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 ScarFace United States. July 07 2008 11:16. Posts 1175 | Profile Blog # |
On July 07 2008 09:07 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 07 2008 00:57 ScarFace wrote:
This is a shitty power rank. Besides the joke of Sea, where the hell is much? Why is july and luxury so god damn low? I understand july not being really high, but he deserves seven or something for a FINAL. Luxury went pretty far...choked...but you still cant deny his play. FORGG is too high all together, he still can only play two match ups you know, well. I have no clue why Hwasin dropped so brutally, other players who got knocked out of the msl kept their positions or were actually rewarded for it. For the third month in a row, I am forced to say, this is a shitty power rank. :\
Okay, first of all, mind your manners. This is so close to bordering on rudeness I won't tolerate. This isn't the first time you've been rude about the PR, but you're genuinely discussing the rankings rather than just flippantly telling me to go fuck myself, so there's no real problem. Just be nice okay?
On July 07 2008 09:07 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
Much is in the CBNC, he'd be 10th on the PR.
Well heres my problem here, I don't mind Much dropping. Personally I think hes more deserving of a spot than others above him but hey. What really irks me is Sea. Much loses out on the Power Rank because Sea is a nice guy? FS, how can you make arguments based on peoples skill one second but put sea to #1 because hes cool? If there is no one set reason why someone rises or falls, then the power rank loses meaning and cohesion. If Seas spot is #1 for like a few more days because you want to give credit to his out reach, I don't care. If you intend to keep him, how can you honestly justify the inconsistent basis on how people are placed in spots?
On July 07 2008 09:07 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
Luxury is lower because he didnt play up to the standard at which he would have to during games 4 and 5 of his OSL semifinal. Please understand that Luxury is one of my favourite players, but I simply had to place him lower than other people who have been performing better with more consistency overall.
Yeah, I agree with that. Choking does deserve punishment. I concede on that point.
On July 07 2008 09:07 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
fOrGG is so high because he is playing really, really well. I'm not sure what else to say to you, watch some of his games.
Don't get me wrong, he is. I thought FORGG deserved six or seven a few days ago, and that was before Luxuries FAIL against Best. He does deserve a high spot. I think five is too high, because thats a middle spot. Should anyone be put in a middle spot when there is a giant question mark around one of their match ups? I just don't think so. FORGG's tvt may be getting better....but I just don't think theres enough to say for that right now.
On July 07 2008 09:07 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
Now, let's just talk about you for a moment. Do YOU watch every single pro game every month?
Beyond for a few odd games between insignificant players, yes.
On July 07 2008 09:07 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:do YOU have six years of experience analyzing professional starcraft? Do YOU appreciate every nuance, every subtlety of the games you watch? I do, that's why I write the Power Rank. If you don't, maybe you aren't in a position to call anything "shitty", hmm?
I don't have six years of watching starcraft but I've been playing the game since an extremely young age, before I was even six. I understand Starcraft pretty damn well, some things may be lost on me compared to other people, but I think I have a fairly good claim on where people should go. As to shitty: How do you expect me to react? Most of these decisions I can agree with, or at least see the motivation beyond [I disagree with the *extent* you dropped Hwasin for example, but not the drop in and of itself], but after you put Sea on the power rank, its just...blah. Either way, if I understand Starcraft as well as you or not, I have the right to criticize, no? Though I did it in the wrong way, so my apologies.
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 KwarK United Kingdom. July 07 2008 11:23. Posts 20490 | Profile Blog # |
On July 07 2008 11:16 ScarFace wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 07 2008 09:07 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
Much is in the CBNC, he'd be 10th on the PR.
Well heres my problem here, I don't mind Much dropping. Personally I think hes more deserving of a spot than others above him but hey. What really irks me is Sea. Much loses out on the Power Rank because Sea is a nice guy? FS, how can you make arguments based on peoples skill one second but put sea to #1 because hes cool? If there is no one set reason why someone rises or falls, then the power rank loses meaning and cohesion. If Seas spot is #1 for like a few more days because you want to give credit to his out reach, I don't care. If you intend to keep him, how can you honestly justify the inconsistent basis on how people are placed in spots?
I think you're still not getting it.
Places 2 to 11 are not based upon niceness, nor are they inconsistant. 2 to 11 is this months power rank, rather than the usual 1-10. Coolness won't help a player rise in the 2 to 11 zone.
What has happened is that Sea has been given the title of #1 PR while simultaneously the value of #1 PR has been given to #2, the value of #2 to #3 and so forth up to 11. Sea's title is empty and the power rank itself remains entirely unchanged by his intrusion. In short there is no reason to complain about Sea on this power rank because he's not on the power rank. He holds the title but the power rank itself is from 2 to 11.
