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 ScarFace United States. June 29 2008 07:58. Posts 1175 | Profile Blog # |
Yeah, bisu is getting a bit better. But we need more results, to prove he can become consistent. If he qualifies for a league and continues to show strong results in pl, I can see Bisu being put back on. Hes looking strong again, but still- he went 1-1 against Calm not that long ago. Its too soon to say.
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| raga4ka Bulgaria. June 29 2008 17:19. Posts 5002 | Profile # |
| He isn't slumping althought he loses like what 5 - 6 games this month . The lost to Ruby isn't that painful , but the lost to Luxury was disgusting especially the 2nd game . |
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| Tinithor United States. June 30 2008 06:13. Posts 1552 | Profile # |
| I'd say Flash deserves spot #2 as well |
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| TheTyranid Russian Federation. June 30 2008 06:42. Posts 4333 | Profile Blog # |
Am I the only one who thinks Luxury played like total crap in the semi. He choked so bad it was painful to watch. Was it really that hard to go mutalisk in games 3 and 4? He had Best on his knees in both games. The mutas would have been a perfect counter to the reaver/zealot allin in game 3. This zerg should be hanged for the mental trauma he inflicted on zerg players. I don't even know how high Lux should be raised in the next PR, if raised at all.
Speaking of Best, he did make an amazing comeback even though his opponet reached the height of choke artistry, however, I do not think he will be #1. He just isn't on the level of Flash/JD yet. If he wins the OSL I will certainly retract that statement. The top 3 will definitely be Flash/JD/Best with either Flash or JD on top.
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| Tinithor United States. June 30 2008 09:10. Posts 1552 | Profile # |
| JD hasn't been playing well enough for #1 spot IMO. BeSt is the only player who i could imagine giving it to. |
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| Juicyfruit Canada. June 30 2008 09:59. Posts 3477 | Profile # |
I really wish more people, when trying to take part in the power rank discussion, would try to give more detail other than “so and so hasn’t been playing well enough,or... he looks a bit shaky”. For instance, the post above me, I am not agreeing or disagreeing with you, but would you please explain WHY you think Best deserves the #1 spot more than Jaedong? And same to the post above that, why Best isn’t as good as Jaedong/Flash? Give examples of games or comparison of games that clearly shows one's superiority to another. I mean, perhaps I am just expecting too much and should be hanged, but it will be a lot more … worthwhile ...to read the comments if they sounded like more than just opinions, because opinions have no place (in theory) when deciding the power ranks.
I mean, yes this is a public forum and I have no right telling people they shouldn’t post their comments, but after 14 pages of mostly empty statements, I admit I am a little nauseous.
I apologize in advance if this offends anyone.
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| Tinithor United States. June 30 2008 12:58. Posts 1552 | Profile # |
I say that BeSt has been playing better, because of his great Mental fortitude to come back from an 0-2 deficit to make the OSL finals (Which is the more prestigious of the 2 tournaments traditionally) on a map pool that has given other protoss quite poor results. BeSt has been winning almost ALL of his games this month and has a SICK 80% win ratio in PvP, that is INSANE.
Jaedong on the other hand, hasnt been playing as much, and his only real notable win was over hwasin (Who he is actually still behind in score this year 3-4 albeit he did win when it counted). Jaedong is gonna have to show a bit more that his ZvT is back up to scratch then that 1 series for me to think that hes the #1 player again.
Flash, has been losing altogether too many games this month. No one can fault you for droppin a PL game here or there, but theres a point where its too much. Droppin out of the OSL in the quarters on top of dropping games to HerO, free, and RuBy in proleague is just too much to give him the #1 spot, especially with his upcoming MSL preformance so close, which will be a HUGE indication of his current state.
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| HaXxorIzed Australia. June 30 2008 13:40. Posts 4733 | Profile Blog # |
I don't think Best should be one (This is one of those occasions I simply cannot call the Jaedong/Best/Flash placement, but I just think Best needs one more decent showing in PvZ), however I do believe we need to recognise how enormously versatile and deadly he has become in this era of maps for SKT and himself.
As it stands, Best's PvP ensures that putting him on a P favoured matchup is nigh on a guaranteed win for SKT. To beat him on Katrina or a similar P favoured map requires either stunning play he can't match (and his PvZ/PvT is, while somewhat more clunkly and less strong in terms of gamesense/early game micro than his PvP, still is very competitive), and sending a P against him practically guarantees you're going to get fucked seven different ways. With Midas and (finally!) Bisu also looking like PL tiers for SKT, they can even throw Best on a map he's less comfortable with and trade the matchup around to throw people.
tl;dr, Best is proving himself very versatile.
