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[MSL] Club Protoss

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  Hot_Bid   Braavos. November 12 2008 01:25. Posts 22075Profile Blog 
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Club Protoss
Round of 8 Week Two Recap
Semifinals Preview


Whenever there's a chance for an all same race semifinals, usually at least one player of another race gets hot and ruins the mirror party. When I looked at this MSL's Z and T roster, I believed that one of Jaedong, FBH, Hwasin, or ForGG would catch fire and advance to the semis. Unfortunately, the bracket was heavily loaded on one side, and the two Protoss players with the most raw potential (Bisu and Free) were suddenly playing lights-out every game. If these two are "on" for any particular match, nobody was beating them. Jaedong or FBH would have easily advanced further in the other half of the draw, but instead were bounced out early.

On the surface, these semifinals are horrible. Not only are there no Terrans or Zergs, there's also no Stork, no Best, and no Pusan. There isn't even BackHo to add the laugh-at-him entertainment value. In addition, one semifinal (Bisu-Free) contains by far the two best players in the MSL. PvP isn't bad relative to the other matchups, but by the eleventh game of rock-paper-scissors build order wins or no rush 15 minute max out snorefests, you will want to rip your hair out.

If you're upset about this, fear not, for your trusty Club Day Online MSL news poster has come up with a drinking game tailored to PvP to get you through these two series. But before we get to that and the previews of the semis, let's recap the two quarterfinal series that happened in week two.



Dance Dance Revolutionist
(P)Bisu 3-0 (T)firebathero

After receiving weeks of hype, an excited buzz around his reinvented TvP, and a brand new TL fan club, FireBatHero flamed out in disastrous fashion the instant he had to play a competent P in a Bo5. Now the FBH fanboys are fleeing his bandwagon as if it was the Titanic. I must admit, while I predicted Bisu to win, I thought FBH would put up more of a fight. So much hype, yet crushed in the Round of 8. I can't say I'm surprised though, as FBH has never matched his flair and theatrics with actual results. In case you can't tell, I typed this last paragraph with a huge smug banana grin.

Game One @ Medusa
+ Show Spoiler [Show Summary] +


Game Two @ Destination
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Game Three @ Athena 2
+ Show Spoiler [Show Summary] +


When FBH typed out, he basically sprinted out of the booth. I doubt he will shed any tears of agony. If we could see FBH's face, it would probably just have a glassy-eyed expression of shock, as if he'd be hit by a truck. Bisu, on the other hand, stifled a yawn. When he is playing well, Bisu 3-0's people. That's just what happens. It doesn't matter who is standing in his way.



Mr. Dragoon
(P)free 3-0 (T)NaDa

Free's strength is that his basic unit micro is just a level above everyone else. If Bisu's unit is the DT, Free's unit is the dragoon. His dragoons are special. They move smoothly, live longer, and somehow never glitch. Everyone remembers that pimpest plays video of Free minesweeping with dragoons only on Longinus II. His unit control is so good that two of the three games this series never make it past midgame. In the Bisu-FBH series, you kind of felt that Bisu was playing well while FBH had an off day, and if they met again the series might have been closer. But watching the Free-Nada series was different. Nada didn't stand a chance. He wasn't even remotely close in any of the three games.

Game One @ Medusa
+ Show Spoiler [Show Summary] +


Game Two @ Destination
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Game Three @ Athena 2
+ Show Spoiler [Show Summary] +


This was a match between an ordinary player with extraordinary accomplishments and an extraordinary player with ordinary accomplishments. It played out exactly as it should. The younger, sharper, rising player won out over the old veteran clinging to past glory. However, the series showed more than that. Free played flawlessly. I don't use that word lightly. Besides running into a few mines late game, I cannot see how he could have played this series any better. Free didn't gamble with 14 nexus or 1-gate blind expand or proxy DT. He just executed safe, reliable strategies with surgical precision, pushing every edge and leaving no holes.

It's a huge compliment to say someone's play looks clean, and these three games by Free were scary clean. We're talking pine smelling, cancer-curing, wipe out all bacteria clean.



