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| il0seonpurpose Korea (South). November 08 2007 12:20. Posts 5636 | Profile Blog # |
On November 08 2007 01:44 Klockan3 wrote:
Doubble post, see next page.
I don't see anything on this page 
But you all, its good that most of you all are biology people and are knowlegdable of such things, but its just a game. The guy that said all that junk about protoss and how they're made and stuff, he probably BS.ed the whole thing, just thought of high schoool biology classes he took |
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| Tiptup United States. November 08 2007 13:11. Posts 133 | Profile # |
Apparently the idea of the Protoss eating light was first inserted into a StarCraft novel called First Born? I don't know since never liked the idea of reading a book based on StarCraft: the sci-fi world in StarCraft was made to enhance a game and not the other way around.
Anyways, I looked up the energy requirements of the brain and, while not huge, they're not exactly small either. If you could maintain deep thought for 24 hours straight, you'd burn more energy than is recommended for the entire human body to eat in a day and the Protoss are all about using lots of mental power, so . . . .Last edit: 2007-11-08 13:11:42 |
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| Chodorkovskiy Israel. November 08 2007 17:42. Posts 459 | Profile Blog # |
On November 08 2007 09:44 jtan wrote:
Show nested quote +On November 08 2007 08:58 Chodorkovskiy wrote:
On November 08 2007 06:38 jtan wrote:
On November 08 2007 06:29 Jyvblamo wrote:I love Blizzard's excuse for the Mutas' ability to fly in a vacuum by flapping their wings... From http://www.battle.net/scc/zerg/units/mutalisk.shtml:
Frankly, the Mutalisk is an enigma. It is not known how they are capable of maneuvering through a vacuum, or even of controlled flight within an atmosphere, but they have been able to stand toe-to-toe (so to speak) against Wraith fighters along the Coreward border worlds.
omg... They should hire some creative allround scientist to think up explanations that are at least close to possible.
Mutalisks hold a large number of vacuoles filled with Vespene inside their bodies, allowing them to float. For high-speed flight, they rely on an organic ramjet engine. The latter cannot operate while the creature is static, so wings provide initial propulsion. In vacuum, Mutalisks switch to "turbojet" mode, with the no longer needed Vespene providing fuel. Fuck scientists, they should hire me. 
makes about as much sense as humans flying through space by constantly farting
How so? Wraiths seem to be doing fine and they're probably made in China... |
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| Equinox_kr United States. November 08 2007 23:57. Posts 7391 | Profile Blog # |
| I want some Protoss salad! |
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 thedeadhaji November 09 2007 01:03. Posts 23290 | Profile Blog # |
Seems like this thread is beginning to reach its end of its tenure.
Btw this may be the only thread I have ever read in the sc2 forum where it wasn't filled with an overabundance of retarded nonsense. Thanks to everyone who participated in this discussion. |
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| YvoRoK November 09 2007 07:33. Posts 44 | Profile # |
Protoss aren't a product of evolution, though, they're the direct creation of the Xel'Naga.
Also, I thought they got their energy from psionic sources, like additional pylons. |
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| Jyvblamo Canada. November 09 2007 07:45. Posts 13669 | Profile Blog # |
On November 09 2007 07:33 YvoRoK wrote:
Protoss aren't a product of evolution, though, they're the direct creation of the Xel'Naga.
Also, I thought they got their energy from psionic sources, like additional pylons.
This has been refuted so many times in this thread that it's not even funny. |
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| Kimera757 Canada. November 09 2007 07:58. Posts 129 | Profile # |
On November 08 2007 13:11 Tiptup wrote:
Apparently the idea of the Protoss eating light was first inserted into a StarCraft novel called First Born? I don't know since never liked the idea of reading a book based on StarCraft: the sci-fi world in StarCraft was made to enhance a game and not the other way around.
Anyways, I looked up the energy requirements of the brain and, while not huge, they're not exactly small either. If you could maintain deep thought for 24 hours straight, you'd burn more energy than is recommended for the entire human body to eat in a day and the Protoss are all about using lots of mental power, so . . . .
If you watched the Lore Panel video you'd know that Blizzard vets everything for that book, since it's laying the foundations of StarCraft II. Also, Karune repeated it, and he can't do that without the say-so of someone higher up at Blizzard. |
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| Muey Finland. November 10 2007 12:12. Posts 149 | Profile # |
On November 07 2007 11:31 purekorea wrote:
If im not mistaken Dark Templar are called that because they strayed from the "normal Protoss" path of life and not cause they cloak.
