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Power Rank 10/15/2008 - Page 29

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 Avidkeystamper   United States. November 10 2008 02:08. Posts 8551
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Okay guys + Show Spoiler +
I'm saying It's not 50/50 for Jaedong vs Stork anymore.
You have to consider how Stork won those games, it wasn't through his gameplay.
He won through being defensive (BO?) and through mindgames.

+ Show Spoiler +
Jaedong
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 Darth Peter   Romania. November 10 2008 02:28. Posts 438
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I personally never agreed with ForGG being put that low on the list. And not particularly on the last list(although I would have put him on at least 5 last month), but more with how he was put on 6 the month before. Flash was sucking for three months then,and he was on third and got eliminated in the same stage of tournaments, and still was dropped down on 6,a spot Flash only got after 4 months sucking. For some reason,people overlook ForGG,and as much as it pains me,I got used of that,and for that reason I thank God if he is even put on the list. About Jaedong. You can place him anywhere between 2 and 6,based on what you think of him. I think he should get a no4 spot. The problem with him is that when he is equal in a game with his opponent,or in a slight disadvantage,he owns him. If he has a lead,he gets overconfident and gets bitchslapped,like how it happened 2 times this month. I await the next PR. I hope Fs does it at once.
 
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 Geo.Rion   Hungary. November 10 2008 02:48. Posts 5350
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On November 10 2008 02:02 adelarge wrote:

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Then what about ForGG? Winner of last MSL? ForGG is still a great player and yet he is sitting on 9th place and it seems nobody has problem with that. He won last MSL (big achivement like Jaedong recent good results), he didn't make it into OSL (like Jaedong) and he got kicked from MSL the exact round like Jaedong...and finally, he is doing really good in PL, like...you know who.

You either count past achivements and in that case, why the hell is ForGG 8 places behind Jaedong??, or you don't and then JD shouldn't be ahead of Flash. And if you are listing WCG Korea or GOM in JD's favor, you should also take into consideration how early he got knocked from OSL..that shouldn't happend to anyone who wants to be in top 3. And yet, JD is happily sitting on 1st place.

And edit to your edit
The one win doesn't matter much. I remember Mind raping Jaedong two times in PL in straight-up games in span of cca two weeks and he didn't even make it to CNBC.

Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against JD. And I don't care if he is one place above Flash in next PR or something like that. I just find totally ridicilous placing JD in top 3 and Flash in bottom 5...



i had problem with that, i said several times that he's underrated. And one win doesnt matter much, but if you didn't got better you use that too. They didnt made far in the leauges, JD fucked up the qulifires, got eliminated from MSL by a good opponent, while flash got eliminated by 2 not that great players. The gap between them isn't too large, but more clues are needed tho change them up
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
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  OneOther   United States. November 10 2008 03:48. Posts 10693Profile Blog # 

On November 10 2008 02:08 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Okay guys + Show Spoiler +
I'm saying It's not 50/50 for Jaedong vs Stork anymore.
You have to consider how Stork won those games, it wasn't through his gameplay.
He won through being defensive (BO?) and through mindgames.

+ Show Spoiler +

Come on now. Stork won those through mind play = gameplay. That's how you win games on imbalanced maps. Good strategies backed up by solid mechanics. Let's not take away what he did. I don't see how losing to Lux makes Stork's chance less verses Jaedong. That's like saying since BeSt lost to Stork, he has less chance of winning against Bisu. You know what I mean?

Keep in mind, the maps are HEAVILY Zerg favored. This is not only my opinion, but also the opinions of Korean commentators and NonY. So yeah, be reasonable.

Stork is STILL ahead verses Luxury. PvZ is such a volatile matchup :/
Last edit: 2008-11-10 03:52:11
 
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  OneOther   United States. November 10 2008 03:49. Posts 10693Profile Blog # 

On November 10 2008 00:03 malongo wrote:
oneother is having a hard time for next PR but i guess thats the idea. I remade my last PR based on the games i saw today on gomtv and wcg and added some comments.