PvP Drinking Game

What you need:
  • Ten beers, your choice of brand
  • Bottle of hard liquor, your choice of brand
  • Bottle of generic champagne
  • Bottle of non-alcoholic stuff, can be water or soda, etc.
  • Ten shot glasses
  • Electrical tape
  • A bucket

Fill one shot glass with each of the drinks listed above. You should use four of the shot glasses this way.

Next, cover the outside of the remaining six shot glasses with electrical tape. Fill two with liquor, two with beer, one with champagne, and one with your non-alcoholic drink. Try to move them around so you don't remember which is which. The tape will prevent you from knowing. These six are your "mystery" shots.

Take a shot of beer:
  • For each probe lost in zealot harass during the first two minutes
  • For every successful reaver or storm drop
  • If one commentator yells a unit name, and the other commentator's contribution is solely some version of "YAAAAAAA"

Take a shot of hard alcohol:
  • For each proxied building
  • For each dark templar made
  • If the commentators make that HAKKKKKKKKKKKK sound

Take a shot of champagne:
  • After each game completes
  • For every shot of a hot girl in the crowd
  • If you see the Titty Sambo commercial

Take a "mystery" shot:
  • At the start of each game
  • If a player attempts an all-in strategy
  • Every time a reaver fires a scarab
  • Every large battle past the ten minute mark

This should get you sufficiently drunk even if its only three games. The bucket (affectionately named "Hwasin Bucket") is insurance just in case you are very unlucky with the mystery shots.



Semifinals Preview

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You guys are in for a treat. I didn't do this earlier for the other rounds, but since this is the semifinals, I'll put in the extra effort:

Detailed Semifinals Map Balance Analysis
+ Show Spoiler [Show Map Balance] +

Amazing analysis, I know. Thanks.



(P)Kal vs (P)JangBi
+ Show Spoiler [Show Stats] +

This semifinal sucks, mainly because of what could have been. Virtually any of the other players (ForGG, Stork, Iris, Type-b, Yarnc, etc) would make a cooler semi, with more interesting storylines and certainly more diverse matchups. Instead we have a boring non-Stork Samsung Protoss when we'd rather have a Zerg, and his spectacularly mediocre opponent is only in the semis only because Stork had to practice for the OSL Finals.

Kal beat Stork 3-2, but Jangbi's recent PvP results have been strong as well. But factor in the practice partners (Stork for Jangbi, Yoonjoong/BestGod for Kal) and that Jangbi is streaking (13-2 overall in the last three months) and it seems Jangbi has the edge. But Kal won the head to head Bo5 3-2 between these two back in GomTV4. Kal is also strangely successful against Stork (6-3). It's going to be close, but I predict a well practiced, mechanically stronger Jangbi to prevail, 3-2.



(P)Bisu vs (P)free
+ Show Spoiler [Show Stats] +

This semi really should be the finals. Both these players have so much momentum that it's a shame that one of them has to lose. This series will almost certainly be played at a dramatically higher level than the other semifinal. I can't think of reasons to choose one player over the other, except the fact that Bisu's been to the semis far more times than Free has. This experience advantage should be worth at least one game in series with evenly matched opponents, so I'm predicting Bisu 3-2.



Next week, the Club Day Online MSL concludes. We know it will be a Protoss champion, but will it be a first time winner in Kal Jangbi and Free, or will Bonjwa Bisu make an appearance? See you next week.
Last edit: 2009-01-23 14:26:19
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  GrandInquisitor  *   New York City. November 12 2008 02:22. Posts 7690Profile Blog 
When I die of alcohol poisoning my estate is going to point to this newspost as the direct and proximate cause of my death.
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  IrrasO   United States. November 12 2008 02:26. Posts 135Profile 
nice write-up, but how could you not mention the humiliation scouts?
Last edit: 2008-11-12 02:26:46
 
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  TarsTarkas   United States. November 12 2008 02:35. Posts 143Profile 
I <3 Hot_Bid

Excellent read, especially enjoyed the 'Hwasin Bucket'
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  astalkulo   United States. November 12 2008 02:37. Posts 264Profile 
Bisu and Free on one side of the brackets one has to lose it just sucks, it's time for a bonja protoss so bisu needs to win in the other hand Free winning the whole thing would be great for him and his team. Woongjin star MSL champion!!! I hate to see one of these player lose but I'll leave it to destiny and the best player to win!!!
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  GeneralStan   United States. November 12 2008 02:49. Posts 2358Profile Blog 
Fantastic write up! I laughed, I cried, I laughed some more!