And the cloaking is because they bend the lightwaves around them not that they are transparent.
IIRC according to the BW manual the Dark Templar "draw their energy from the cold void of the cosmos" or some other such mumbo jumbo. So, DTs apparantly can conjure energy out of plain nothing by some psi-magicks or something, so make what you will of that  . |
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| valiance. United States. November 19 2007 18:18. Posts 13 | Profile # |
On November 05 2007 03:44 Jyvblamo wrote:I'm really enjoying all the intelligent discussion this thread is generating. It's quite a breath of fresh air. :D
Show nested quote +On November 05 2007 03:38 DrainX wrote:
1. We only know that their skin reflects the light that the human eye can see. They might absorb lots both above and below our spectrum.
2. Its true that of evolutionarily reasons autotrophs are atleast on earth all stationary. However that is irrelevant since the Xel Naga made the Protoss race. Its not the product of evolution.
1. Ah, but keep in mind, as already mentioned before, only light in the visible spectrum is suitable for absorption by biological materials. Why doesn't the human eye (and indeed the eyes of most other animals) see ultraviolet? Because UV radiation is far too damaging to organic molecules. 2. According to all existing SC canon, the Xel-Naga did not create the Protoss race. They maybe have seeded life on Aiur (Though the back-story is ambiguous on this), but they did not directly manipulate the evolution of the Protoss race until after the Protoss had developed into...
Show nested quote +"beings [that] were incredibly adaptable to harsh natural conditions and climates. Their strength and speed were unparalleled amongst the other races known to the Xel-Naga. The race had even developed a rudimentary tribal society based upon group-hunting and warrior rule. However, their most distinct aspect was that they communicated with each other through a very complex method of instinctive telepathy, allowing them to operate communally with striking efficiency."
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Show nested quote +On November 05 2007 03:39 gg_hertzz wrote:
There are plants that aren't green. Flowers for example.
Flowering plants do not derive their energy from their flowers, they have green leaves that photosynthesize for them. The different pigments in the flowers are for attracting pollinating animals. Even so, that is beside the point since all photosynthesizing organisms on Earth (correct me if I'm wrong) use light from the visible spectrum to power the light-dependent reactions in photosynthesis.
Not sure if this has been said but many animals can both see deep into the infrared and into the ultraviolet. This is very well documented.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/07/0708_030708_ultravioletmammals.html |
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| DrainX Sweden. November 19 2007 22:05. Posts 3132 | Profile Blog # |
On November 09 2007 07:45 Jyvblamo wrote:
Show nested quote +On November 09 2007 07:33 YvoRoK wrote:
Protoss aren't a product of evolution, though, they're the direct creation of the Xel'Naga.
Also, I thought they got their energy from psionic sources, like additional pylons.
This has been refuted so many times in this thread that it's not even funny.
This has never been refuted. What we know is that protoss were the product of evolution(Maybe even controlled evolution since Xel Naga created Aiur) up until the Xel Naga found them. What the Xel Naga then did to them we know nothing about. We have some clues to the protoss abilitys before meeting the Xel Naga but all other abilitys could have been given to them by the Xel Naga, that doesnt go against anything written anywhere and it can easily explain anything not explainable any other way.
Mutalisk flight is something completely different. Thats something thats physically impossible and cant be explained. I dont understand why everyone is complaining about the protoss skin-absorb thing. Its obviously there and it obviously cant have come by through evolution so the Xel Naga obviously gave them that ability. I just cant see a problem with that explanation and I cant see a better explanation anywhere in this thread.
As for how it actually works? Maybe it is like some people in this thread say, that its completely impossible to gain that amount of energy through some cellular process. First of all I don't believe that. Just because we cant think of a way or haven't seen a way for it to work doesn't mean it cant be done. Even if that was true since their DNA might have been edited by the Xel Naga or their forms changed in some other way they dont have to follow the regular rules of animal species. They could have self-replicating nano robots in their bloodstream that absorb light or something like that. When you look at the technology the Protoss and Xel Naga posses im surprised this is what upsets you.Last edit: 2007-11-19 23:33:15 |
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| DamageControL United States. November 20 2007 07:28. Posts 3571 | Profile Blog # |
| Maybe they ate back in the day, and now they dont |
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 liosama Australia. November 20 2007 17:27. Posts 843 | Profile Blog # |
On November 07 2007 23:26 Tiptup wrote:
According to wikipedia, about half the energy provided by sunlight is in the visible part of the EM spectrum. The other almost-half of the energy is below that in the infrared part of the spectrum. UV light is only the very small portion that's left over. A few scant UV photons are going to power a physical form as impressive as a Protoss? We generally don't bother with solar panels that collect energy in UV range because there simply isn't enough energy there to justify the expense. Plants know where it's at.
