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Club Protoss Round of 8 Week Two Recap Semifinals Preview
Whenever there's a chance for an all same race semifinals, usually at least one player of another race gets hot and ruins the mirror party. When I looked at this MSL's Z and T roster, I believed that one of Jaedong, FBH, Hwasin, or ForGG would catch fire and advance to the semis. Unfortunately, the bracket was heavily loaded on one side, and the two Protoss players with the most raw potential (Bisu and Free) were suddenly playing lights-out every game. If these two are "on" for any particular match, nobody was beating them. Jaedong or FBH would have easily advanced further in the other half of the draw, but instead were bounced out early.
On the surface, these semifinals are horrible. Not only are there no Terrans or Zergs, there's also no Stork, no Best, and no Pusan. There isn't even BackHo to add the laugh-at-him entertainment value. In addition, one semifinal (Bisu-Free) contains by far the two best players in the MSL. PvP isn't bad relative to the other matchups, but by the eleventh game of rock-paper-scissors build order wins or no rush 15 minute max out snorefests, you will want to rip your hair out.
If you're upset about this, fear not, for your trusty Club Day Online MSL news poster has come up with a drinking game tailored to PvP to get you through these two series. But before we get to that and the previews of the semis, let's recap the two quarterfinal series that happened in week two.
Dance Dance Revolutionist
Bisu 3-0 firebathero
After receiving weeks of hype, an excited buzz around his reinvented TvP, and a brand new TL fan club, FireBatHero flamed out in disastrous fashion the instant he had to play a competent P in a Bo5. Now the FBH fanboys are fleeing his bandwagon as if it was the Titanic. I must admit, while I predicted Bisu to win, I thought FBH would put up more of a fight. So much hype, yet crushed in the Round of 8. I can't say I'm surprised though, as FBH has never matched his flair and theatrics with actual results. In case you can't tell, I typed this last paragraph with a huge smug banana grin.
Game One @ Medusa + Show Spoiler [Show Summary] + Bisu opened with a safe gate-robo-gate while FBH 1-fac expanded, making seven marines with his tank before moving to take his natural. Bisu moved in, and the marines imitated their master: they danced around, failed to kill anything, and eventually died to Protoss units. ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/Hot_Bid/3MSLsemis/Bisu_FBH_11.jpg)
Bisu engaged and killed five marines and a tank while only losing his zealot. The early robotics paid off, as the shuttle and reaver arrived at FBH's base before any turrets were even started.
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/Hot_Bid/3MSLsemis/Bisu_FBH_12.jpg)
The reaver scored 13 SCVs and 4 marines, but Bisu didn't settle for just that, moving in with six dragoons and his reaver to pick off tanks.
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/Hot_Bid/3MSLsemis/Bisu_FBH_13.jpg)
Bisu eventually forced FBH's natural CC to lift, killed a factory, and after picking up a second reaver back home, razed four critical supply depots:
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/Hot_Bid/3MSLsemis/Bisu_FBH_14.jpg)
The game had become incredibly lopsided at this point, with Bisu running off three bases and eight gateways while FBH had one base, one factory, and a floating CC.
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/Hot_Bid/3MSLsemis/Bisu_FBH_15.jpg)
A minute later, Bisu mercifully ended it with a dragoon-reaver attack.
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This game was a rude wake-up call for those expecting an epic five set match.
Game Two @ Destination + Show Spoiler [Show Summary] + It was almost as if Bisu had an Annoying Protoss To-do List this game, opening gas steal and manner pylon into proxy gate: ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/Hot_Bid/3MSLsemis/Bisu_FBH_21.jpg)
To FBH's credit, he devised an ingenious way to trap Bisu's zealots with supply depots:
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/Hot_Bid/3MSLsemis/Bisu_FBH_22.jpg)
After killing the proxy, FBH took his natural. Bisu expanded twice in responses while dragoon harassing the bunker at FBH's bridges. Given the opening I was expecting a DT drop followed by Carriers, but Bisu did not complete the circle of abuse, instead playing safe with a robo and reavers.
At a weird timing, FBH moved out toward Bisu's third base with three tanks supported by a few marines, scvs, and vultures. This mini push was quickly crushed by dragoons and a reaver:
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/Hot_Bid/3MSLsemis/Bisu_FBH_23.jpg)
After a long period of macro, FBH slow pushed toward Bisu's third. For some inexplicable reason, Bisu opted to let the nexus die before breaking the push. At this point both players had impressively large armies:
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But Bisu had teched to Arbiters, and promptly recalled into FBH's main:
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Bisu's recall didn't do a lot of damage, but it did force FBH's army to move out of position, allowing an opening for Bisu to shut down FBH's recently established third base:
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/Hot_Bid/3MSLsemis/Bisu_FBH_28.jpg)
FBH cleaned up the recall and moved back out to defend his third. When FBH saw a second arbiter fly into his main to recall again, he just GG'd out:
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/Hot_Bid/3MSLsemis/Bisu_FBH_29.jpg)
I suppose you could call this game an improvement, as FBH managed to push out of his natural and even kill a nexus, but Bisu was never really in danger all game.