I'm looking forward to projective vomiting to some great PvP!
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  kawoq   Guatemala. November 12 2008 02:52. Posts 171Profile 
Nice reading... I love your "Detailed Semifinals Map Balance Analysis", Iwonder where you guys find all the time you need to make this amazing articles.. I really do... show me how cause to be hones I need some extra hours per day... ^_^

I think Free is going to win this...
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  Hyperionnn   Turkey. November 12 2008 02:54. Posts 3485Profile Blog 
Fantastic post!

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  SayaSP   Laos. November 12 2008 02:55. Posts 4906Profile Blog 
Hot_Bid is too strong
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  CTStalker   Canada. November 12 2008 02:59. Posts 5931Profile Blog 
good writeup. i agree, it's really a shame free and bisu have to meet in the semis. it's going to make the finals anti-climactic, but ah well. really look forward to the free bisu games
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  Equinox_kr   Korea (South). November 12 2008 03:11. Posts 7024Profile Blog 
How did you decide if the maps were balanced or not? Amazing!
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  disciple   Bulgaria. November 12 2008 03:16. Posts 4549Profile Blog 
I think free has the upper hand in the semis just because Bisu played a lot of PvP this season, which is plenty of scouting info about his game. I bet free is studying the specifics of bisus PvP and searching for the best counters having in mind the maps. On the other hand Bisu must just focus on his 1 base gate-robo builds and walkover free. I think Bisu has the best reaver micro in the scene right now by a huge margin
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  -orb-   United States. November 12 2008 03:22. Posts 2938Profile Blog 
Lol drinking game! Awesome
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  capek   United States. November 12 2008 03:49. Posts 585Profile 
no mention of bisu's epic scouts?
 
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  GinNtoniC   Sweden. November 12 2008 03:52. Posts 2034Profile Blog 
bwahahaha, fantastic idea for a drinking game.
I might just get all these ingredients, call a remotely starcraft-interested friend over and have a blast!

Lots of love for this one!
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  Centric   United States. November 12 2008 03:58. Posts 1907Profile 
Your map analysis was mind-blowing.
Domination.
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  Fontong   United States. November 12 2008 04:00. Posts 4805Profile Blog 

On November 12 2008 03:11 Equinox_kr wrote:
How did you decide if the maps were balanced or not? Amazing!

This lol, it must have taken hours of detailed game analysis.
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  BaltA   Norway. November 12 2008 04:02. Posts 156Profile Blog 
If someone follow that recepie, they will not only get drunk. But they'll get so wasted, that they will not be able to watch 3rd game
 
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  RoieTRS   United States. November 12 2008 04:03. Posts 1023Profile Blog 
Screw 3 games.
I'd get drunk in the first 2 minutes.
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  baubo   China. November 12 2008 04:04. Posts 1843Profile 
I'm just hoping for some quick games. Hopefully a ton of cheeses and all players showing off their micro. It's REALLY going to suck if things boil down to whose scarabs are less retarded.

Rooting for Jangbi and Free. Jangbi because I think he has a chance to join in as a top protoss player(much more so than Kal), and Free because he and the Stars are a really good cinderella team.
Meh
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  ilovejonn   Canada. November 12 2008 04:16. Posts 1501Profile Blog 
lol nice drinking game
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  KOFgokuon   United States. November 12 2008 04:27. Posts 8007Profile Blog 
make it a bisu 3-0 and a jangbi 3-0 so i don't have to watch 10 pvp games
 
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  Magic84   Russian Federation. November 12 2008 04:32. Posts 1182Profile 
imagine 3-2, 3-2 in semis and 3-2 in finals. 15 pvps w/o Stork and BeSt.
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  GHOSTCLAW   United States. November 12 2008 04:46. Posts 10240Profile Blog 

On November 12 2008 04:32 Magic84 wrote:
imagine 3-2, 3-2 in semis and 3-2 in finals. 15 pvps w/o Stork and BeSt.


at least we have bisu free in some of them.
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  [DUF]MethodMan   Germany. November 12 2008 04:48. Posts 584Profile 
nice writeup
 
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  Pyrthas   United States. November 12 2008 04:49. Posts 872Profile 
I really hope Free wins this thing. It's about time he got a title.
 