To emit additional, high energy light, Aiur's star would have to be much hotter and would probably start killing off most life forms on Aiur's surface (I would guess). That's even assuming the Protoss can absorb UV light in the first place, which is so remote that it defeats Blizzard specifying that the Protoss can live off sunlight in the first place.
Also, I'm no expert on biology, chemistry and certainly not biochemistry, but "higher" life forms tend to require far more energy in comparison to "lower" life forms. They're more complex and are greater concentrations of matter and energy. Higher life forms live by consuming lower life forms. This leaves human beings with a very large energy requirements in comparison to the physical acts we perform. Protoss, on the other hand, would be even more complex considering their additional functions (like psionics and light absorption) as well as their greater intelligence, durability, strength, speed. For me to believe that it can survive on a small fraction of what a human survives upon doesn't make sense to me.
You are making far too many assumptions. Realise that this is fantasy, so I can easily make up infintely many excuses to counter any points you or others make (i can go as far as saying they're living in a parallel universe where planck's ,h,constant is equal to 1 and the speed of light c, varies with wavelength)
Firstly, our earth blocks most of the harmful UV light (thankfully) you seem to assume Aiur does the same? Also UV light has more energy, so i can say that less uv light ~ same energy as std visible light with higher photon density
Secondly, you cant just say that 'complexity' requires a lot of energy. What if the protoss have minds and thoughts so efficient that they require very little energy to operate at all? They are perceived to be a very wise race after all. I mean we see this here today where althetes found new physical ways inwhich to run which conserve little energy (e.g. a runner running at his own resonant frequency will waste least energy possible, but it takes a lot of training to be able to get your heart to beat at this specific frequency)
I really feel that this argument (although interesting it being pointed out in the first place) is getting no where. Everyone here is merely showing off their knowledge in physics, chemistry, biologiy and the like. I thought TL was a forum with pro-gamers that worry about things like micro, macro, pro stratergies, not talk about geekery stuff that fat ugly nerds ask the blizzard e.g,
(blizzcon 07 - "will starcraft 2 be available in wide screen?" (NO SHIT YOU FUCKING FAT UGLY GEEK- seriously what kind of a question was that), instead of asking them more useful questions like in the New Ideas, Units SC2 forum here.
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| Tiptup United States. November 22 2007 21:52. Posts 133 | Profile # |
On November 20 2007 17:27 liosama wrote:
I really feel that this argument (although interesting it being pointed out in the first place) is getting no where.
I don't think it was actually meant to get anywhere. StarCraft is science fiction and not pure-fantasy fiction, that simply means that it's based upon our current scientific knowledge to propose fictional ideas in a way that is connected to our universe in some way. The fun nature of that process (and Blizzard's ignorance) is all this conversation was about as far as I could tell. If that offended your sensibilities then I don't see how that would be our fault. Also, I don't see why you're even discussing the various points of this thread yourself if you can't even find it fun.
Anyways, while the functioning of a Mutalisk's wings in a vacuum is a very implausible thing to propose based on anything we currently know, I believe that science fiction has room for notions that are left mysterious (like that) since science is as much about exploration (and finding new mysteries) as it is about explaining the things we have discovered. In that sense, Mutalisk wings introduce a science fiction mystery that at least isn't contradicted by anything we know. Science can accept things it doesn't understand. However, saying that the Protoss absorb light to survive was an attempt to explain how the Protoss eat, but it creates far more questions than it tries to answer and that's ridiculous.
Sure, I can bend over backwards in all sorts of ways to pretend the Protoss live off sunlight, but I see no reason why I should want to. Science fiction is an art form and Blizzard did a crappy job with this concept if you ask me. I preferred the Protoss when the specifics surrounding their metabolism were left a mystery. So sue me. 
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