+ Show Spoiler +


I think FakeSteve said he was doing it..
If it's not posted by tomorrow I'll do it.
Actually I'll do it later today
Last edit: 2008-11-10 04:07:05
 
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  Dazed_Spy   Canada. November 10 2008 04:04. Posts 1584Profile Blog # 

On November 09 2008 07:26 OneOther wrote:
yeah whenever JD loses we should never give credit to his opponents
No. Rather, I don't believe in giving undo credit. Frozean is not an amazing player because he beat Jaedong once. Stork is not a great pvz because he beat Jaedong in an unimportant tournament.

+ Show Spoiler +
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 Darth Peter   Romania. November 10 2008 04:18. Posts 438
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When Flash lost to go.go and Canata when he had 11 games winning streak we didn't gave credit to his opponents either. Losses happen. The problem is it happened too many times with Jaedong recently,and what really annoys me is that he lost to a player who was later on beaten 2-0 by Luxury's inferior p v z. And I think we can give credit to his opponent,especially Free,Stork,Yarnc,Sangho. They were all well prepped and played without mistake. Stork could have blown away the lead he had too,after Jd fucked up,but he didn't.
 
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 strongwind   United States. November 10 2008 05:08. Posts 739
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+ Show Spoiler [wcg] +
Last edit: 2008-11-10 05:43:02
Taek Bang Fighting!
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 TarsTarkas   United States. November 10 2008 05:14. Posts 169
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I think that my Power rank would be something like

1. Stork - he is playing too well to be placed anywhere else, and getting results to boot.

2. Bisu - wtf, how did Stork and Bisu enter god mode at the same time? I feel like time is rewinding.

3. Free - this spot is somewhat questionable. Free is just as on fire as the two protoss above him, and is playing far better than he ever has. I am sad that his match against Bisu is the MSL semifinals and not the finals - I am looking forward to that quite a bit.

4. Jaedong - why jaedong? why have you not ruthlessly manhandled all opposition as you normally would? why are there 3 protoss above you in the power rank? why would I give all 3 of them at least even odds against you? Jaedong has been somewhat disappointing as of late. Hopefully this wont last.

5. Fantasy - you put up one good fight against Stork, and your OSL games were all amazing. But... its like you have an inferior twin who plays all of your other games.

6. Flash - Flash has been kinda under the radar, eliminated early from both major leagues. However, he is still playing well and has good results in Proleague and GOM. I admit to not watching most of Flash's games, so this position may be highly debatable.

7. BeSt - BeSt may be a dethroned PvP tyrant, but pretty much every player that isn't zerg or stork should get very nervous playing him.

8. Kal - Kal is amazing! sometimes. His games against Iris were painful, and not in a good way. But his games against Stork were very fun. Kal is hard to place.

9. Jangbi - Jangbi is playing really well, from the 3 games I have seen of him (3-0 Yarnc rape). I think Jangbi/Kal/BeSt are all even, and free is only a notch above. But I had to put non protoss players somewhere in the ranking. Jangbi deserves to be higher than #9, but so do a lot of people. Including people not even on the rank.

10. ForGG - speaking of people who also deserve to be higher than #9, that would be ForGG. ForGG is still good - he does well in proleague (ace match wins!), had a nice series with Stork, which he can't really be blamed for loosing. But despite this, he is somewhat inconspicuous.

CBNC:

Luxury, I guess. I haven't been watching his games either.
FBH - I cannot tell if your TvP was waaaaaay overhyped or if Bisu is just that much better.
Calm - a major staple of STX this season, he is really coming out.
Much - just for helping Stork and being amazing.
Pusan - yeah!!!!!! Pusan is doing well.
Those who think they know everything, are very annoying to those of us who do. - Mark Twain
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 raga4ka   Bulgaria. November 10 2008 05:17. Posts 4999
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How come there is still no PR ? Is FakeSteve on vacation ? Anyways Stork should be #1 other then that i think Luxury should be metioned not because he killed Stork but because he is a monster in PL as well .
"For the progamer of today and ad infinitum, there will always be the ceiling that is Ma Jae-Yoon. Look on his works, ye mighty, and despair" -Xxio
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 Avidkeystamper   United States. November 10 2008 05:23. Posts 8551
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On November 10 2008 05:14 TarsTarkas wrote:
I think that my Power rank would be something like

1. Stork - he is playing too well to be placed anywhere else, and getting results to boot.

2. Bisu - wtf, how did Stork and Bisu enter god mode at the same time? I feel like time is rewinding.

3. Free - this spot is somewhat questionable. Free is just as on fire as the two protoss above him, and is playing far better than he ever has. I am sad that his match against Bisu is the MSL semifinals and not the finals - I am looking forward to that quite a bit.