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  CDRdude   United States. November 12 2008 04:52. Posts 4347Profile Blog 
A friend of mine who lurks here pointed out to me that Medusa is actually positionally imbalanced in drop-type games, especially PvP. For example, the 3:00 position will have an advantage over the 7:00 position, because the ridge around the base at 7 is facing the base at 3, so that the person at 3 can easily fly his shuttle into 7's main, and have a greater chance of remaining undetected. The person at 7 would have to fly extra distance in order to come in from the ridge, and maintain surprise. Does that make any sense? Anyway, I think that Medusa is positionally imbalanced in PvP in favor of whoever spawns counterclockwise of the other person.
Bisu is the true bonwja
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  OmgIRok   Taiwan. November 12 2008 05:00. Posts 1611Profile Blog 
Can someone post a link of Free's pimpest play?

Nvm, holy fuck Free's micro is godlike
Last edit: 2008-11-12 05:03:47
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  Kizlyk   Ukraine. November 12 2008 05:12. Posts 63Profile 
Hotbid's reviews are the best ^^
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  Kashll   United States. November 12 2008 05:15. Posts 73Profile 
II raelly LIkee tha PVvP Drinnkingg GammeE itt ISS FUN Goo O STorkk!
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  Geo.Rion   Romania. November 12 2008 05:28. Posts 2078Profile Blog 
Bisu moved in, and the marines imitated their master: they danced around, failed to kill anything, and eventually died to Protoss units.


priceless
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  Capuano   United States. November 12 2008 05:47. Posts 28Profile 
Awesome writeup. I laughed pretty hard at the drinking game.
 
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  imperfect   Canada. November 12 2008 05:55. Posts 1037Profile Blog 
Free vs Bisu..

T_T

words cannot express the sadness i feel right now. well it comes pretty close to anytime losing to nada in osl. and that was the saddest day of sc progaming for me.
blind bisu free and anytime fanboy.
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  Titusmaster6   United States. November 12 2008 06:06. Posts 2151Profile Blog 
"Hwasin Bucket" haha that is genius, I'm never gonna let that die. Now I'm actually looking forward to the 2 semis. Great writeup as ususal thx hb.
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  Badjas   Netherlands. November 12 2008 06:14. Posts 305Profile 
Cool writeup.. I laughed frantically when I read your detailed map analysis.. astonishingly complete and well rounded.
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  No_eL   Chile. November 12 2008 06:22. Posts 695Profile 
the PVP drinking game its the best we can do... ?? NO!! , turn off the tv, call a girl, drink with her and read the results later...

most boring tournament ever!
Beat after beat i will become stronger.
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  thunk   United States. November 12 2008 06:34. Posts 5608Profile Blog 

On November 12 2008 03:16 disciple wrote:
I think free has the upper hand in the semis just because Bisu played a lot of PvP this season, which is plenty of scouting info about his game. I bet free is studying the specifics of bisus PvP and searching for the best counters having in mind the maps. On the other hand Bisu must just focus on his 1 base gate-robo builds and walkover free. I think Bisu has the best reaver micro in the scene right now by a huge margin


Bisu better learn from Best and change up what builds he uses, even if they're sub-par and have been "assigned" a statistically lower chance of winning on certain maps.
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  Cheerio   Ukraine. November 12 2008 06:36. Posts 301Profile 
Good read.