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| Athos United States. July 07 2008 12:25. Posts 2457 | Profile Blog # |
| I enjoyed this powerrank. Hopefully Sea will one day earn his way back to the top spot! Maybe you guys could convince him to play every game like it was pro-league. Then he would be unstoppable! |
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| LxRogue United States. July 07 2008 12:29. Posts 1402 | Profile Blog # |
| Kal doesn't deserve a spot IMO; he's been very mediocre this month. I don't think players should get a free pass on the PR just because they played well 2 months ago. |
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 FakeSteve[TPR] Valhalla. July 07 2008 12:32. Posts 17062 | Profile Blog # |
On July 07 2008 11:16 ScarFace wrote:
[Yeah sorry, I am a little more hostile on this site than regularly, because the site in general is most hostile. Though I guess moderation is trying to turn that around.
that's cool. like i said there isnt much of a problem because you're in here to debate the legitimacy of the ranking, not tell me how bad i am at anything
Well heres my problem here, I don't mind Much dropping. Personally I think hes more deserving of a spot than others above him but hey. What really irks me is Sea. Much loses out on the Power Rank because Sea is a nice guy? FS, how can you make arguments based on peoples skill one second but put sea to #1 because hes cool? If there is no one set reason why someone rises or falls, then the power rank loses meaning and cohesion. If Seas spot is #1 for like a few more days because you want to give credit to his out reach, I don't care. If you intend to keep him, how can you honestly justify the inconsistent basis on how people are placed in spots?
Sea is on the Power Rank for a different reason, the actual ranking goes from 2 to 11 as Kwark said. This is a one-time thing that is spurred by a very memorable few days. Given the work that goes into this every month I don't think that's unacceptable.
Don't get me wrong, he is. I thought FORGG deserved six or seven a few days ago, and that was before Luxuries FAIL against Best. He does deserve a high spot. I think five is too high, because thats a middle spot. Should anyone be put in a middle spot when there is a giant question mark around one of their match ups? I just don't think so. FORGG's tvt may be getting better....but I just don't think theres enough to say for that right now.
fOrGG has certainly been playing better than the people below him. You can't assign random criteria for every specific spot. If fOrGG deserved sixth in your mind, and then Luxury crashed and burned, wouldn't fOrGG logically be in fifth?
I don't have six years of watching starcraft but I've been playing the game since an extremely young age, before I was even six. I understand Starcraft pretty damn well, some things may be lost on me compared to other people, but I think I have a fairly good claim on where people should go. As to shitty: How do you expect me to react? Most of these decisions I can agree with, or at least see the motivation beyond [I disagree with the *extent* you dropped Hwasin for example, but not the drop in and of itself], but after you put Sea on the power rank, its just...blah. Either way, if I understand Starcraft as well as you or not, I have the right to criticize, no? Though I did it in the wrong way, so my apologies.
You certainly do have a right to criticize, I didn't mean to imply that you don't. All I meant to convey is that I am well past qualified to write this Power Rank, and I put a hell of a lot of work into doing so. It's always acceptable to have different views about ProGaming, that's what makes it such a captivating area of interest. It's just not acceptable in any way to make personal slurs against me (which you haven't done, mind) or to claim this rank is "shitty" because you disagree with it. Of course it won't suit everyone's views every single month, that's not even remotely possible.
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 Last Romantic United States. July 07 2008 12:41. Posts 20146 | Profile Blog # |
On July 07 2008 07:01 Live2Win wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 06 2008 18:04 Last Romantic wrote:
sea s2
how punny
p.s. julyzerg has been in 5 OSL finals iirc, 2:2 in them [win over iloveoov, goodfriend, loss to julyzerg, iloveoov]
You mean wins over REACH (Gillette, his win over Oov was semifinals), GoodFriend (EVER04). Losses over NaDa (IOPS) and Oov (Shinhan05). I'm not very surprised to see that it was LR who forgets Reach was one of the ones who lost to July in an OSL final. lol! As to those who are complaining about Sea being #1. SUCK IT UP. This isn't KeSPA, this is Team Liquid. We don't go by points, we don't go by wins. We go by our gut feeling and the impression the players have given. And Sea has shown a lot of TL <3 the past week, so FS decides to reward him in a small way. Got a problem with that? Too.Fucking.Bad.
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why does everyone keep laughing at me about that? Fakesteve and Idra and now L2W
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| dO_ov United States. July 07 2008 12:46. Posts 190 | Profile Blog # |
reach fan? no? ^.-v
anyway,
fun to read as usual, i must say power rank is one of the many things i enjoy at TL. man still can't believe Sea gamed you guys!
btw, the PR is based on his opinion. people have different opinions. why are people arguing? if it's not entertaining forget it, go make your own PR in your blog or something. waste of posts x(Last edit: 2008-07-07 12:46:50 |
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| ScarFace United States. July 07 2008 13:13. Posts 1175 | Profile Blog # |
On July 07 2008 12:32 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 07 2008 11:16 ScarFace wrote:
Don't get me wrong, he is. I thought FORGG deserved six or seven a few days ago, and that was before Luxuries FAIL against Best. He does deserve a high spot. I think five is too high, because thats a middle spot. Should anyone be put in a middle spot when there is a giant question mark around one of their match ups? I just don't think so. FORGG's tvt may be getting better....but I just don't think theres enough to say for that right now.
fOrGG has certainly been playing better than the people below him. You can't assign random criteria for every specific spot. If fOrGG deserved sixth in your mind, and then Luxury crashed and burned, wouldn't fOrGG logically be in fifth?
