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| RoC)Ninjah United States. June 06 2008 11:36. Posts 238 | Profile Blog # |
Much gets the A+ for making FBH cry.
Great ranking, I agree with most of it. |
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 ScarFace United States. June 06 2008 11:40. Posts 1175 | Profile Blog # |
| does anyone know why there are so many sea's? SeaUp, Sea, Sea.really, sea.pure...is it a clan or does it have a particular meaning? Last edit: 2008-06-06 11:41:08 |
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| knyttym United States. June 06 2008 11:40. Posts 5670 | Profile Blog # |
| YES PURE!!! so happy about him at 10 |
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 FakeSteve[TPR] Valhalla. June 06 2008 11:42. Posts 17084 | Profile Blog # |
On June 06 2008 11:40 ScarFace wrote:
does anyone know why there are so many sea's? SeaUp, Sea, Sea.really, sea.pure...is it a clan or does it have a particular meaning?
Sea is a clan, but Sea[Shield] is in Shield clan.
UpMagic is in Sea clan, Pure is in Sea clan, really is as well. |
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| DennizR Sweden. June 06 2008 11:44. Posts 640 | Profile # |
| Good stuff, Id probably put mind a bit higher and hwasin a bit lower, and probably switch out pure with lucifer. I dont know why but I get the feeling that Pure may well lose to any random player at any given time, wheareas I see Lucifer past that point, but just not yet good enough to face Jaedong and the likes. But I guess we'll see that next MSL/OSL seasons... |
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| FakeSteve[TPR] Valhalla. June 06 2008 11:46. Posts 17084 | Profile Blog # |
I can't fathom why all of you are fellating Lucifer. He's NOT that good! He's gimmicky as hell. He has very, very run of the mill mechanics and game sense. What he does have going for him are clever and inventive build orders, and great micro.
Yesterday I watched every single game Lucifer and Pure played last month. Pure looks like a dynamic, powerful new player. Lucifer looks like a second-tier putz who just happened to have a little streak of wins. No one would ask for Ruby on the Power Rank, would they? Of course not. |
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| DennizR Sweden. June 06 2008 11:49. Posts 640 | Profile # |
| I guess we look for different things while gauging players, but I still get the feeling that Pure has more to prove than Lucifer has.. looking at May he beat Nada and Kal whom both are on the list, whereas Pure beat basically none of interest... as for fellating Lucifer... well he is in KTF so, perhaps that would get one closer to Reach <3 |
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| Mortality United States. June 06 2008 11:55. Posts 4790 | Profile Blog # |
I don't even think that Much has played that excellently when it mattered. Bisu's hand injury showed in the game against Much more than Much shined. Mind forgot fucking siege mode. Then drawing FBH who's known for bad TvP when other players favored to advance get stuck with hard opponents (cough* Nada *cough* Mind *cough) in MSL was a godsend. I'll admit it -- I was surprised by how much more solid FBH's TvP is than before, and I'll admit that Much shined yesterday, but that's basically it. He's looked terrible the rest of the time.
Oh, you did not just compare Pure to Best. Don't even go there. A PL only player who isn't even facing a terribly hard roster just cannot be compared. And didn't Anytime seem gimmicky? Ra and Garimto to some extent seemed gimmicky too.Lucifer's performance this month has just been better, at least to my eyes. Yesterday I was arguing with Phradamon because he insisted that Lucifer's crazy style made him better than Best, but today I'll argue with you that it doesn't make him worse than Pure. I realized that long ago when Pusan went nowhere compared to Anytime (and at the time I argued for Pusan).
Spekaing of Anytime, he and Bisu are the only two good palyers Pure has faced this month and Bisu pulled the win despite his bad hands right now. Anytime, however, got 2-0'd, though how much of that is due to Anytime's slump and how much is due to Pure's skill is unclear since I saw neither of those games (but if you hand that to Pure's skill, hand Free's win over Anytime to Free's skill too--).
You seem biased against forgg. His TvP is ridiculous, his TvZ has always been pretty good, and now he's starting to string together "coincidental victories" in TvT too. Players can change. Much was basically considered a nobody by almost everyone until mid 2007.
Free is not terrible. He may be boring, but he isn't terrible. His PvP is looking rock solid and his PvT is doing pretty damn good too. I don't care about his wins against Light, but Mind, Much and Jangbi are pretty big wins. |
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| ScarFace United States. June 06 2008 11:58. Posts 1175 | Profile Blog # |
I'm with mort on this one, gotta say. Creativity is just as important as Mechanics. Lucifers creativity has given him more impressive wins over more impressive opponents, seems clear cut to me.
Is this is this argument even worth anything? Like, would FS even conceivably be convinced and edit the PR, or are we just wasting our time? Last edit: 2008-06-06 12:00:58 |
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 Carnac Germany. June 06 2008 11:58. Posts 16369 | Profile Blog # |
On June 06 2008 11:55 Mortality wrote:
Much was basically considered a nobody by almost everyone until mid 2007.
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| IdrA United States. June 06 2008 11:59. Posts 11455 | Profile Blog # |
gimmicky as hell is good for protoss steve
stork obviously has about 10x the mechanics of lucifer, but stork plays predictably while lucifer plays like a foreign toss. guess whos winning more games atm. |
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| o[twist] United States. June 06 2008 12:02. Posts 4903 | Profile # |
| Ballsy list. I'm a little disappointed you didn't include Lomo in CBNC. Do you think he's not worth watching or has he just not played enough to prove himself yet? I would never have ranked Mind as low as you did, but sighed sadly and nodded when I saw. Last edit: 2008-06-06 12:02:35 |
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| FakeSteve[TPR] Valhalla. June 06 2008 12:04. Posts 17084 | Profile Blog # |
On June 06 2008 12:02 o[twist] wrote:
Ballsy list. I'm a little disappointed you didn't include Lomo in CBNC. Do you think he's not worth watching or has he just not played enough to prove himself yet? I would never have ranked Mind as low as you did, but sighed sadly and nodded when I saw.