Only a minor correction. Quote:
"When I looked at this MSL's P-heavy Ro16 roster"

It was not P-heavy. 16/3=5,33. There were 6 protoss players, only 0,66 above the average. There were 7 terrans on the contrary.
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  Hot_Bid   Braavos. November 12 2008 06:39. Posts 22075Profile Blog 

On November 12 2008 06:36 Cheerio wrote:
Good read.

Only a minor correction. Quote:
"When I looked at this MSL's P-heavy Ro16 roster"

It was not P-heavy. 16/3=5,33. There were 6 protoss players, only 0,66 above the average. There were 7 terrans on the contrary.

Fixed.
Last edit: 2008-11-12 06:40:48
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  538   Hungary. November 12 2008 07:05. Posts 1188Profile Blog 
Ok, that was it. After all this lurking, I had to register to tell you that this article, along with all your recent write-ups are so full of awesomeness, I cant even describe. Thanks.
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  defenestrate   United States. November 12 2008 07:08. Posts 496Profile Blog 
Oh man, the "Hwasin Bucket" was a stroke of genius.
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  Dazed_Spy   Canada. November 12 2008 07:11. Posts 1443Profile Blog 
free aint very good pvp, hes going to lose 0-3, or at best, 1-3. Sorry lol.
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  d(O.o)a   Canada. November 12 2008 07:14. Posts 2741Profile Blog 
Bisu will destroy free, he'll be practicing with BeSt and likely Stork/Much.
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  Tensai176   Canada. November 12 2008 07:21. Posts 1932Profile Blog 
Very nice article! I enjoyed it alot!

Cept you left out "SANDWHITTCHEEE"
Which is definitely going to be a classic haha.
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  Mikilatov   United States. November 12 2008 07:37. Posts 1938Profile Blog 
Jesus christ that drinking game is hilarious. I'm kind of bummed at this MSL's conclusion. It seems to me that whoever wins out of Bisu and free is going to sweep the finals quite easily.
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  h3r1n6   Germany. November 12 2008 07:49. Posts 606Profile Blog 
The mistery shot for each fired scarab is what will make you drunk, the rest is easy .
 
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  Mastermind   Canada. November 12 2008 08:01. Posts 2945Profile Blog 
Great write up. I laughed several times. That drinking game will end with a face in the Hwasin bucket guaranteed.
Bisu is going to win his semi and the final.
 
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  Piy   United Kingdom. November 12 2008 08:01. Posts 1078Profile Blog 
PvP drinking games...what better way to introduce unaffiliated students to Pro SC. Or alternatively get drunk by myself in my room and try and pick a fight with the Daum stream...
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  number1gog   United States. November 12 2008 08:01. Posts 448Profile 
Great writeup, great drinking game. Jangbi/Bisu finals plz!
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  KizZBG   UK mofo. November 12 2008 08:02. Posts 7037Profile Blog 
looooooool @ drinking game
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  dongfeng   November 12 2008 08:08. Posts 567Profile Blog 
lol hwasin bucket

interesting drinking game
 
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  IntoTheWow   Argentina. November 12 2008 08:12. Posts 25188Profile Blog 
titty sambo

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  SiegeTanksandBlueGoo   China. November 12 2008 08:32. Posts 678Profile Blog 
Balanced maps? WOW.

Bisu is gonna win this. I can feel it.
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  fnaticAugury   United States. November 12 2008 09:12. Posts 376Profile Blog 
Nice write up.. hopefully your predictions come true, really hoping Bisu knocks out free :D
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  meegrean   Thailand. November 12 2008 09:35. Posts 2150Profile 
The winner of Bisu vs Free will probably become the MSL champion. I hope it's Bisu
 
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  prOxi.swAMi   Australia. November 12 2008 10:01. Posts 1941Profile Blog 
Fuck. Mass PvP is GAY!
Am cheering for Bisu though.

Nice writeup.
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  HaXxorIzed   Australia. November 12 2008 10:42. Posts 3811Profile Blog 
Bisu/Free should be a very interesting game to watch.
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  R3condite   Korea (South). November 12 2008 10:42. Posts 1536Profile 
ok ok ok

wat do u mean by the HAKKKKKKKK sound??