4. Jaedong - why jaedong? why have you not ruthlessly manhandled all opposition as you normally would? why are there 3 protoss above you in the power rank? why would I give all 3 of them at least even odds against you? Jaedong has been somewhat disappointing as of late. Hopefully this wont last.

5. Fantasy - you put up one good fight against Stork, and your OSL games were all amazing. But... its like you have an inferior twin who plays all of your other games.

6. Flash - Flash has been kinda under the radar, eliminated early from both major leagues. However, he is still playing well and has good results in Proleague and GOM. I admit to not watching most of Flash's games, so this position may be highly debatable.

7. BeSt - BeSt may be a dethroned PvP tyrant, but pretty much every player that isn't zerg or stork should get very nervous playing him.

8. Kal - Kal is amazing! sometimes. His games against Iris were painful, and not in a good way. But his games against Stork were very fun. Kal is hard to place.

9. Jangbi - Jangbi is playing really well, from the 3 games I have seen of him (3-0 Yarnc rape). I think Jangbi/Kal/BeSt are all even, and free is only a notch above. But I had to put non protoss players somewhere in the ranking. Jangbi deserves to be higher than #9, but so do a lot of people. Including people not even on the rank.

10. ForGG - speaking of people who also deserve to be higher than #9, that would be ForGG. ForGG is still good - he does well in proleague (ace match wins!), had a nice series with Stork, which he can't really be blamed for loosing. But despite this, he is somewhat inconspicuous.

CBNC:

Luxury, I guess. I haven't been watching his games either.
FBH - I cannot tell if your TvP was waaaaaay overhyped or if Bisu is just that much better.
Calm - a major staple of STX this season, he is really coming out.
Much - just for helping Stork and being amazing.
Pusan - yeah!!!!!! Pusan is doing well.


Yesyes! Except with Calm, he had wins over less qualified opponents. Maybe Roro? Maybe. And lol@ Much love.
Jaedong
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 raga4ka   Bulgaria. November 10 2008 05:38. Posts 4999
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On November 10 2008 05:23 Avidkeystamper wrote:

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Yesyes! Except with Calm, he had wins over less qualified opponents. Maybe Roro? Maybe. And lol@ Much love.


Agree somewhat with this rank except maybe Free over Bisu and Flash over fantasy .
"For the progamer of today and ad infinitum, there will always be the ceiling that is Ma Jae-Yoon. Look on his works, ye mighty, and despair" -Xxio
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 Geo.Rion   Hungary. November 10 2008 05:42. Posts 5350
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On November 10 2008 05:08 strongwind wrote:
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No, WCG silver doesn't count in the competition between him and Yellow for The Silver, or anywhere, TL doesnt record's it either, just the wcg korea. But actually it might be funny that he comes out second once again, and once again facing an opponent that he should have beaten.
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
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 TarsTarkas   United States. November 10 2008 05:44. Posts 169
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On November 10 2008 05:38 raga4ka wrote:

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Agree somewhat with this rank except maybe Free over Bisu and Flash over fantasy .


Yeah, I think Flash/Fantasy are pretty interchangeable. Same goes for Jangbi/Kal/BeSt.

Bisu however, I feel pretty strongly about as second. His games have been amazing flawless pieces of art. Bisu has not just won his recent games, he has thoroughly dominated. Free just wins, albeit with style. Except Nada, who he dominated - but Nada was so un-Nada-like.

Free is good, but I see him rather as in intermediary between Stork/Bisu and Kal/Jangbi/BeSt.
Those who think they know everything, are very annoying to those of us who do. - Mark Twain
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 Geo.Rion   Hungary. November 10 2008 05:44. Posts 5350
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On November 10 2008 05:23 Avidkeystamper wrote:

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Yesyes! Except with Calm, he had wins over less qualified opponents. Maybe Roro? Maybe. And lol@ Much love.



if we take the games played today Flash and Fantasy might get switched, rest is OK. RoRO for cbnc, why not
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
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 Darth Peter   Romania. November 10 2008 05:51. Posts 438
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On November 10 2008 05:14 TarsTarkas wrote:
I think that my Power rank would be something like

1. Stork - he is playing too well to be placed anywhere else, and getting results to boot.

2. Bisu - wtf, how did Stork and Bisu enter god mode at the same time? I feel like time is rewinding.

3. Free - this spot is somewhat questionable. Free is just as on fire as the two protoss above him, and is playing far better than he ever has. I am sad that his match against Bisu is the MSL semifinals and not the finals - I am looking forward to that quite a bit.

