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| Spitfire South Africa. May 01 2012 07:35. Posts 442 | Profile # |
Think people are being a bit harsh calling the so-called "shadow demon" a deus ex machina, considering we hardly know anything about Melissandre or what she did yet. George RR Martin seems too intelligent a writer to introduce something like that without there being a limitation or, more importantly, a price.
Now, what I do find a bit iffy though is all of Renly's men suddenly flocking to Stannis's banner. On the one hand they're both Baratheons and Stannis is a respected soldier apparently so I could see why other soldiers would flock to him. On the other hand, I got the impression people were supporting Renly because they very much didnt want someone like Stannis as king. I guess that doesnt really apply to the soldiers though. |
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| Elegy United States. May 01 2012 07:39. Posts 1515 | Profile Blog # |
On May 01 2012 07:35 Spitfire wrote:
Think people are being a bit harsh calling the so-called "shadow demon" a deus ex machina, considering we hardly know anything about Melissandre or what she did yet. George RR Martin seems too intelligent a writer to introduce something like that without there being a limitation or, more importantly, a price.
Now, what I do find a bit iffy though is all of Renly's men suddenly flocking to Stannis's banner. On the one hand they're both Baratheons and Stannis is a respected soldier apparently so I could see why other soldiers would flock to him. On the other hand, I got the impression people were supporting Renly because they very much didnt want someone like Stannis as king. I guess that doesnt really apply to the soldiers though.
There's little sense of patriotism or nationalism here, bannerman are going to fight for their lord and in the absence of their lord, another Baratheon with the strongest claim to the throne is a pretty good contender to throw your men and money behind
common soldiers until very late in human history wouldn't give a fuck who they fought for so long as they got paid lol |
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 Leth0 May 01 2012 07:40. Posts 856 | Profile # |
| Well they got no choice now TBH, The thing they all have in common is deposing the current king Jofferey. |
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| Tears.Of.The.Moon Slovenia. May 01 2012 07:42. Posts 709 | Profile # |
| I'm just wondering on which side are Riverlands , Vale and Dorn , these are the only three regions that i'm not completely sure? |
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| Zeon0 Austria. May 01 2012 07:45. Posts 2542 | Profile # |
| who was the masked woman who spoke to Jorah? |
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| moopie May 01 2012 07:45. Posts 12498 | Profile # |
On May 01 2012 07:42 Tears.Of.The.Moon wrote:
I'm just wondering on which side are Riverlands , Vale and Dorn , these are the only three regions that i'm not completely sure?
The Riverlands have rallied behind Robb. The Vale and Dorne have not taken sides (if you recall Lysa told Catelyn that she will not risk her Son's life by joining a rebellion). |
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| Spitfire South Africa. May 01 2012 07:46. Posts 442 | Profile # |
On May 01 2012 07:42 Tears.Of.The.Moon wrote:
I'm just wondering on which side are Riverlands , Vale and Dorn , these are the only three regions that i'm not completely sure?
Riverlands must be with the Starks surely, isnt that the realm of House Tully? |
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| nennx United States. May 01 2012 07:52. Posts 286 | Profile # |
| they do a bad job of showing it but most of the war between stark/lannister is in the riverlands (which is also were harrenhal is) |
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| Unholy_Prince May 01 2012 07:56. Posts 55 | Profile # |
On May 01 2012 07:45 Zeon0 wrote:
who was the masked woman who spoke to Jorah?
Here name is Quaithe, a Shadowbinder from Asshai (sic). She'll probably be explained more later, she's a prophet of sorts.
For those asking about regions:
![[image loading]](http://reelgoddess.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/westeros-map.jpg)
Most of Robb's fighting right now is going on in between the Riverlands and the West.
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| Zeon0 Austria. May 01 2012 07:57. Posts 2542 | Profile # |
| so she was in the books? cause i dont remember her at all. i guess my memory is a mess |
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 KwarK United Kingdom. May 01 2012 07:58. Posts 20545 | Profile Blog # |
On May 01 2012 07:45 Zeon0 wrote:
who was the masked woman who spoke to Jorah?
I'm not sure if they're going to answer it in the next episode or whether it's something that has been cut but if you want to look her up her name is Quaithe. |
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| Unholy_Prince May 01 2012 08:00. Posts 55 | Profile # |
On May 01 2012 07:57 Zeon0 wrote:
so she was in the books? cause i dont remember her at all. i guess my memory is a mess
She was in the books yea. |
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| Zeon0 Austria. May 01 2012 08:04. Posts 2542 | Profile # |
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| Tears.Of.The.Moon Slovenia. May 01 2012 08:11. Posts 709 | Profile # |
On May 01 2012 07:45 moopie wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 07:42 Tears.Of.The.Moon wrote:
I'm just wondering on which side are Riverlands , Vale and Dorn , these are the only three regions that i'm not completely sure?
The Riverlands have rallied behind Robb. The Vale and Dorne have not taken sides (if you recall Lysa told Catelyn that she will not risk her Son's life by joining a rebellion).
Thanks, i was quite unsure about the riverlands since if you wiki it you get Lysa Tully and Catelyn Tully , and they have quite different views, and it also said that Hoster Tully the house head was never shown in the series. |
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| Incognoto France. May 01 2012 08:12. Posts 1477 | Profile Blog # |
On May 01 2012 06:56 Abysus wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 06:44 Shichibukai wrote:
We all seem to agree on the North, Westerlands, Stormlands, the Vale and the Reach.