Game Three @ Athena 2 + Show Spoiler [Show Summary] +
When FBH typed out, he basically sprinted out of the booth. I doubt he will shed any tears of agony. If we could see FBH's face, it would probably just have a glassy-eyed expression of shock, as if he'd be hit by a truck. Bisu, on the other hand, stifled a yawn. When he is playing well, Bisu 3-0's people. That's just what happens. It doesn't matter who is standing in his way.
Mr. Dragoon
free 3-0 NaDa
Free's strength is that his basic unit micro is just a level above everyone else. If Bisu's unit is the DT, Free's unit is the dragoon. His dragoons are special. They move smoothly, live longer, and somehow never glitch. Everyone remembers that pimpest plays video of Free minesweeping with dragoons only on Longinus II. His unit control is so good that two of the three games this series never make it past midgame. In the Bisu-FBH series, you kind of felt that Bisu was playing well while FBH had an off day, and if they met again the series might have been closer. But watching the Free-Nada series was different. Nada didn't stand a chance. He wasn't even remotely close in any of the three games.
Game One @ Medusa + Show Spoiler [Show Summary] + Nada opened two fac and Free went 1-gate robo reaver. ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/Hot_Bid/3MSLsemis/Free_Nada_11.jpg) Free deflected the attack by using a zealot to mine drag and kill several marines. Dragoons and a reaver do the clean up. ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/Hot_Bid/3MSLsemis/Free_Nada_12.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/Hot_Bid/3MSLsemis/Free_Nada_13.jpg) In his counterattack, Free sniped a tank in the back of Nada's base with a reaver and simultaneously picked off a second tank at the front with dragoons. ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/Hot_Bid/3MSLsemis/Free_Nada_14.jpg) Then Free does something I just won't understand. He moves against three spread-sieged tanks and two goliaths with six dragoons, miraculously losing only two while killing two tanks and a goliath. ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/Hot_Bid/3MSLsemis/Free_Nada_15.jpg) A double reaver drop officially ended it. ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/Hot_Bid/3MSLsemis/Free_Nada_16.jpg) If I were a Terran playing Free, I wouldn't gamble on him screwing up his early game dragoon micro. Siege expand is the way to go, not 2-fac. Nada learned this the hard way and as a result was down 0-1.
Game Two @ Destination + Show Spoiler [Show Summary] + Free's probe gets a kill: ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/Hot_Bid/3MSLsemis/Free_Nada_21.jpg) Free opened with a single proxy gate at Nada's bridges. ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/Hot_Bid/3MSLsemis/Free_Nada_22.jpg) Then Free put on a zealot harass clinic, taking out eleven SCVs and six marines with three zealots rallied from a single gateway. ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/Hot_Bid/3MSLsemis/Free_Nada_23.jpg) After taking heavy losses, Nada secured his ramp with four marines, a vulture, and a tank. Free then worked his dragoon magic, somehow killing most of the units up the ramp and forcing his way in with four dragoons. ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/Hot_Bid/3MSLsemis/Free_Nada_24.jpg) TWo tank kills and some dragoon dancing ensued, and Nada typed out. ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/Hot_Bid/3MSLsemis/Free_Nada_25.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/Hot_Bid/3MSLsemis/Free_Nada_26.jpg) Wow. That game was just brutal. Free's micro is just jaw droppingly good. He takes tier one units and wins fights that nobody else can win. Free makes zealot and dragoon harass seem unfair.
Game Three @ Athena 2 + Show Spoiler [Show Summary] + In a stark contrast to the first two games, both players went for conservative, macro-oriented builds. Nada went early armory research with only one factory, which meant he planned to take three bases and push out at close to maxed. Free responded by adding gateways and taking bases. ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/Hot_Bid/3MSLsemis/Free_Nada_31.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/Hot_Bid/3MSLsemis/Free_Nada_32.jpg) The first real fight came at the ten minute mark: a horrifying mistake by Nada to siege in a clump with no mines or vulture support, resulting in both armies trading. Any Protoss will take this trade every day of the week, because it meant a great reduction in the T's tank count. Ideally, a Terran wants to trade as many reinforcing vultures as possible for the protoss army. Tanks are valuable because they are not only expensive but take a long time to build and take even longer to get in position. Losing ten tanks so early meant Nada was very, very behind. ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/Hot_Bid/3MSLsemis/Free_Nada_33.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/Hot_Bid/3MSLsemis/Free_Nada_34.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/Hot_Bid/3MSLsemis/Free_Nada_35.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/Hot_Bid/3MSLsemis/Free_Nada_36.jpg) The next few minutes had Nada frantically trying to set up a third base. Free would deny him again and again, with the margin of victory of each fight slowly growing. Eventually, Free pushed Nada all the way back up his main ramp. ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/Hot_Bid/3MSLsemis/Free_Nada_37.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/Hot_Bid/3MSLsemis/Free_Nada_38.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/Hot_Bid/3MSLsemis/Free_Nada_39.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/Hot_Bid/3MSLsemis/Free_Nada_310.jpg) After losing that initial tank clump, Nada was too far behind to recover.
