 tomson Poland. September 12 2003 22:26. Posts 642 | Profile |
At first glance mouse acceleration seems to be great for starcraft. There are moments where you need decent accuracy (for example shift-clicking on a running speedling), there are also those in which insane speed is required (running through gateways etc.). There are even ones where you need both simultaneously (cloning overlords to spread them over the map). Without acceleration it's hard to find a compromise in your sensitivity settings to be equally efficient in all of them.However I can think of only one notable player that uses it (blackman). The only flaw of it that comes to my mind is that if you miscalculate your move you make a tripled/quadrupled error, but it's not that big of a disadvantage to restrain you from using it.
What are your thoughts ? Share your views and try to justify them.
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 mensrea Korea (South). September 12 2003 22:51. Posts 4936 | Profile |
Interesting post tomson.
I prefer acceleration on for all the reasons you stated.
I heard that HeMan (the War3 champion who's now playing in Korea) lost one of his recent matches partly because he couldn't turn off the acceleration under Korean XP prior to the game. If this is true, it suggests that he prefers to play without acceleration. In fact, it suggests that he finds acceleration bothersome enough to seriously affect his game play. Not sure about the reasons tho. I'll ask.
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| Ymar September 12 2003 22:59. Posts 65 | Profile |
| Not that my experience would be worth much, but recently turned acceleration off, and now I find micro a lot easier... |
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| Jar_Ly Cuba. September 12 2003 23:14. Posts 133 | Profile |
I don't use aceleration, i'm much less precise with it. I've also reduced the mouse speed since i'm playing. Look at it in this way: when u use slow mouse pointer u can move faster your hand if u need and u have an acceptable accuracy, but if u have a fast pointer u have to slow down too much to get a nice accuracy.
I think that the best combination is no acceleration with a medium+ pointer speed.
I think that blizzard should put in the game options something like what ID Software did to Quake 3: a mouse speed measured in numbers and Windows independent, not the Windows confusing bar. Everytime i reinstall windows i have to spend several minutes tunning up my mouse speed again cause i never remember were in the goddam bar i putted it last time!  |
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 Bill307  Canada. September 12 2003 23:31. Posts 8575 | Profile Blog |
I imagine that it would be a lot easier to play without acceleration, because it would be easier to know how far to move the mouse in order to move the cursor a desired distance on the screen (without having to think about it). With no acceleration, the relationship is linear, something that our brains are very good at perceiving and calculating independent of our conscious thought. With acceleration turned on, however, the relationship becomes exponential (or similarly curved), something that our brains are not good at perceiving or calculating in an instant.
On the other hand, I suppose that eventually, given enough practice, your brain will start to remember how far to move the mouse in order to move the cursor x distance on the screen anyway, so once you "get used" to acceleration you should have few problems with it.
The benefits of acceleration seem trivial to me, though. I mean, how hard is it really to move the cursor quickly from one gateway to another without acceleration (given that your speed isn't too low, of course)? Similarly, is it really that hard to move your mouse just a tiny bit to move the cursor only a tad in any direction? I have to admit that I don't know whether my mouse uses acceleration or not (probably some low accel.), and I don't have a setting for it, either  . But I can't see how this (imperceptible because it's exponential, mind you) variability of speed/accuracy would give you any real advantage, since these mouse movements aren't exactly physically demanding tasks (please correct me if I'm wrong, though). If anything, it increases the extent to which speed and accuracy are mutually exclusive.
In short, we have some possible benefits that don't actually seem to be beneficial at all, at the expense of being able to calculate mentally how far to move your mouse in order to move your cursor a desired distance (without knowing from a great deal of experience and trial+error). Given that all of this is sound, I just don't see how acceleration would be a good idea =/. |
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| Casper... Liberia. September 12 2003 23:38. Posts 4948 | Profile |
i find the double threshold of low accel to be much too low.
noaccel is thx.
some players do use accel and dominate with it. q3 pro cooller is the guy that immediately comes to mind. |
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 XaI)CyRiC United States. September 12 2003 23:45. Posts 2954 | Profile |
| This may be obvoius, but for most people it's probably just a matter of what you're used to. The linear movement speed comment is one to note, but if you're used to acceleration it doesn't really matter. |
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 Liquid`Nazgul September 12 2003 23:45. Posts 10038 | Profile |
On September 12 2003 22:51 mensrea wrote:
Interesting post tomson.
I prefer acceleration on for all the reasons you stated.
I heard that HeMan (the War3 champion who's now playing in Korea) lost one of his recent matches partly because he couldn't turn off the acceleration under Korean XP prior to the game. If this is true, it suggests that he prefers to play without acceleration. In fact, it suggests that he finds acceleration bothersome enough to seriously affect his game play. Not sure about the reasons tho. I'll ask.
Or maybe he can comment on this himself...
it merely means you can't just switch from no-accel to accel like that |
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| tomson Poland. September 12 2003 23:54. Posts 642 | Profile |
Bill307, this is the kind of post I was looking forward to. I've also heard that argument about linear relationships, but I don't think it's something you can't overcome. After a few weeks all moves should be done on a subliminal level. There might be more to it thought, like some boundaries coded in us which we are uncapable to surmount. However it is also worth pointing out that, afaik acceleration is quite common among FPP players (i'm pretty sure fatal1ty used it), where precision is crucial.
No matter how trivial it might look, a benefit is a benefit. And of course there's no problem in clicking on gateways, yet it would be helpful if you could increase the speed and precision of doing such things. It's the small things that count.
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| hmmm China. September 13 2003 00:14. Posts 299 | Profile |
| Accerleration is great if you're used to it, otherwise its counter productive, personally I don't like it =/. |
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 Roman United States. September 13 2003 00:45. Posts 2525 | Profile |
| In my opinion acceleration isnt worth the effort to get used to it. If you want faster speed, move ur mouse speed settings higher and move ur hands slower. Otherwise, if u have fast hands, might as well use normal speed. I can see many scenarios where you need to click somethng next to ur cursor right away, but your mouse acceleration will move your mouse across the screen. |
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 Nevera Finland. September 13 2003 00:55. Posts 677 | Profile |
| I was allways under the assumption that nobody who plays seriously uses it. Surprising that there are people as good as Blackman who use it... Obviously I don't use it, haven't even tried to get used to it, hated the thing from the start. I can't hit anything with it. |
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| FroZZoR China. September 13 2003 01:00. Posts 925 | Profile |
| I use full mouse speed no accel, used to use accel, but it was a little harder to be accurate. But if u can, by all means go for it? Btw i don't even move my hand when playing, only wrist |
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 Mynock September 13 2003 01:03. Posts 4483 | Profile |
On September 12 2003 23:54 tomson wrote:
Bill307, this is the kind of post I was looking forward to. I've also heard that argument about linear relationships, but I don't think it's something you can't overcome. After a few weeks all moves should be done on a subliminal level. There might be more to it thought, like some boundaries coded in us which we are uncapable to surmount. However it is also worth pointing out that, afaik acceleration is quite common among FPP players (i'm pretty sure fatal1ty used it), where precision is crucial.
No matter how trivial it might look, a benefit is a benefit. And of course there's no problem in clicking on gateways, yet it would be helpful if you could increase the speed and precision of doing such things. It's the small things that count.
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I'm no good at either (FPS/RTS) but even I use acc. in Q3, whereas ofcourse none in BW. Exactly coz of the obvious benefits I think.
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