 M2 Bulgaria. July 04 2003 14:51. Posts 1706 | Profile # |
I wanna ask for some tips about this strat PvZ
Going for corsair-darks tech then getting your expand and keep the zerg away with darks and corsair till storm arrives(pretty standart) but what about makeing your darks to dark archon and maelstorm before researching strom ,u lose only 100 precious gas but gain unit who can be very effective against mass hydra or mass mutalisks harrass(i tried it sometimes against mutas and its very effective coz archon kill them very easy if your maelstorm is good or hurt them so bad that they cannot kill your cannons anymore)IMO dark archon is much more useful than two darks which can only tell u when zerg is expanding and then dying famelessly,but i see this strat so rarely which forced me to think that i am making some general mistake Last edit: 2003-07-04 14:52:48 |
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 Waxangel United States. July 04 2003 15:00. Posts 10351 | Profile Blog # |
| if he tried to counter with muta, it would be so sweet ;( |
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 Muhweli Finland. July 04 2003 15:15. Posts 5321 | Profile # |
| Dark archons are rarely seen anyways, they're still cool and powerful when used correctly. What is the reason they aren't used? Cost? |
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| M2 Bulgaria. July 04 2003 15:20. Posts 1706 | Profile # |
On July 04 2003 15:15 Muhweli wrote:
Dark archons are rarely seen anyways, they're still cool and powerful when used correctly. What is the reason they aren't used? Cost?
yes cost i think but in this situation toss already spended the money for 2 darks its only 100 gas more and u gain smth more useful than 2 darks even 3 darks maybe 4 darksLast edit: 2003-07-04 15:22:02 |
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 InFiNitY[pG] Germany. July 04 2003 15:30. Posts 2648 | Profile Blog # |
| in early game dark archons are no alternative. you will die to early mutas as well as mass hydras without storm/archon. when you already have 3-4 temps you might consider a dark archon, but its often about luck if you mael storm enough units |
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| M2 Bulgaria. July 04 2003 16:01. Posts 1706 | Profile # |
On July 04 2003 15:30 InFiNitY[pG] wrote:
in early game dark archons are no alternative. you will die to early mutas as well as mass hydras without storm/archon. when you already have 3-4 temps you might consider a dark archon, but its often about luck if you mael storm enough units
why not?if u die to mutas with dark archon u;ll die without also coz in this strat dark archon do not slow u down u already had 2 dark templars anyway |
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| InFiNitY[pG] Germany. July 04 2003 16:42. Posts 2648 | Profile Blog # |
| first of all you need only one dt, not two. second you also need to research the dark archon spells |
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 Roman United States. July 04 2003 17:15. Posts 2562 | Profile # |
| The sair will tell you muta or hydra... so I dont think thats a problem in his build. |
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| InFiNitY[pG] Germany. July 04 2003 17:25. Posts 2648 | Profile Blog # |
| good zergs often dont build any mutas when you scout their spire and go for straight mass hydra... |
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 Gamei)Surv Belgium. July 04 2003 17:40. Posts 10 | Profile # |
| yeh wll if u see mass hydra and u already had a dt then u better change it in a DA anyway. But I would go for storm first then meal. storm is priority. |
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 iD.Twisted Netherlands. July 04 2003 19:28. Posts 3102 | Profile # |
On July 04 2003 17:40 Gamei)Surv wrote:
yeh wll if u see mass hydra and u already had a dt then u better change it in a DA anyway. But I would go for storm first then meal. storm is priority.
Ehrr wrong :/ |
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| Casper... Liberia. July 04 2003 19:34. Posts 4948 | Profile # |
stupid stupid stupid.
play cnc generals ok? |
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| nArAnjO Peru. July 04 2003 19:35. Posts 2568 | Profile # |
=D i never use corsair / dt / exp know why? cuz the fucking overlord can actually MOVE without speed  , the zerg will just advance slowly so u can't kill his ovies and crush you with hydras (a good zerg that is) =/ |
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 Dealer  Sweden. July 04 2003 19:40. Posts 1368 | Profile # |
| yeah naranjo, but at that time "a good" protoss will have enough defense to handle a front assault =[ |
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| nArAnjO Peru. July 04 2003 19:55. Posts 2568 | Profile # |
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 travis United States. July 04 2003 21:10. Posts 19833 | Profile Blog # |
dark archons are only good vs hive tech
period ! |
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 Marshall United States. July 04 2003 21:36. Posts 234 | Profile # |
i wanted to quote 3 different people and just respond to them with one thing, thats not possible though, so i guess ill just say...
M2:
as i recall about 6 - 12 months ago i was the only one using dark archons early game pvz.. i was trying to figure out some type of counter to fast muta rush without having to turn an archon...what i discovered was that even if you get the dark archon turned and research maelstrom, but by the time the mutas get to the protoss base you dont have any other units to kill the mutas, its rare that i would have maelstrom even researched in time when the mutas first got there, i would have to dance my probes in between my main and natural while waiting for maelstrmo to finish. here are the problems with it ... 1. it takes too long to be effective against anything but late muta harassment.. 2. its more efficient to spend that 350/300 on 1 dark 1 temp and towards storm upgrade (if you suspect hydra, 2 temp no storm if u expect muta). so yes i have used dark archons to my advnatage in more than 1 circumstance, but the point is they arent worth wasting the dts that could be patrolling the other two mains (much more worth it than wasting them for something you dont need to battle muta).
infinity:
maelstrom is about some luck (in timing of the zergs attacks) but not in use, maelstrom is the easiest spell to use well, all you have to do is click on the center most unit and it will immediately freeze all units around it, it takes pretty much 0 skill, as i said earlier, the problem isnt usage of it, the problem is timing.
and travis:
you build 20 muta ...(off your lair tech), and ill unsuspectingly build a dark archon and upgrade maelstrom with 2 temps ... when u attack, you are going to kill nothing and i am going to kill everything...
another good use of dark archon is vs hydra drops, ultra drops, ling drops, any type of drops... when i do have DA's and i am suspecting i will get dropped when i go out to attack, i will send my da with 3 temps back to my main, then go attack with the rest of my force ... when the drop comes, i maelstrom all the ovies and storm them before they could even get any units out...
also i dont think anyone knew this but when you maelstrom a group of hydras who are being microed forward and backward to escape storm, it screws up the zergs groups of hotkeys in which the hydras you maelstromed were a part of. therefore the majority of their units will be at a standstill attacking you and you can storm away.
da's also own queens with feedback... (non hive tech) : [ |
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| travis United States. July 04 2003 21:43. Posts 19833 | Profile Blog # |
As you said, it depends on luck
I guess it could be possible, but I think there is a reason you won't be doing it at wcg |
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 Refrain[FriZ] Canada. July 04 2003 23:06. Posts 4336 | Profile # |
| too risky. do normal pvz plz. |
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| MPXMX Canada. July 05 2003 01:39. Posts 4307 | Profile # |
Maelstorm + Storm is `in-fuckin-credible` against mutas.
I think the reason people don't get DA has to do with price but another aspect is that they don't want to wait for the energy to use it effectively. Maelstorm is not really a better spell than storm, and players get many stormers, so you'll need to get many DAs too, well... I lost my point |
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