This was a match between an ordinary player with extraordinary accomplishments and an extraordinary player with ordinary accomplishments. It played out exactly as it should. The younger, sharper, rising player won out over the old veteran clinging to past glory. However, the series showed more than that. Free played flawlessly. I don't use that word lightly. Besides running into a few mines late game, I cannot see how he could have played this series any better. Free didn't gamble with 14 nexus or 1-gate blind expand or proxy DT. He just executed safe, reliable strategies with surgical precision, pushing every edge and leaving no holes.
It's a huge compliment to say someone's play looks clean, and these three games by Free were scary clean. We're talking pine smelling, cancer-curing, wipe out all bacteria clean.
PvP Drinking Game
What you need:- Ten beers, your choice of brand
- Bottle of hard liquor, your choice of brand
- Bottle of generic champagne
- Bottle of non-alcoholic stuff, can be water or soda, etc.
- Ten shot glasses
- Electrical tape
- A bucket
Fill one shot glass with each of the drinks listed above. You should use four of the shot glasses this way.
Next, cover the outside of the remaining six shot glasses with electrical tape. Fill two with liquor, two with beer, one with champagne, and one with your non-alcoholic drink. Try to move them around so you don't remember which is which. The tape will prevent you from knowing. These six are your "mystery" shots.
Take a shot of beer:- For each probe lost in zealot harass during the first two minutes
- For every successful reaver or storm drop
- If one commentator yells a unit name, and the other commentator's contribution is solely some version of "YAAAAAAA"
Take a shot of hard alcohol:- For each proxied building
- For each dark templar made
- If the commentators make that HAKKKKKKKKKKKK sound
Take a shot of champagne:- After each game completes
- For every shot of a hot girl in the crowd
- If you see the Titty Sambo commercial
Take a "mystery" shot:- At the start of each game
- If a player attempts an all-in strategy
- Every time a reaver fires a scarab
- Every large battle past the ten minute mark
This should get you sufficiently drunk even if its only three games. The bucket (affectionately named "Hwasin Bucket") is insurance just in case you are very unlucky with the mystery shots.
Semifinals Preview
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You guys are in for a treat. I didn't do this earlier for the other rounds, but since this is the semifinals, I'll put in the extra effort:
Detailed Semifinals Map Balance Analysis + Show Spoiler [Show Map Balance] + Amazing analysis, I know. Thanks.
Kal vs JangBi + Show Spoiler [Show Stats] + Player / Matchup / Last 10 / Last 3 Months / Head-to-Head Kal / PvP / 4-6 / 5-6 / 3-2 JangBi / PvP / 6-4 / 4-1 / 2-3 This semifinal sucks, mainly because of what could have been. Virtually any of the other players (ForGG, Stork, Iris, Type-b, Yarnc, etc) would make a cooler semi, with more interesting storylines and certainly more diverse matchups. Instead we have a boring non-Stork Samsung Protoss when we'd rather have a Zerg, and his spectacularly mediocre opponent is only in the semis only because Stork had to practice for the OSL Finals.
Kal beat Stork 3-2, but Jangbi's recent PvP results have been strong as well. But factor in the practice partners (Stork for Jangbi, Yoonjoong/BestGod for Kal) and that Jangbi is streaking (13-2 overall in the last three months) and it seems Jangbi has the edge. But Kal won the head to head Bo5 3-2 between these two back in GomTV4. Kal is also strangely successful against Stork (6-3). It's going to be close, but I predict a well practiced, mechanically stronger Jangbi to prevail, 3-2.
Bisu vs free + Show Spoiler [Show Stats] + Stats]Player / Matchup / Last 10 / Last 3 Months / Head-to-Head Bisu / PvP / 8-2 / 7-2 / 1-3 free / PvP / 4-6 / 2-1 / 3-1 This semi really should be the finals. Both these players have so much momentum that it's a shame that one of them has to lose. This series will almost certainly be played at a dramatically higher level than the other semifinal. I can't think of reasons to choose one player over the other, except the fact that Bisu's been to the semis far more times than Free has. This experience advantage should be worth at least one game in series with evenly matched opponents, so I'm predicting Bisu 3-2.