I mean i'm korean and I understand every word they say but i dont' particularly remember hearing that sound

maybe it's cus im korean? and it's part of the cultural language so i just miss it cus it's natural?

EDIT:

On November 12 2008 07:21 Tensai176 wrote:
Very nice article! I enjoyed it alot!

Cept you left out "SANDWHITTCHEEE"
Which is definitely going to be a classic haha.


maybe u can make a cut out little hors d'oeuvres of sandwiches and eat a piece whenever they yell that
Last edit: 2008-11-12 10:46:30
ggyo...
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  ish0wstopper   Korea (South). November 12 2008 10:55. Posts 342Profile Blog 
god FUCKING damnit

i cant believe fbh came with the worst unit control of all time
losing to just 3 goons and a zeal with a tank and 7 marines?
understandable

not even damaging past shield?
unacceptable

i cant believe fbh tried to fd the 3rd game after failing so badly the first time and still managed to mess up the micro again

i expected so much more
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  Hot_Bid   Braavos. November 12 2008 10:57. Posts 22075Profile Blog 
i agree, but it wasn't an FD third game, FBH went 2 fac

FD wouldn't have put his expo as behind as he was, but it wouldn't have had as many speed vultures either
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  .risingdragoon   United States. November 12 2008 11:00. Posts 1848Profile 
It's funny calling it fd when he had no vultures for mines and 7 rines.

there was no point in getting that many meatshield ines when ur only damage dealer is 1 tank, they get shredded by goon micro like beef.
Last edit: 2008-11-12 11:02:58
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  GHOSTCLAW   United States. November 12 2008 12:56. Posts 10240Profile Blog 

On November 12 2008 11:00 .risingdragoon wrote:
It's funny calling it fd when he had no vultures for mines and 7 rines.

there was no point in getting that many meatshield ines when ur only damage dealer is 1 tank, they get shredded by goon micro like beef.


depends how good the goon micro is. Remember that you're doing 35 focused dps with the marines, which helps a lot.
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  saitox   Chile. November 12 2008 14:11. Posts 56Profile 
date of the semifinals ?
Mantoss !!!!!!!!!!
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  Hot_Bid   Braavos. November 12 2008 14:19. Posts 22075Profile Blog 

On November 12 2008 14:11 saitox wrote:
date of the semifinals ?

calendar on the right
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  Roxen000   Australia. November 12 2008 14:45. Posts 1037Profile Blog 
Awesome write up!

I may actually try the drinking game, although if there is 5 games it could be troublesome.

It sucks so much that Free or Bisu will have to lose =/ Free vs Bisu should be the final! =O
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  .risingdragoon   United States. November 12 2008 16:16. Posts 1848Profile 

On November 12 2008 12:56 waterGHOSTCLAWdragon wrote:

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depends how good the goon micro is. Remember that you're doing 35 focused dps with the marines, which helps a lot.

What? Every P under the sun can dragoon micro against marines. That's every single person who's ever seriously played protoss since 98. It's that easy when your unit outranges his unit.

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  NiGoL   Sweden. November 12 2008 16:24. Posts 726Profile 
Protoss Club!! :D
 
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  clazziquai   November 12 2008 16:33. Posts 6685Profile Blog 
PvP is fun, but I really really really wanted to see a TvP semifinals as well as a TvP finals.

Oh well I've gotten over that fact now and am hoping for some good matches.
I hope that Free will take the title.
He so deserves it.
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  Malongo   Chile. November 12 2008 17:13. Posts 2484Profile Blog 
Nice article, and good game analysis. bisu vs free is going to be a big clash, frees pvp is such a big interrogation mark, but hes so on fire i agree that this is the real finals. Maybe we should ask whos practicing with Much. About those crazy korean sounds that commentators do what does something like curusho means? They say this word about 20 times/game and its always like one of the commentators explains something and the other 2 always answer curusho, like saying "of course" or "i see" please some korean explain it. thanks in advance.
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  Velr   Switzerland. November 12 2008 17:17. Posts 1223Profile 
Am i the only one that thinks watching PvP is more exciting than PvT?

nice wrietup.

btw: beer is not a shot...
 