The Riverlands and the Iron Islands were ruled by the same king (from Harrenhal) when the Targaryens (Aegon the Conqueror) arrived, they count as 1 "kingdom".
Dorne also counts as one even though Aegon did not conquer it, so technically he only ruled six of the seven kingdoms until Dorne were absorbed 200 years later. With that you're at seven.
Zoom forward to present time, we now view the Riverlands and the Iron Islands as separate entities since they're ruled by two different houses (Greyjoy/Tully), and you also have the province known as the Crownlands (area surrounding King's Landing) which did not exist at the time of the unification. 7 original kingdoms, 9 present day districts.
Also re: house Martell, since they haven't openly rebelled like everyone else, should we assume that they're supporting Joffrey? With a civil war going on I would've expected King's Landing to call for their help and/or branded them as traitors if they refused?
The scene where Sam gives a history lesson about the mountain they're on seemed kinda out of place. None of his brothers wanted to listen to him so it seemed like he was just spouting out info for the sake of enlightening us as viewers. ^^
Also, DRAGONS.
Sam was well within his nerdself spewing that information. So while it was for the viewers it wasnt completely out of place.
I agree that's exactly the sort of stuff Sam would say. Good ol' Sam, he's great |
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| moopie May 01 2012 08:17. Posts 12498 | Profile # |
On May 01 2012 08:11 Tears.Of.The.Moon wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 07:45 moopie wrote:
On May 01 2012 07:42 Tears.Of.The.Moon wrote:
I'm just wondering on which side are Riverlands , Vale and Dorn , these are the only three regions that i'm not completely sure?
The Riverlands have rallied behind Robb. The Vale and Dorne have not taken sides (if you recall Lysa told Catelyn that she will not risk her Son's life by joining a rebellion).
Thanks, i was quite unsure about the riverlands since if you wiki it you get Lysa Tully and Catelyn Tully , and they have quite different views, and it also said that Hoster Tully the house head was never shown in the series.
You're right that the series hasn't given it too much attention, but it was mentioned briefly in season 1 when Jaime was sieging Riverrun. When Robb was discussing the war plans with the Greatjon and his other lords, they say how they need to end the siege of Riverrun so the river lords will join them. They then proceed to do just that and take Jaime hostage.Last edit: 2012-05-01 08:18:29 |
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| Bellazuk Canada. May 01 2012 08:24. Posts 146 | Profile # |
| Am I the only huge fan of Stark's family ? It seems despite all other family , they have been loyal and true lovers between each other. Stannis truly said that Ned died to tell the truth about his right to reclaim the throne, so I don't think Stannis will be an enemy of the Starks and I can't follow Theon, his family treat him like hes shit, why would he become a traitor to Robb who consider him as a brother and whos the king of the north now, this doesnt make sense to me. |
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| Steveling Greece. May 01 2012 08:31. Posts 3103 | Profile Blog # |
On May 01 2012 08:24 Bellazuk wrote:
Am I the only huge fan of Stark's family ? It seems despite all other family , they have been loyal and true lovers between each other. Stannis truly said that Ned died to tell the truth about his right to reclaim the throne, so I don't think Stannis will be an enemy of the Starks and I can't follow Theon, his family treat him like hes shit, why would he become a traitor to Robb who consider him as a brother and whos the king of the north now, this doesnt make sense to me.
Stannis is just a righteous man. He doesn't hold a grudge against Robb, but if he insist on naming himself king I get a feeling Stannis will have a word to say bout that, lol.
Also, am I the only one to see that Sam is so similar to lotr's Sam? They're both humble and weak, would prefer a much simpler life from what was given to them, show great courage in adverisities, they are sidekicks for the main heroes( in gots case one of the main heroes anyway), and ofc their names are exactly the same. |
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| Redox Germany. May 01 2012 08:33. Posts 6060 | Profile # |
On May 01 2012 08:31 Steveling wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 08:24 Bellazuk wrote:
Am I the only huge fan of Stark's family ? It seems despite all other family , they have been loyal and true lovers between each other. Stannis truly said that Ned died to tell the truth about his right to reclaim the throne, so I don't think Stannis will be an enemy of the Starks and I can't follow Theon, his family treat him like hes shit, why would he become a traitor to Robb who consider him as a brother and whos the king of the north now, this doesnt make sense to me.
Stannis is just a righteous man. He doesn't hold a grudge against Robb, but if he insist on naming himself king I get a feeling Stannis will have a word to say bout that, lol. Also, am I the only one to see that Sam is so similar to lotr's Sam? They're both humble and weak, would prefer a much simpler life from what was given to them, show great courage in adverisities, they are sidekicks for the main heroes( in gots case one of the main heroes anyway), and ofc their names are exactly the same.
Sam was anything but weak.
He was one of the strongest characters in whole Lotr.
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| freelander Hungary. May 01 2012 08:35. Posts 3953 | Profile Blog # |
I don't know why some of you think Gendry has rights for the throne.
He is a bastard, he can't claim the throne just like Jon Snow can't call himself Stark. |
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