Next week, the Club Day Online MSL concludes. We know it will be a Protoss champion, but will it be a first time winner in Kal Jangbi and Free, or will Bonjwa Bisu make an appearance? See you next week.Last edit: 2009-01-23 14:26:19 |
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GrandInquisitor   New York City. November 12 2008 02:22. Posts 7690 | Profile Blog |
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IrrasO   United States. November 12 2008 02:26. Posts 135 | Profile |
| nice write-up, but how could you not mention the humiliation scouts? Last edit: 2008-11-12 02:26:46 |
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TarsTarkas   United States. November 12 2008 02:35. Posts 143 | Profile |
I <3 Hot_Bid
Excellent read, especially enjoyed the 'Hwasin Bucket' |
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astalkulo   United States. November 12 2008 02:37. Posts 264 | Profile |
| Bisu and Free on one side of the brackets one has to lose it just sucks, it's time for a bonja protoss so bisu needs to win in the other hand Free winning the whole thing would be great for him and his team. Woongjin star MSL champion!!! I hate to see one of these player lose but I'll leave it to destiny and the best player to win!!! |
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GeneralStan   United States. November 12 2008 02:49. Posts 2358 | Profile Blog |
Fantastic write up! I laughed, I cried, I laughed some more!
I'm looking forward to projective vomiting to some great PvP! |
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kawoq   Guatemala. November 12 2008 02:52. Posts 171 | Profile |
Nice reading... I love your "Detailed Semifinals Map Balance Analysis", Iwonder where you guys find all the time you need to make this amazing articles.. I really do... show me how cause to be hones I need some extra hours per day... ^_^
I think Free is going to win this... |
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CTStalker   Canada. November 12 2008 02:59. Posts 5931 | Profile Blog |
| good writeup. i agree, it's really a shame free and bisu have to meet in the semis. it's going to make the finals anti-climactic, but ah well. really look forward to the free bisu games |
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Equinox_kr   Korea (South). November 12 2008 03:11. Posts 7024 | Profile Blog |
| How did you decide if the maps were balanced or not? Amazing! |
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disciple   Bulgaria. November 12 2008 03:16. Posts 4549 | Profile Blog |
| I think free has the upper hand in the semis just because Bisu played a lot of PvP this season, which is plenty of scouting info about his game. I bet free is studying the specifics of bisus PvP and searching for the best counters having in mind the maps. On the other hand Bisu must just focus on his 1 base gate-robo builds and walkover free. I think Bisu has the best reaver micro in the scene right now by a huge margin |
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-orb-   United States. November 12 2008 03:22. Posts 2938 | Profile Blog |
| Lol drinking game! Awesome |
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capek   United States. November 12 2008 03:49. Posts 585 | Profile |
| no mention of bisu's epic scouts? |
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GinNtoniC   Sweden. November 12 2008 03:52. Posts 2034 | Profile Blog |
bwahahaha, fantastic idea for a drinking game. I might just get all these ingredients, call a remotely starcraft-interested friend over and have a blast! 
Lots of love for this one! |
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Centric   United States. November 12 2008 03:58. Posts 1907 | Profile |
| Your map analysis was mind-blowing. |
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Fontong   United States. November 12 2008 04:00. Posts 4805 | Profile Blog |
On November 12 2008 03:11 Equinox_kr wrote: How did you decide if the maps were balanced or not? Amazing!
This lol, it must have taken hours of detailed game analysis. |
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BaltA   Norway. November 12 2008 04:02. Posts 156 | Profile Blog |
If someone follow that recepie, they will not only get drunk. But they'll get so wasted, that they will not be able to watch 3rd game  |
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RoieTRS   United States. November 12 2008 04:03. Posts 1023 | Profile Blog |
Screw 3 games. I'd get drunk in the first 2 minutes. |
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baubo   China. November 12 2008 04:04. Posts 1843 | Profile |
I'm just hoping for some quick games. Hopefully a ton of cheeses and all players showing off their micro. It's REALLY going to suck if things boil down to whose scarabs are less retarded.
Rooting for Jangbi and Free. Jangbi because I think he has a chance to join in as a top protoss player(much more so than Kal), and Free because he and the Stars are a really good cinderella team. |
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KOFgokuon   United States. November 12 2008 04:27. Posts 8007 | Profile Blog |
| make it a bisu 3-0 and a jangbi 3-0 so i don't have to watch 10 pvp games |
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Magic84   Russian Federation. November 12 2008 04:32. Posts 1182 | Profile |
| imagine 3-2, 3-2 in semis and 3-2 in finals. 15 pvps w/o Stork and BeSt. |
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GHOSTCLAW   United States. November 12 2008 04:46. Posts 10240 | Profile Blog |
On November 12 2008 04:32 Magic84 wrote: imagine 3-2, 3-2 in semis and 3-2 in finals. 15 pvps w/o Stork and BeSt.