I'll admit Lomo has improved, and his last few wins have been impressive. But really, its such a short burst, do you really feel he's worthy to be mentioned after the ten best players on the planet? He's gotta improve a little more before that will happen, but yeah, I'm watching him.
And yes, it pained me as well to put Mind so low, but you just can't get to the ro16 in both leagues and then get eliminated horribly.Last edit: 2008-06-06 12:06:56 |
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| darktreb United States. June 06 2008 12:05. Posts 2780 | Profile # |
It's a real shame Mind is out of both leagues ... there's only two players out there I'd put my money on playing against Jaedong right now, and that's Flash and Mind.
In a BO5 I'd take Mind over anybody except Flash (obviously) and possibly Jaedong/Best but Mind's shown that he can beat both of those guys, and in CONVINCING fashion at that. Too bad Mind isn't getting to the BO5 stage (or even the BO3 stage except against indestructible Flash) any time soon. |
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| HaXxorIzed Australia. June 06 2008 12:08. Posts 4809 | Profile Blog # |
I remember back in the day when people said Light was headed someplace, lulz. That said, I definitely need to look at Bisu's OSL games post-win-over-mind and his proleauge games, to see how Bisu's play has been affected.
Also, I am pleased to see someone isn't buying into the Lucifer hype. |
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| FakeSteve[TPR] Valhalla. June 06 2008 12:10. Posts 17084 | Profile Blog # |
On June 06 2008 12:08 HaXxorIzed wrote:
I remember back in the day when people said Light was headed someplace, lulz. That said, I definitely need to look at Bisu's OSL games post-win-over-mind and his proleauge games, to see how Bisu's play has been affected.
Also, I am pleased to see someone isn't buying into the Lucifer hype.
Sometimes that oldschool sensibility just has to take over. We can't be cumming about every single flash in the pan, or the Power Rank wouldn't make any damn sense at all. |
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| geno United States. June 06 2008 12:11. Posts 1370 | Profile Blog # |
I think Much should have had his #6 spot last month (he only lost a single game that month, showing a better record than some of the people on the list at the time). This month his wins haven't been as convincing as I'd like, but #6 is fine this time around; like you said, he's made both leagues Ro8, and thats better than nearly every other player on the list. If he shows some of his brilliance from proleague last season, CJ might actually not suck as bad as they have been and Much might even move up to top5 or higher on this ranking. I hope he does too.
+ Show Spoiler [MSL Ro16 Much v FBH] +And as a side point: Personality has to count at least a little. I mean come on, how could ANYONE deny heart-Protoss his time in the spot light?! I've had his name in my sig since I first started watching him play, and now I'm glad others may be joining me as a Much fan!
As for the rest of the list.. I'd have a hard time disagreeing with some of the choices, but thats for good reason. It really feels to me that anyone below 3rd place this month is a toss up based on what one person values over another (staying power, recent results, recent form and competition level, individual league success, proleague success, etc.).
First, the top 3. Take a look at the current ELO rankings for TLPD... Flash is just clearly the hottest, Jaedong is clearly second, and Best is clearly third.. its non-negotiable. In every aspect of success I just listed, all three of these players are clearly a cut above the rest.
But taking a look at the rest, it really is just so much closer between every player. Honestly, if you threw 4 through 9 in a quick tourney/ladder/whatever, you would have to be stupid to think any single one of them wouldn't be a contender for 1st (Not to say Pure isn't an up and coming player worthy of his spot; its just that he hasn't had enough games and I definitely haven't seen enough of them to include him with confidence). But once you throw in ANY of the top 3, suddenly a favorite for the thing is inevitable. This really has been the state of progaming ever since Jaedong took over. Flash quickly stepped over him (but not too far) to hold the crown for the Terran race, and BeSt seems to be knocking on that door as the Protoss representative trying to show us that Bisu wasn't a fluke and the Protoss deserve their champion. Then come the second tier competitors, each strong enough in their own right to take some shots at the top 3, but none showing that they have been able to so far. Each definitely having the potential to join the top 3, but not realizing that potential just yet.
Of course, there is a tier below these players, full of the newer and bench roster, the slumpers and steady fighters. I think you did a pretty good job of picking the 7 that stand above these players and I'm not sure I have any additions for CBNC either. Overall, I think I agree with this PR more than last month (as I seem to value a lot of the things you do) but I can see why there is some contention. Some of these players are just really close. Anyways, good PR this month!Last edit: 2008-06-06 12:25:14 |
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 Last Romantic United States. June 06 2008 12:17. Posts 20146 | Profile Blog # |
| Light has been 'heading someplace' for 2 years. Super Terran. y'know. |
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| Gregsen Germany. June 06 2008 12:30. Posts 664 | Profile Blog # |
| I so don't care about the other ranks, but NaDa #7 absolutly made my day. |
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| menewb Belgium. June 06 2008 12:37. Posts 1 | Profile # |
| Ehh, What about Backho, the guy put Bisu, Jaedong and Casy out of OSL... He should deserve some credits despite what people might say about him... |
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