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I am a starcraft player, although not that great of one, and a linux user. I am just wondering if there are any others like me out there.
For those who are wondering I am running Mandriva Linux and using cedega ( a program used to run windows software in linux ) to play starcraft. It has worked out well so far, but I am wondering if other people have had more success with other methods.
If not at least should out some linux love
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it works? cause every windows emulator ive used to run sc on linux lags like battlenet in 1998
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I find cedega to work ok. Now, my computer is a bit above the level needed to play starcraft so I could see it being a bit slow on older machines.
cedega is basically just a cleaned up version of wine (formerly "WINdows Emulator", now "Wine Is Not an Emulator" for legal reasons)
I tried wine, but it was a bit clunky and battle net support sucked.
Another good product (or so my friends say) is cross over linux. It is made by the same people who make cross over office for the mac and is also based off of wine.
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I want to know if one can play Starcraft reliably on linux as well. I tried Ubuntu and it's a brilliant operating system. I want to do away with all MS products and only use macs and linux.
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Zurich15234 Posts
Cross over linux and Cedega are both based on wine.
BW works just fine with vanilla Wine. The only thing I had to do is to set the Wine window to 640x480.
On most modern linux distributions you can just copy over the StarCraft folder from a windows machine and run starcraft.exe and it will just work. At least that's my experience.
Battle.net is totally broken with Wine though. This is the one and only feature that keeps my windows system from being kicked out :-)
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I'm playing Broodwar on Debian (and, quite a while ago, on SuSE). For those that asked above or are having trouble getting SC to work properly with Linux, I wrote up tips a while ago. You can find it here. Basically everything works perfectly, merely the chat/lobby area (channels and such) on bnet look a bit messed up, but are perfectly usable especially if you're used to BW. In game everything is normal.
HappyPenguins ;-) and welcome to TL.net @ Contendor
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Norway10161 Posts
Yea sc works excellent for me (wine @ ubuntu 7.4). I'm doing away with windows completely soon, just need to find the time for a clean 7.10 install.
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Has anyone gotten the menu screens in battle.net to work properly in wine? As far as I know thats really the only problem left with wine + sc. Its come a long way since I first tried it.
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Sometimes they do work, but it seems kind of random to me ... I havent found a reliable way to display the background pics of channel buttons etc, but it hasnt really bothered me much either.
I have just made some updates to the mini-HOW-TO I wrote a while ago. If you consider it good enough, maybe some of the mods can link to that post in the Guides section under Articles so other people can find it more easily? It's halfway down the page in this thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=61452
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i've gotten bw to work with ubuntu 7.10 (gutsy) on bnet using generic wine. however, you'll definitely notice some mouse selection lag if your apm is anywhere over 100. there's no good solution for this unfortunately (nice wont do it), i guess it's the cost of running emulation over an OS. (was a 2GHz system)
to fix those background pics of channel buttons, you need to download some font packs.. i think it was called msttypefonts or something similar, that should fix most of those sort of problems.
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Now, if only blizz would make sc2 with linux compatibility. They already have a *nix port, a truly cross platform game would be awesome.
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On December 28 2007 06:57 Contendor wrote: They already have a *nix port
You mean OS X?
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On December 28 2007 07:58 expostfacto wrote:You mean OS X?
Yeah. OS X was based off of a version of unix, I think it was called Mach (don't quote me on it). Linux is also based off of unix. They are both called unix like operating systems.
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On December 28 2007 06:47 borg wrote:you'll definitely notice some mouse selection lag if your apm is anywhere over 100. there's no good solution for this unfortunately. Have you tried turning off Emulate3Buttons in your xorg.conf? I had this problem, where the mousedown event was always delayed, and I solved it by disabling Emulate3Buttons. Basically, that option waits after a left-click event to see if you soon press a right-click so it can do middle-click emulation, and that waiting time causes the lag.
Here's my mouse section of /etc/X11/xorg.conf
Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Configured Mouse" Driver "mouse" Option "CorePointer" Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" Option "Protocol" "auto" Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" Option "Emulate3Buttons" "false" Option "EmulateWheel" "on" Option "EmulateWheelButton" "2" EndSection
NOTE: StarCraft runs fine on my Ubuntu 7.04 system.