at least we have bisu free in some of them. |
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[DUF]MethodMan   Germany. November 12 2008 04:48. Posts 584 | Profile | |
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Pyrthas   United States. November 12 2008 04:49. Posts 872 | Profile |
| I really hope Free wins this thing. It's about time he got a title. |
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CDRdude   United States. November 12 2008 04:52. Posts 4347 | Profile Blog |
| A friend of mine who lurks here pointed out to me that Medusa is actually positionally imbalanced in drop-type games, especially PvP. For example, the 3:00 position will have an advantage over the 7:00 position, because the ridge around the base at 7 is facing the base at 3, so that the person at 3 can easily fly his shuttle into 7's main, and have a greater chance of remaining undetected. The person at 7 would have to fly extra distance in order to come in from the ridge, and maintain surprise. Does that make any sense? Anyway, I think that Medusa is positionally imbalanced in PvP in favor of whoever spawns counterclockwise of the other person. |
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OmgIRok   Taiwan. November 12 2008 05:00. Posts 1611 | Profile Blog |
Can someone post a link of Free's pimpest play?
Nvm, holy fuck Free's micro is godlikeLast edit: 2008-11-12 05:03:47 |
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Kizlyk   Ukraine. November 12 2008 05:12. Posts 63 | Profile |
| Hotbid's reviews are the best ^^ |
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Kashll   United States. November 12 2008 05:15. Posts 73 | Profile |
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Geo.Rion   Romania. November 12 2008 05:28. Posts 2078 | Profile Blog |
Bisu moved in, and the marines imitated their master: they danced around, failed to kill anything, and eventually died to Protoss units.
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Capuano   United States. November 12 2008 05:47. Posts 28 | Profile |
| Awesome writeup. I laughed pretty hard at the drinking game. |
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imperfect   Canada. November 12 2008 05:55. Posts 1037 | Profile Blog |
Free vs Bisu..
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words cannot express the sadness i feel right now. well it comes pretty close to anytime losing to nada in osl. and that was the saddest day of sc progaming for me. |
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Titusmaster6   United States. November 12 2008 06:06. Posts 2151 | Profile Blog |
| "Hwasin Bucket" haha that is genius, I'm never gonna let that die. Now I'm actually looking forward to the 2 semis. Great writeup as ususal thx hb. |
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Badjas   Netherlands. November 12 2008 06:14. Posts 305 | Profile |
| Cool writeup.. I laughed frantically when I read your detailed map analysis.. astonishingly complete and well rounded. |
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No_eL   Chile. November 12 2008 06:22. Posts 695 | Profile |
the PVP drinking game its the best we can do... ?? NO!! , turn off the tv, call a girl, drink with her and read the results later...
most boring tournament ever! |
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thunk   United States. November 12 2008 06:34. Posts 5608 | Profile Blog |
On November 12 2008 03:16 disciple wrote: I think free has the upper hand in the semis just because Bisu played a lot of PvP this season, which is plenty of scouting info about his game. I bet free is studying the specifics of bisus PvP and searching for the best counters having in mind the maps. On the other hand Bisu must just focus on his 1 base gate-robo builds and walkover free. I think Bisu has the best reaver micro in the scene right now by a huge margin
Bisu better learn from Best and change up what builds he uses, even if they're sub-par and have been "assigned" a statistically lower chance of winning on certain maps. |
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Cheerio   Ukraine. November 12 2008 06:36. Posts 301 | Profile |
Good read.
Only a minor correction. Quote: "When I looked at this MSL's P-heavy Ro16 roster"
It was not P-heavy. 16/3=5,33. There were 6 protoss players, only 0,66 above the average. There were 7 terrans on the contrary. |
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Hot_Bid   Braavos. November 12 2008 06:39. Posts 22075 | Profile Blog |
On November 12 2008 06:36 Cheerio wrote: Good read.
Only a minor correction. Quote: "When I looked at this MSL's P-heavy Ro16 roster"
It was not P-heavy. 16/3=5,33. There were 6 protoss players, only 0,66 above the average. There were 7 terrans on the contrary.
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defenestrate   United States. November 12 2008 07:08. Posts 496 | Profile Blog |
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Dazed_Spy   Canada. November 12 2008 07:11. Posts 1443 | Profile Blog |
| free aint very good pvp, hes going to lose 0-3, or at best, 1-3. Sorry lol. |
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d(O.o)a   Canada. November 12 2008 07:14. Posts 2741 | Profile Blog |
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Tensai176   Canada. November 12 2008 07:21. Posts 1932 | Profile Blog |
Very nice article! I enjoyed it alot!