4. Jaedong - why jaedong? why have you not ruthlessly manhandled all opposition as you normally would? why are there 3 protoss above you in the power rank? why would I give all 3 of them at least even odds against you? Jaedong has been somewhat disappointing as of late. Hopefully this wont last.

5. Fantasy - you put up one good fight against Stork, and your OSL games were all amazing. But... its like you have an inferior twin who plays all of your other games.

6. Flash - Flash has been kinda under the radar, eliminated early from both major leagues. However, he is still playing well and has good results in Proleague and GOM. I admit to not watching most of Flash's games, so this position may be highly debatable.

7. BeSt - BeSt may be a dethroned PvP tyrant, but pretty much every player that isn't zerg or stork should get very nervous playing him.

8. Kal - Kal is amazing! sometimes. His games against Iris were painful, and not in a good way. But his games against Stork were very fun. Kal is hard to place.

9. Jangbi - Jangbi is playing really well, from the 3 games I have seen of him (3-0 Yarnc rape). I think Jangbi/Kal/BeSt are all even, and free is only a notch above. But I had to put non protoss players somewhere in the ranking. Jangbi deserves to be higher than #9, but so do a lot of people. Including people not even on the rank.

10. ForGG - speaking of people who also deserve to be higher than #9, that would be ForGG. ForGG is still good - he does well in proleague (ace match wins!), had a nice series with Stork, which he can't really be blamed for loosing. But despite this, he is somewhat inconspicuous.

CBNC:

Luxury, I guess. I haven't been watching his games either.
FBH - I cannot tell if your TvP was waaaaaay overhyped or if Bisu is just that much better.
Calm - a major staple of STX this season, he is really coming out.
Much - just for helping Stork and being amazing.
Pusan - yeah!!!!!! Pusan is doing well.

Excellent ranking. Mine would be almost the same. And yeah,Calm deserves to get at least CNBC. Sea.Really,Leta,Much and Lomo are no way to be considered lesser opponents,and I am not even talking about his excellent performance against Bisu today. Calm is a great player,and I think the most promising of the upcoming Zerg players of Effort,Type-b and himself,because unlike these players,all of his MU's are strong.
 
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  fanatacist   November 10 2008 06:59. Posts 10000Profile Blog # 
Damn, 6 Protosses on that proposed PR. I like [:

LEGEND OF THE FALL!~~
Peace~
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 fusionsdf   Canada. November 10 2008 07:01. Posts 15354
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I agree with the top 6 of that for sure, after that it becomes a bit hazy
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
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 Malongo   Chile. November 10 2008 07:16. Posts 2787
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fantasy is SO overrated look at his pl performance and his last games, he is not a top notch player, flash, best and jangbi look like A LOT stronger than him. They have all about 3 times his proleague record and on individual leagues they have shown same results. He got eliminated from msl by hwasin and tempest (look at these 2 and compare them to flash best and jangbi).

ps my PR list is about 2 pages back
Last edit: 2008-11-10 07:28:42
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 TarsTarkas   United States. November 10 2008 07:20. Posts 169
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On November 10 2008 07:16 malongo wrote:
fantasy is SO overrated look at his pl performance and his last games, he is not a top notch player, flash, best and jangbi look like A LOT stronger than him. They have all about 3 times his proleague record and on individual leagues they have shown same results. He got eliminated from msl by hwasin and tempest (look at these 2 and compare them to flash best and jangbi).


This is all true - for some reason, fantasy sucks when not playing OSL. I don't know why, his games don't look at all similar, they have no flair. His rank is also negotiable, but given his OSL performance I think where I have him is justified.
Those who think they know everything, are very annoying to those of us who do. - Mark Twain
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