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On December 28 2007 08:00 Quesadilla wrote: Why use linux honestly
There are many reasons. It has better security, networking features, and is more customizable. I also don't like microsoft or apple business ideal. I agree with the whole open source software idea and think that it will benefit everyone in the end ( note: I am a programmer so I am not just looking for free software )
In my experience linux is years ahead of both windows and mac in every area but gaming. That would be why I still have a windows partition on my machine.
It is cool that gaming on linux is beginning to come into its own. There are various games written for linux, but not nearly as many, or in most cases as high a quality as the ones for windows. But with programs like cross over inux (about $30, less then a copy of windows) you can play games like team fortress 2.
Wine is nice, and for people that know how/are willing to tinker with it for a bit it works nicely. But there are those that would rather just pay 30 bucks and get it working.
Thats the long answer. The short would be "Why use windows honestly"
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I used Linux exclusively for 2 months about 2 years ago, because all the "leet" comp sci kids touting (yes, bandwagon).
It was such a relief to go back to Windows. Only because I was a tired of having to learn tons of shit anytime I wanted to do ANYTHING.
Yum, RPM, app-get... when they don't work, it's such a fucking pain. And driver support is uncomfortably reliant on casual free-time coders. Not that community coding isn't the coolest shit ever, it's just a very slow, iterative process. Too many modules that "mostly" work. It's just not reliable enough for my OCD. :p
Honestly, Windows (XP) seems like a much better OS for general use. Going solo with Linux is like drinking vodka without a chaser: Some people are badass enough, and for those people, it works great. But even they get knocked on their ass from time to time.
Additionally, I used to think that Linux was the shit because of the Unix prompt pwning the Windows terminal. But Powershell for Windows(pointed out to me by a TL.netter) let's me run managed .NET code in a script very easily, and has very powerful native tools. This is really great for power users who suck at system/C-coding!!!
Anyways, I hope to read this fat Linux book I have and become less noob someday.
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On December 28 2007 09:08 HeadBangaa wrote: I used Linux exclusively for 2 months about 2 years ago, because all the "leet" comp sci kids touting (yes, bandwagon).
It was such a relief to go back to Windows. Only because I was a tired of having to learn tons of shit anytime I wanted to do ANYTHING.
Yum, RPM, app-get... when they don't work, it's such a fucking pain. And driver support is uncomfortably reliant on casual free-time coders. Not that community coding isn't the coolest shit ever, it's just a very slow, iterative process. Too many modules that "mostly" work. It's just not reliable enough for my OCD. :p
Honestly, Windows (XP) seems like a much better OS for general use. Going solo with Linux is like drinking vodka without a chaser: Some people are badass enough, and for those people, it works great. But even they get knocked on their ass from time to time.
Additionally, I used to think that Linux was the shit because of the Unix prompt pwning the Windows terminal. But Powershell for Windows(pointed out to me by a TL.netter) let's me run managed .NET code in a script very easily, and has very powerful native tools. This is really great for power users who suck at system/C-coding!!!
Anyways, I hope to read this fat Linux book I have and become less noob someday. I think that the number one fault of linux programmers is that they tend to think that only programmers will ever use the software they write. They write really good code, but half the features are not documented and the GUI's look like they are experimental at best, because, of course, "anyone who actually wants to get anything done will use the command line". If they'd just sat down a single non-programmer in front of their software and watched them try to get something to work for an hour, they'd see many of the glaring faults in their design. This is captured extremely well in the following humorous article of a person trying to get printer support over the network to work: http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/cups-horror.html Ubuntu is trying to do away with this mentality, and frankly I am seeing some progress in this department (I only had to use the console (and the usual dmraid-related grub hacking to mount raid0 ntfs windows drives and boot from raid0 ext3 drives) about 6 times to get 7.10 installed + operational, as opposed to 80 times for 6.06), but they still have a long way to go until the OS will be as intuitive and easy to use as windows XP (as much as I hate microsoft, I have to give them props for actually testing their software with "regular" people.) On topic: Starcraft works fine on my ubuntu + wine install, though I did have to do some optimizations using the "wine regedit" tool (which you can find out in the broodwar winehq project page: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=149 )
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Canada9720 Posts
its true linux isn't ready for mainstream use yet. but, headbangaa, but many of the people who use linux don't use it for the reasons that you've outlined. they use it because they believe in free software and open-source
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