Cept you left out "SANDWHITTCHEEE" Which is definitely going to be a classic haha. |
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Mikilatov   United States. November 12 2008 07:37. Posts 1938 | Profile Blog |
| Jesus christ that drinking game is hilarious. I'm kind of bummed at this MSL's conclusion. It seems to me that whoever wins out of Bisu and free is going to sweep the finals quite easily. |
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h3r1n6   Germany. November 12 2008 07:49. Posts 606 | Profile Blog |
The mistery shot for each fired scarab is what will make you drunk, the rest is easy . |
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Mastermind   Canada. November 12 2008 08:01. Posts 2945 | Profile Blog |
Great write up. I laughed several times. That drinking game will end with a face in the Hwasin bucket guaranteed. Bisu is going to win his semi and the final. |
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Piy   United Kingdom. November 12 2008 08:01. Posts 1078 | Profile Blog |
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number1gog   United States. November 12 2008 08:01. Posts 448 | Profile |
| Great writeup, great drinking game. Jangbi/Bisu finals plz! |
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KizZBG   UK mofo. November 12 2008 08:02. Posts 7037 | Profile Blog |
| looooooool @ drinking game |
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dongfeng   November 12 2008 08:08. Posts 567 | Profile Blog |
lol hwasin bucket
interesting drinking game |
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IntoTheWow   Argentina. November 12 2008 08:12. Posts 25188 | Profile Blog | |
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SiegeTanksandBlueGoo   China. November 12 2008 08:32. Posts 678 | Profile Blog |
Balanced maps? WOW.
Bisu is gonna win this. I can feel it. |
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fnaticAugury   United States. November 12 2008 09:12. Posts 376 | Profile Blog |
| Nice write up.. hopefully your predictions come true, really hoping Bisu knocks out free :D |
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meegrean   Thailand. November 12 2008 09:35. Posts 2150 | Profile |
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prOxi.swAMi   Australia. November 12 2008 10:01. Posts 1941 | Profile Blog |
Fuck. Mass PvP is GAY! Am cheering for Bisu though.
Nice writeup. |
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HaXxorIzed   Australia. November 12 2008 10:42. Posts 3811 | Profile Blog |
| Bisu/Free should be a very interesting game to watch. |
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R3condite   Korea (South). November 12 2008 10:42. Posts 1536 | Profile |
ok ok ok
wat do u mean by the HAKKKKKKKK sound??
I mean i'm korean and I understand every word they say but i dont' particularly remember hearing that sound
maybe it's cus im korean? and it's part of the cultural language so i just miss it cus it's natural?
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On November 12 2008 07:21 Tensai176 wrote: Very nice article! I enjoyed it alot!
Cept you left out "SANDWHITTCHEEE" Which is definitely going to be a classic haha.
maybe u can make a cut out little hors d'oeuvres of sandwiches and eat a piece whenever they yell thatLast edit: 2008-11-12 10:46:30 |
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ish0wstopper   Korea (South). November 12 2008 10:55. Posts 342 | Profile Blog |
god FUCKING damnit
i cant believe fbh came with the worst unit control of all time losing to just 3 goons and a zeal with a tank and 7 marines? understandable
not even damaging past shield? unacceptable
i cant believe fbh tried to fd the 3rd game after failing so badly the first time and still managed to mess up the micro again
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Hot_Bid   Braavos. November 12 2008 10:57. Posts 22075 | Profile Blog |
i agree, but it wasn't an FD third game, FBH went 2 fac
FD wouldn't have put his expo as behind as he was, but it wouldn't have had as many speed vultures either |
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.risingdragoon   United States. November 12 2008 11:00. Posts 1848 | Profile |
It's funny calling it fd when he had no vultures for mines and 7 rines.
there was no point in getting that many meatshield ines when ur only damage dealer is 1 tank, they get shredded by goon micro like beef.Last edit: 2008-11-12 11:02:58 |
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GHOSTCLAW   United States. November 12 2008 12:56. Posts 10240 | Profile Blog |
On November 12 2008 11:00 .risingdragoon wrote: It's funny calling it fd when he had no vultures for mines and 7 rines.
there was no point in getting that many meatshield ines when ur only damage dealer is 1 tank, they get shredded by goon micro like beef.
depends how good the goon micro is. Remember that you're doing 35 focused dps with the marines, which helps a lot. |
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Hot_Bid   Braavos. November 12 2008 14:19. Posts 22075 | Profile Blog |
On November 12 2008 14:11 saitox wrote: date of the semifinals ?
calendar on the right |
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Roxen000   Australia. November 12 2008 14:45. Posts 1037 | Profile Blog |
Awesome write up!
I may actually try the drinking game, although if there is 5 games it could be troublesome.
It sucks so much that Free or Bisu will have to lose =/ Free vs Bisu should be the final! =O |
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.risingdragoon   United States. November 12 2008 16:16. Posts 1848 | Profile |
On November 12 2008 12:56 waterGHOSTCLAWdragon wrote: Show nested quote +On November 12 2008 11:00 .risingdragoon wrote: It's funny calling it fd when he had no vultures for mines and 7 rines.
there was no point in getting that many meatshield ines when ur only damage dealer is 1 tank, they get shredded by goon micro like beef.
depends how good the goon micro is. Remember that you're doing 35 focused dps with the marines, which helps a lot.
What? Every P under the sun can dragoon micro against marines. That's every single person who's ever seriously played protoss since 98. It's that easy when your unit outranges his unit.