The thing that I do think Best has over Jaedong and Flash at the moment is the ability to lift his game in all aspects of competition. While Jaedong had that great 3:1 of Hwasin, he looked quite ... surprised by the unusual approach Bisu took in the PL and his ZvT still isn't what it was. Flash also looked shocked by Luxury's approaches in the OSL, as well as how effectively people have adapted to his play in the Proleague. Meanwhile, Best continues to be a proleague machine, recovered confidently from a strong game that beat him on the P>T map from Really and crushed him in the ACE. Let's not forget the impressive comeback in his unproven matchup against a player on a tear on Z>P maps either. Now, I'm not certain that's enough to make him the number one - but he is holding up well in front of multiple challenges, very effectively for someone who isn't even a champion yet.
When he gets the OSL (sorry Julyzerg/Backho fans, I just don't see them stopping him in any shape or form), and with a little more practice in PvZ/PvT (which Bisu seems to be helping him out with somewhat, and getting PvP in return), watch out.Last edit: 2008-06-30 13:43:03 |
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| wswordsmen United States. June 30 2008 14:14. Posts 976 | Profile # |
People who are attacking Flash for dropping out of the OSL and dropping proleague games need to relize 2 things:
1) Flash still has the best proleague record that won't change by the end of the month
2) Flash got knocked out in the Ro8, Jaedong got knocked out in the Ro24/ODT (as it was formally known) Best manged to advance to the finals and has yet to play that match
but consider
3) Best didn't qualify for the MSL, Jaedong and Flash both are in the Ro4 (assuming Flash wins [I feel this is a safe assumption])
so for proleague
Flash>Best>Jaedong
OSL
Best>Flash>Jaedong
MSL
Flash=Jaedong>Best
Now this isn't looking at how close the games were but purelly at how far they are in each tournament
Flash>Best>Jaedong |
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| raga4ka Bulgaria. June 30 2008 19:04. Posts 5002 | Profile # |
On June 30 2008 14:14 wswordsmen wrote:
People who are attacking Flash for dropping out of the OSL and dropping proleague games need to relize 2 things:
1) Flash still has the best proleague record that won't change by the end of the month
2) Flash got knocked out in the Ro8, Jaedong got knocked out in the Ro24/ODT (as it was formally known) Best manged to advance to the finals and has yet to play that match
but consider
3) Best didn't qualify for the MSL, Jaedong and Flash both are in the Ro4 (assuming Flash wins [I feel this is a safe assumption])
so for proleague
Flash>Best>Jaedong
OSL
Best>Flash>Jaedong
MSL
Flash=Jaedong>Best
Now this isn't looking at how close the games were but purelly at how far they are in each tournament
Flash>Best>Jaedong
Yeah except we re looking for records of this month PL and leagues not all season record . Besides i don't know what you are so obsessed with PL even if one of the favorite losses the team could always back them up , it is not fatal if Flash or JD or enybody else lose some PL games but their performance in the leagues is much more important if you ask me although PL games could give a clue at how their doing . I will give an example with JD he has been looking bad ( i mean bad in not winning his PL games, but still not so bad performance) in ZvT in PL but did he rape Hwasin ( who i think has the best TvZ better then Flash if both are at their maximum ) in the MSL with baller builds who were all risky executed with confidence . He even raped him in an all out macro war in game 2 after his loss in game one .And to tell the truth , that was JD almost at his best that game he stopped Hwasin at every turn with plague swarm and scourges . His macro never sliped and his swarm and plague use was superb , not to mention his harass ability with lings . Top that with game 4 his trademark muta control which most of us doubted will be effective he raped him after the failed push it was over with Hwasin not haveing engineering bay. JD was just showing-off after that  . All this on maps that are way way way harder it seems for a zerg player to perform well . And please don't judge JD's ZvP just because he lost to Bisu on a turtle friendly sair/reaver in to carrier map go a few weeks back and see Bisu being raped in MSL .Fact is I ain't voteing against JD in Bo5 no matter who the opponent is ... I can't see the future to tell if JD's ZvP or ZvT will be shaky that goes for BEST and Flash too . I can see BEST loseing to July were Luxury failed , but i could also see him winning . But BEST looked seriously behind in all games early game that a player like July i'm sure will feed an those mistakes .Last edit: 2008-06-30 21:25:26 |
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| Mortality United States. June 30 2008 23:32. Posts 4790 | Profile Blog # |
LOL @ Phradamon still trying to insist that Lucifer deserves a higher spot than Best.