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  Pungyeon   Denmark. November 12 2008 17:48. Posts 37Profile 
TITY SAMBOOO!!!!

*passes out*
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  x89titan   Philippines. November 12 2008 17:57. Posts 1128Profile Blog 
bisus gona follow the path savior took. 3 msls THEN an osl. then massive slump.
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  Hot_Bid   Braavos. November 12 2008 18:32. Posts 22075Profile Blog 

On November 12 2008 17:17 Velr wrote:
Am i the only one that thinks watching PvP is more exciting than PvT?

nice wrietup.

btw: beer is not a shot...

you can still take shots of beer though, plenty of drinking games in the US have this
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  baubo   China. November 12 2008 18:42. Posts 1843Profile 

On November 12 2008 18:32 Hot_Bid wrote:

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you can still take shots of beer though, plenty of drinking games in the US have this


I always got the impression that beer cannot be measured in any unit smaller than a mug or a bottle. I would say the friends I know who drink can all easily go through this drinking game no problem if you changed "a shot of beer" to "a bottle of beer".
Meh
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  Hot_Bid   Braavos. November 12 2008 19:24. Posts 22075Profile Blog 

On November 12 2008 18:42 baubo wrote:

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I always got the impression that beer cannot be measured in any unit smaller than a mug or a bottle. I would say the friends I know who drink can all easily go through this drinking game no problem if you changed "a shot of beer" to "a bottle of beer".

Wikipedia disagrees!


"Power Hour, with its variant Centurion (or Century Club), is a type of drinking game where every player drinks one shot of beer every minute. Each shot contains 1.5 fluid ounces (US) (45ml), for a total of 90 fl. oz. (2.66 litres, 4.68 Imperial pints) of consumption during the power hour. For purposes of blood alcohol content, this amount of beer is equivalent to 7.5 drinks. In the Centurion variant, beer shots are drunk one per minute for 100 minutes, with a shot size of 35ml, totaling 3.5 litres, 6.16 Imperial pints, or 9.9 drinks. All players that successfully complete the total number of shots without retiring are winners. The game is simple and may appear easy, but players often have difficulty completing it. The rate of alcohol consumption necessary to win either form of this game can depend on weight and other factors. It is the speed of the consumption of alcohol that makes the drunken feeling feel so strong!"


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_Hour
Last edit: 2008-11-12 19:25:31
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  Ilikestarcraft   United States. November 12 2008 19:40. Posts 11493Profile 

On November 12 2008 17:17 Velr wrote:
Am i the only one that thinks watching PvP is more exciting than PvT?

nice wrietup.

btw: beer is not a shot...

yes u are
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  alffla   Hong Kong. November 12 2008 19:42. Posts 13083Profile Blog 
i love j00 hotbid<3
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  baubo   China. November 12 2008 19:58. Posts 1843Profile 

On November 12 2008 19:24 Hot_Bid wrote:

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Wikipedia disagrees!


Show nested quote +



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_Hour



Well I'll be damned. I need to ask my alcoholic friends about this. I don't drink personally, so I can't really comment on just how difficult it is to accomplish.
Meh
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  SilverSkyLark   Philippines. November 12 2008 20:14. Posts 5109Profile Blog 
lol at PvP drinking game, hahahha.
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  pyrogenetix   China. November 12 2008 20:31. Posts 3703Profile Blog 
rofl man its a good time for the protoss =D

WHOS UP FOR THE DRINKING GAME
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  Velr   Switzerland. November 12 2008 21:05. Posts 1223Profile 
You don't drink beer in Shots... I mean, you need more beer to not dehydrate while watching these PvP's between the shots .




Hm... Our favorite drinking games look like this:

The efficient/simple one:
Everyone gets a card, highest one has to drink a Shot (White Vodka or stronger)... Repeat until your out of alcohol.


The Tactical one (this one is evil and plays to your lowest instincts ):
You got one giant mug (~5 dl at least, 1l+ is better) of beer going round and a Shot in the middle (make it ugly stuff).
You can drink as much beer as you want and then pass the Mug on.
Whenever the beer is empty the person sitting before you in row has to drink the shot. The beer gets refilled.
Ends when the first one spits or there is no more beer .