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clazziquai   November 12 2008 16:33. Posts 6685 | Profile Blog |
PvP is fun, but I really really really wanted to see a TvP semifinals as well as a TvP finals.
Oh well I've gotten over that fact now and am hoping for some good matches. I hope that Free will take the title. He so deserves it. Go FREE! |
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Malongo   Chile. November 12 2008 17:13. Posts 2484 | Profile Blog |
| Nice article, and good game analysis. bisu vs free is going to be a big clash, frees pvp is such a big interrogation mark, but hes so on fire i agree that this is the real finals. Maybe we should ask whos practicing with Much. About those crazy korean sounds that commentators do what does something like curusho means? They say this word about 20 times/game and its always like one of the commentators explains something and the other 2 always answer curusho, like saying "of course" or "i see" please some korean explain it. thanks in advance. |
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Velr   Switzerland. November 12 2008 17:17. Posts 1223 | Profile |
Am i the only one that thinks watching PvP is more exciting than PvT?
nice wrietup.
btw: beer is not a shot... |
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Pungyeon   Denmark. November 12 2008 17:48. Posts 37 | Profile |
TITY SAMBOOO!!!!
*passes out* |
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x89titan   Philippines. November 12 2008 17:57. Posts 1128 | Profile Blog |
| bisus gona follow the path savior took. 3 msls THEN an osl. then massive slump. |
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Hot_Bid   Braavos. November 12 2008 18:32. Posts 22075 | Profile Blog |
On November 12 2008 17:17 Velr wrote: Am i the only one that thinks watching PvP is more exciting than PvT?
nice wrietup.
btw: beer is not a shot...
you can still take shots of beer though, plenty of drinking games in the US have this |
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baubo   China. November 12 2008 18:42. Posts 1843 | Profile |
On November 12 2008 18:32 Hot_Bid wrote: Show nested quote +On November 12 2008 17:17 Velr wrote: Am i the only one that thinks watching PvP is more exciting than PvT?
nice wrietup.
btw: beer is not a shot...
you can still take shots of beer though, plenty of drinking games in the US have this
I always got the impression that beer cannot be measured in any unit smaller than a mug or a bottle. I would say the friends I know who drink can all easily go through this drinking game no problem if you changed "a shot of beer" to "a bottle of beer". |
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Hot_Bid   Braavos. November 12 2008 19:24. Posts 22075 | Profile Blog |
On November 12 2008 18:42 baubo wrote: Show nested quote +On November 12 2008 18:32 Hot_Bid wrote: On November 12 2008 17:17 Velr wrote: Am i the only one that thinks watching PvP is more exciting than PvT?
nice wrietup.
btw: beer is not a shot...
you can still take shots of beer though, plenty of drinking games in the US have this
I always got the impression that beer cannot be measured in any unit smaller than a mug or a bottle. I would say the friends I know who drink can all easily go through this drinking game no problem if you changed "a shot of beer" to "a bottle of beer".
Wikipedia disagrees!
"Power Hour, with its variant Centurion (or Century Club), is a type of drinking game where every player drinks one shot of beer every minute. Each shot contains 1.5 fluid ounces (US) (45ml), for a total of 90 fl. oz. (2.66 litres, 4.68 Imperial pints) of consumption during the power hour. For purposes of blood alcohol content, this amount of beer is equivalent to 7.5 drinks. In the Centurion variant, beer shots are drunk one per minute for 100 minutes, with a shot size of 35ml, totaling 3.5 litres, 6.16 Imperial pints, or 9.9 drinks. All players that successfully complete the total number of shots without retiring are winners. The game is simple and may appear easy, but players often have difficulty completing it. The rate of alcohol consumption necessary to win either form of this game can depend on weight and other factors. It is the speed of the consumption of alcohol that makes the drunken feeling feel so strong!"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_Hour
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Ilikestarcraft   United States. November 12 2008 19:40. Posts 11493 | Profile |
On November 12 2008 17:17 Velr wrote: Am i the only one that thinks watching PvP is more exciting than PvT?
nice wrietup.
btw: beer is not a shot...
yes u are |
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baubo   China. November 12 2008 19:58. Posts 1843 | Profile |
On November 12 2008 19:24 Hot_Bid wrote: Show nested quote +On November 12 2008 18:42 baubo wrote: On November 12 2008 18:32 Hot_Bid wrote: On November 12 2008 17:17 Velr wrote: Am i the only one that thinks watching PvP is more exciting than PvT?
nice wrietup.
btw: beer is not a shot...
you can still take shots of beer though, plenty of drinking games in the US have this
I always got the impression that beer cannot be measured in any unit smaller than a mug or a bottle. I would say the friends I know who drink can all easily go through this drinking game no problem if you changed "a shot of beer" to "a bottle of beer".