Lucifer is 1-5 in June in KeSPA sanctioned games, which doesn't even count the 0-2 loss he suffered at the hands of Flash in GOM. |
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 Carnac Germany. July 01 2008 05:06. Posts 16369 | Profile Blog # | |
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| ScarFace United States. July 01 2008 06:04. Posts 1175 | Profile Blog # |
| is that savior crying in the background?! |
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| Carnac Germany. July 01 2008 06:44. Posts 16369 | Profile Blog # |
| Doesn't look like he's crying to me, just not so good resolution and he has pretty oily skin as far as I can tell from other pictures |
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| TheTyranid Russian Federation. July 01 2008 06:57. Posts 4333 | Profile Blog # |
On June 30 2008 09:59 Juicyfruit wrote:
I really wish more people, when trying to take part in the power rank discussion, would try to give more detail other than “so and so hasn’t been playing well enough,or... he looks a bit shaky”. For instance, the post above me, I am not agreeing or disagreeing with you, but would you please explain WHY you think Best deserves the #1 spot more than Jaedong? And same to the post above that, why Best isn’t as good as Jaedong/Flash? Give examples of games or comparison of games that clearly shows one's superiority to another. I mean, perhaps I am just expecting too much and should be hanged, but it will be a lot more … worthwhile ...to read the comments if they sounded like more than just opinions, because opinions have no place (in theory) when deciding the power ranks.
Best shouldn't be higher than Flash and Jaedong is because his win over Luxury was unconvincing. Best's comeback was spectacular but only and I repeat only because Luxury completely blew the series. Had it been a more competent zerg playing in that series, he would have finished Best in game three and noone would be talking about Best's amazing play or how he should be number one on the power rank. The way that series played out left me to believe that July will be able to defeat Best. Best was playing horribly in games one and two. He made a noobish mistake on Hwarandgo allowing lings to raze his base and in game two his scout died and he got painfully raped by 2 hatch hydra. In game 3 he was set back by ling harass and all Luxury needed to do is go mutalisk to counter the zealot/reaver. Game 4 was a repeat of game 3 early game. Lux's lings did a lot of damage but failed to kill the nexus. Instead of keeping up pressure Luxury allowed Best to recover. He then proceeded to loose every single battle and 2 expansions. In game 5 they were back on Hwarandgo where instead of playing aggressively, Luxury went for a macro game ( which suits Best by the way) and SOMEHOW ended up with a weak econ. Luxury completely choked. He choked so hard that you just have to discredit Best's victory to an extent.
After watching July vs Rock series I believe that if July playes agressively in the early game and is able to not choke and finish off Best, he will have the advantage in that series.
I have no doubt that Jaedong will rape Much and get to the MSL final. I have no doubt that Flash will rape the life out of Lomo and ForGG and get to the MSL final. However I do doubt that Best will beat July. I still think he is untested in PvZ seeing how Luxury practically handed him the win. If best wins the OSL, he will have all the rights to be #1 in august. For this month however, Best should be at most 2'nd since his PL is better that Jaedongs however I don't think that a hiccup that Flash is experiencing should put him below 1'st. Savior had hiccups too but that did not stop him from being #1. Just ask yourself, do you honestly believe that Flash will loose to Lomo or ForGG in the MSL. The kid is practically in the MSL finals, along with Jaedong. |
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| Wala.Revolution Liechtenstein. July 01 2008 22:47. Posts 6040 | Profile Blog # |
| With that face and hand, it looks like he's pissed at FakeSteve/Sea.Jy. Maybe he's pretending to be choking someone... |
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 thedeadhaji July 02 2008 07:13. Posts 23316 | Profile Blog # |
luxury's zvp blows, end of story.
btw there's a better pic of sea's powerrank thing from directly in front. |
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| Scorch Austria. July 02 2008 21:05. Posts 2940 | Profile Blog # |
| When does the next PR arrive? Waiting for July vs BackHo on Friday? |
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 zatic Germany. July 03 2008 04:01. Posts 11729 | Profile Blog # |
On July 02 2008 07:13 thedeadhaji wrote:
luxury's zvp blows, end of story.
btw there's a better pic of sea's powerrank thing from directly in front.
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