The fun one:
(notice, we are not native english speaking, none of us is and we only got 2 years of english at school):

You have a beer in front of you (3 dl).

Step 1:
Say: "Hello, my name is Captain Jack and this is my first drink this evening."
Then:
Tap your Mug with 1 finger on top/side and the table on Top/Bottom.
Grab your Mug with 2 fingers.
Take 1 gulp.
Put the Beer back on the table.

Step 2:
Say: "Hello, my name is Captain Jack and this is my second drink this evening."
Tap your Mug with 2 finges on top/side and the table on Top/Bottom.
Grab your Mug with 3 fingers.
Take 2 gulps.
Put the Beer back on the table twice.

Step 23
Say: "Hello, my name is Captain Jack and this is my third and last drink this evening."
Tap your Mug with 3 finges on top/side and the table on Top/Bottom.
Grab your Mug with 4 fingers.
Take 3 gulps.
Put the Beer back on the table, three times.
Beer has to be empty.
Made any mistake during all 3 Steps? Beer gets filled up instantly and you have to start over.


If you are speaking english as your mother tongue you could try it in german (Hallo, mein Name ist Kapitän Hans und das ist mein erstes Getränk heute Abend /...zweites Getränk heute Abend / ...drittes und letztes Getränk heute abend).


It's really pure awesome fun . Even if you do it perfectly you drink a 3dl Beer in about 1 minute... And we had people playing this for 20 minutes because they just couldn't do it.


Hm.. going to make a tread about that.
 
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  amorpheus   Bulgaria. November 13 2008 01:08. Posts 1549Profile 
Entertaining read, thanks
I think you're underestimating Kal, and to my knowledge players tend to practice with guys from other teams as well.
(e.g. Stork in the interview after taking the OSL thanked lots of players from other teams for practicing with him, incl. Kal btw)
 
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  Hot_Bid   Braavos. November 13 2008 01:59. Posts 22075Profile Blog 

On November 13 2008 01:08 amorpheus wrote:
Entertaining read, thanks
I think you're underestimating Kal, and to my knowledge players tend to practice with guys from other teams as well.
(e.g. Stork in the interview after taking the OSL thanked lots of players from other teams for practicing with him, incl. Kal btw)

yeah i admit i don't know much about cross team friendships and stuff (except that every non SKT protoss practiced with Stork in prep for his match with Best)
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  NiGoL   Sweden. November 13 2008 02:37. Posts 726Profile 
btw i like the name "club protoss" sounds so professional
 
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  GHOSTCLAW   United States. November 13 2008 10:17. Posts 10240Profile Blog 

On November 13 2008 02:37 SassO wrote:
btw i like the name "club protoss" sounds so professional

Yes, but for the purposes of this msl, kind of depressing.
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  ambit!ous1   United States. November 13 2008 15:54. Posts 3619Profile 
<3 HotBid! thanks!
Birthplace : Yesan, Korea / Birthdate : November 3, 1989 / Height : 177cm / Weight : 68kg / Blood Type : O Team : SK Telecom1 ( ex MBC Game Hero ) / Race : Protoss / ID : Bisu[Shield]. \\\ " 김택용 " \\\
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  sib-pelle   Sweden. November 14 2008 01:34. Posts 29Profile 
Jangbi will DESTROY!
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  ShoGunBo   Romania. November 14 2008 23:15. Posts 40Profile 
Protoss era!! It was about time!! protoss its the most "poor" race when comes 2 titles! let's be frank who is the best protoss of all time? garimto with 2 osl in 2000&2001 or so?? or bisu with 2 msl?? or its "the silver one" (stork) with only 1 osl and a bunch of 2nd??........they don't even come close 2 boxer, savior or nada.. even flash or jaedong are greather legends than the best protoss ever...maybe if bisu won a 3rd and 4th msl...maybe then...so GOGO Bisu 4 the 3rd!!!
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  jhNz   Germany. November 15 2008 06:50. Posts 1785Profile Blog 
this bracket is soooo sexy! <3
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