Wikipedia disagrees! Show nested quote +"Power Hour, with its variant Centurion (or Century Club), is a type of drinking game where every player drinks one shot of beer every minute. Each shot contains 1.5 fluid ounces (US) (45ml), for a total of 90 fl. oz. (2.66 litres, 4.68 Imperial pints) of consumption during the power hour. For purposes of blood alcohol content, this amount of beer is equivalent to 7.5 drinks. In the Centurion variant, beer shots are drunk one per minute for 100 minutes, with a shot size of 35ml, totaling 3.5 litres, 6.16 Imperial pints, or 9.9 drinks. All players that successfully complete the total number of shots without retiring are winners. The game is simple and may appear easy, but players often have difficulty completing it. The rate of alcohol consumption necessary to win either form of this game can depend on weight and other factors. It is the speed of the consumption of alcohol that makes the drunken feeling feel so strong!"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_Hour
Well I'll be damned. I need to ask my alcoholic friends about this. I don't drink personally, so I can't really comment on just how difficult it is to accomplish. |
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SilverSkyLark   Philippines. November 12 2008 20:14. Posts 5109 | Profile Blog |
| lol at PvP drinking game, hahahha. |
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pyrogenetix   China. November 12 2008 20:31. Posts 3703 | Profile Blog |
rofl man its a good time for the protoss =D
WHOS UP FOR THE DRINKING GAME |
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Velr   Switzerland. November 12 2008 21:05. Posts 1223 | Profile |
You don't drink beer in Shots... I mean, you need more beer to not dehydrate while watching these PvP's between the shots .
Hm... Our favorite drinking games look like this:
The efficient/simple one: Everyone gets a card, highest one has to drink a Shot (White Vodka or stronger)... Repeat until your out of alcohol.
The Tactical one (this one is evil and plays to your lowest instincts ): You got one giant mug (~5 dl at least, 1l+ is better) of beer going round and a Shot in the middle (make it ugly stuff). You can drink as much beer as you want and then pass the Mug on. Whenever the beer is empty the person sitting before you in row has to drink the shot. The beer gets refilled. Ends when the first one spits or there is no more beer .
The fun one: (notice, we are not native english speaking, none of us is and we only got 2 years of english at school):
You have a beer in front of you (3 dl).
Step 1: Say: "Hello, my name is Captain Jack and this is my first drink this evening." Then: Tap your Mug with 1 finger on top/side and the table on Top/Bottom. Grab your Mug with 2 fingers. Take 1 gulp. Put the Beer back on the table.
Step 2: Say: "Hello, my name is Captain Jack and this is my second drink this evening." Tap your Mug with 2 finges on top/side and the table on Top/Bottom. Grab your Mug with 3 fingers. Take 2 gulps. Put the Beer back on the table twice.
Step 23 Say: "Hello, my name is Captain Jack and this is my third and last drink this evening." Tap your Mug with 3 finges on top/side and the table on Top/Bottom. Grab your Mug with 4 fingers. Take 3 gulps. Put the Beer back on the table, three times. Beer has to be empty. Made any mistake during all 3 Steps? Beer gets filled up instantly and you have to start over.
If you are speaking english as your mother tongue you could try it in german (Hallo, mein Name ist Kapitän Hans und das ist mein erstes Getränk heute Abend /...zweites Getränk heute Abend / ...drittes und letztes Getränk heute abend).
It's really pure awesome fun . Even if you do it perfectly you drink a 3dl Beer in about 1 minute... And we had people playing this for 20 minutes because they just couldn't do it.
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amorpheus   Bulgaria. November 13 2008 01:08. Posts 1549 | Profile |
Entertaining read, thanks I think you're underestimating Kal, and to my knowledge players tend to practice with guys from other teams as well. (e.g. Stork in the interview after taking the OSL thanked lots of players from other teams for practicing with him, incl. Kal btw) |
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Hot_Bid   Braavos. November 13 2008 01:59. Posts 22075 | Profile Blog |
On November 13 2008 01:08 amorpheus wrote: Entertaining read, thanks I think you're underestimating Kal, and to my knowledge players tend to practice with guys from other teams as well. (e.g. Stork in the interview after taking the OSL thanked lots of players from other teams for practicing with him, incl. Kal btw)
yeah i admit i don't know much about cross team friendships and stuff (except that every non SKT protoss practiced with Stork in prep for his match with Best) |
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NiGoL   Sweden. November 13 2008 02:37. Posts 726 | Profile |
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ShoGunBo   Romania. November 14 2008 23:15. Posts 40 | Profile |
| Protoss era!! It was about time!! protoss its the most "poor" race when comes 2 titles! let's be frank who is the best protoss of all time? garimto with 2 osl in 2000&2001 or so?? or bisu with 2 msl?? or its "the silver one" (stork) with only 1 osl and a bunch of 2nd??........they don't even come close 2 boxer, savior or nada.. even flash or jaedong are greather legends than the best protoss ever...maybe if bisu won a 3rd and 4th msl...maybe then...so GOGO Bisu 4 the 3rd!!! |
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