever evil? Seemed more just like an angsty emo kid wanting attention
You have any idea how many people and soldiers he killed while with Orichimaru?
I believe it was 0. Wasn't there a panel that explained that Sasuke never killed them? The only people he actually "killed" is Danzo and to some extent, Oro.
and attempted murder on every Kage, succesful murder on a bunch of samurai on his way to the kage and he plans on burning Konoha and killing everyone in it |
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| Duravi United States. March 24 2012 04:33. Posts 1205 | Profile # |
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| Dark_Chill Canada. March 24 2012 10:21. Posts 1065 | Profile # |
On March 24 2012 01:33 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 21:45 Fawkes wrote:
On March 23 2012 19:37 DarKcS wrote:
On March 23 2012 01:13 NotSorry wrote:
Was he ever evil? Seemed more just like an angsty emo kid wanting attention
You have any idea how many people and soldiers he killed while with Orichimaru?
I believe it was 0. Wasn't there a panel that explained that Sasuke never killed them? The only people he actually "killed" is Danzo and to some extent, Oro.
and attempted murder on every Kage, succesful murder on a bunch of samurai on his way to the kage and he plans on burning Konoha and killing everyone in it
Sasuke only fought the samurai and the other kage to get to Danzo i.e he didn't want to kill them. He's not the kind of evil where he's evil because he's just evil and wants to kill people/take over the world, he's evil in the sense that he wants revenge. |
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| Forikorder March 24 2012 10:42. Posts 5275 | Profile # |
On March 24 2012 10:21 Dark_Chill wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 01:33 Forikorder wrote:
On March 23 2012 21:45 Fawkes wrote:
On March 23 2012 19:37 DarKcS wrote:
On March 23 2012 01:13 NotSorry wrote:
Was he ever evil? Seemed more just like an angsty emo kid wanting attention
You have any idea how many people and soldiers he killed while with Orichimaru?
I believe it was 0. Wasn't there a panel that explained that Sasuke never killed them? The only people he actually "killed" is Danzo and to some extent, Oro.
and attempted murder on every Kage, succesful murder on a bunch of samurai on his way to the kage and he plans on burning Konoha and killing everyone in it
Sasuke only fought the samurai and the other kage to get to Danzo i.e he didn't want to kill them. He's not the kind of evil where he's evil because he's just evil and wants to kill people/take over the world, he's evil in the sense that he wants revenge.
he could have avoided killing them, that would ahve been the smarter thing to do since he ahdnt been discovered at that point, but he went out to fight the Samurai while the rest of his squad hid, and its because of him going out to kill the Samurai that the Raikage found them so quickly in the first place |
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| WolfintheSheep Canada. March 24 2012 11:00. Posts 1966 | Profile # |
On March 23 2012 01:13 NotSorry wrote:
Was he ever evil? Seemed more just like an angsty emo kid wanting attention
Good and Evil may be blurry, but the moment that you can consider genocide without any hesitation is when you've crossed a clear moral line.
Given how crappy the popular mangas are with characters and story, though, expect Sasuke to "redeemed" without any penalties. |
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| Gummy United States. March 24 2012 16:59. Posts 2169 | Profile Blog # |
On March 24 2012 10:42 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 10:21 Dark_Chill wrote:
On March 24 2012 01:33 Forikorder wrote:
On March 23 2012 21:45 Fawkes wrote:
On March 23 2012 19:37 DarKcS wrote:
On March 23 2012 01:13 NotSorry wrote:
Was he ever evil? Seemed more just like an angsty emo kid wanting attention
You have any idea how many people and soldiers he killed while with Orichimaru?
I believe it was 0. Wasn't there a panel that explained that Sasuke never killed them? The only people he actually "killed" is Danzo and to some extent, Oro.
and attempted murder on every Kage, succesful murder on a bunch of samurai on his way to the kage and he plans on burning Konoha and killing everyone in it
Sasuke only fought the samurai and the other kage to get to Danzo i.e he didn't want to kill them. He's not the kind of evil where he's evil because he's just evil and wants to kill people/take over the world, he's evil in the sense that he wants revenge.
he could have avoided killing them, that would ahve been the smarter thing to do since he ahdnt been discovered at that point, but he went out to fight the Samurai while the rest of his squad hid, and its because of him going out to kill the Samurai that the Raikage found them so quickly in the first place
That's not really what happened.... He didn't go all hit squad on the samurais. They were just kind of there and he put up susanoo. All collateral damage as opposed to intentional slaughter. Though I'm not sure anybody actually died in the process. The samurais were pretty heavily armored, and although the raikage lost a hand, he regrew it a few chapters later, so as far as plot development goes, Sasuke hasn't gone past the point of no redemption. Just look at how many innocent people Gaara killed purely for the sadistic joy of listening to their bones crunch. Now he's a good guy.
I see this going a few ways:
1.) Sasuke teams up with naruto eventually and they win together. My money is on this based on the unity it would bring to the plot... uchiha vs. senjuu, bury the sword of our grandfathers, etc... There will be an epic rematch, but it will be in a much more humble stage of a repeat of the chuunin exams, where both Sasuke and Naruto got rolled by the complicating circumstances of the Orochimaru invasion. In the epilogue we see that some other rando old (probably kakashi/guy) is the next hokage. Naruto, older and married to hinata with cutie kids, is still his strongheaded self saying "I'm gonna be the next Hokage! Dattebayo!" Sasuke, we found out, died of complications resulting from low testosterone on account of him being a bitch.
2.) Sasuke gets talk-no-jutsu'd by itachi and ends up the tragic hero, laying down his life in an epic Sharingan vs. Sharingan matchup vs. Tobi. Unlikely, because this plot formula has happened in too many of the sagas for it to be a fitting ending to the series. Basically everybody except Orochimaru and the zombie pals got an exit like this. Zabuza, gaara (him dying for the sand being redemption), most of the members of akatsuki....
3.) Sasuke kills the fuck out of these bad guys and then turns his wrath on Konoha being the final villain for Naruto to face mano a mano. While the fight-to-the-death rematch where the future of the Ninja world is at stake would be an epic ending to the series.... ain't gonna happen since Sasuke just hasn't been built into a villainous character. We know too much about his personality and motives to be able to demonize him as anything more than a whiny, easily manipulated, emotionally disturbed teenager. |
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| Forikorder March 27 2012 02:29. Posts 5275 | Profile # |
That's not really what happened.... He didn't go all hit squad on the samurais. They were just kind of there and he put up susanoo. All collateral damage as opposed to intentional slaughter. Though I'm not sure anybody actually died in the process. The samurais were pretty heavily armored, and although the raikage lost a hand, he regrew it a few chapters later, so as far as plot development goes, Sasuke hasn't gone past the point of no redemption. Just look at how many innocent people Gaara killed purely for the sadistic joy of listening to their bones crunch. Now he's a good guy.
go reread it again, Zetsu warns the Kages about Zetsu, the Samurai start looking for them, Karin notices it and then Sasuke immediately starts killing the Samurai, it was there chakra disapearing that let one of the Raikages aids figure out where Sasuke was
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 flamewheel FREEAGLELAND. March 27 2012 04:57. Posts 21680 | Profile Blog # |
Wait A regrew his hand?
Uhhh |
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| rabidch United States. March 28 2012 17:45. Posts 8307 | Profile # |
On March 27 2012 04:57 flamewheel wrote:
Wait A regrew his hand?
Uhhh
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