And thats the thing. Both of them have two strong match ups, and both of them have one weak one. The difference is, one is sweeping through a major league at the moment, while the other one has been playing at this level for the last 3 or so months. Consistency or momentum? I guess you value players on the Power rank in a different way than I do, but in my mind Kal should nudge out forgg, and Luxury should stay below both because while hes consistent, hes also a consistent choker. That just wont do, even more so when your talking 1-4 on the power rank, which is suppose to be S class. Last edit: 2008-07-07 13:14:20 |
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| FakeSteve[TPR] Valhalla. July 07 2008 13:38. Posts 17062 | Profile Blog # |
After the Kal vs fOrGG series there is no doubt in my mind that fOrGG should be above Kal
Maybe you view things differently, so we'll have to just disagree on this one I guess |
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| Kuja900 United States. July 07 2008 13:39. Posts 2789 | Profile Blog # |
| fakesteve if i may ask if july hypothetically defeats best i know this will vary depending on the people above him and the emphaticness of his victory but how high of a spot could you see yourself giving july on the powerrank barring any of the other people above him crashing and burning |
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| Februarys Korea (South). July 07 2008 14:23. Posts 259 | Profile Blog # |
On July 07 2008 05:11 Pinselstrich wrote:
What a dumb and pathetic PR that is. Although I didn't agree with many others too but at least you brought some real arguments into your write-ups. This, on the other side, is just plain ridicolous. If it isn't please tell me what Sea has DONE to get a no.1 spot? And no, adding you to his friendslist on west is not the kind of action I mean.
Has more heart than any other progamer, lol. As if you knew how much heart the ppl have, you seriously seem to be nothing more than a little fanboy, using the TLPR for his love-letters. Wow, I never thought you were such a nuthugger. -.-
Some people are just too stupid to realize that he put Sea on #1 as a joke. He's not being serious about it...the real PR starts from #2
We all know that Sea doesn't deserve a #1 PR spot skill-wise...but he's not there for that reason..its just a one-time joke thing.
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| CDRdude United States. July 07 2008 14:35. Posts 5413 | Profile Blog # |
FakeSteve, I am deeply disturbed by your lack of integrity with this power rank. The ranking this month is a travesty, an insult to all of us who wait each month with hope in our hearts. This power rank is an abomination, a piece of biased propaganda. FakeSteve you have let us down, there is no way around it.
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| FakeSteve[TPR] Valhalla. July 07 2008 14:43. Posts 17062 | Profile Blog # |
On July 07 2008 14:35 CDRdude wrote:FakeSteve, I am deeply disturbed by your lack of integrity with this power rank. The ranking this month is a travesty, an insult to all of us who wait each month with hope in our hearts. This power rank is an abomination, a piece of biased propaganda. FakeSteve you have let us down, there is no way around it. + Show Spoiler +As any honest man should clearly see, GOD OF WAR >>> Luxury. Yum Bo Sung fighting
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| Avidkeystamper United States. July 07 2008 14:52. Posts 8551 | Profile Blog # |
| Is it JulyZerg or July? 'Cause the TLPD shows it as July. I'm confused. |
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| blabber United States. July 07 2008 15:46. Posts 4131 | Profile Blog # |
| none of this would have happened if Sea wasn't invited to WWI in the first place, so maybe there are other progamers who are just as cool and whatnot as he is? |
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| Last Romantic United States. July 07 2008 16:16. Posts 20146 | Profile Blog # |
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| DeadVessel United States. July 08 2008 01:58. Posts 6269 | Profile Blog # |
Favorite power rank yet =]. But saint should've got an honorable mention steve ;].
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| NotSupporting Sweden. July 08 2008 02:59. Posts 1983 | Profile # |
"Like his teammate fOrGG, I don't particularly like Lomo. But, this ain't about feelings, it's about StarCraft"
*looks at sea's first place* hmm....Last edit: 2008-07-08 02:59:37 |
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| DamageControL United States. July 08 2008 03:14. Posts 3546 | Profile Blog # |
On July 08 2008 02:59 NotSupporting wrote:
"Like his teammate fOrGG, I don't particularly like Lomo. But, this ain't about feelings, it's about StarCraft"
*looks at sea's first place* hmm....
Well sea was a cool guy, mixed with FakeSteve's irrational love for sea anyways...
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