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| Mobius_1 United Kingdom. May 08 2012 11:32. Posts 2719 | Profile Blog # |
The consensus here seems to be we should make Tyrion and Hodor king. Well, according to the pic from pages and pages ago, Hodor has already ruled as President, just need to vote Colbert in next!
Oh, and slap Joffrey as much as possible, please. |
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| icystorage Philippines. May 08 2012 11:32. Posts 3782 | Profile Blog # |
On May 08 2012 11:29 Kiett wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 08 2012 11:23 icystorage wrote:
On May 08 2012 11:19 Drowsy wrote:
On May 08 2012 10:25 jinorazi wrote:
geoffrey seems like he lacks common sense and does only what he wants to do. hence why i asked about his hesitant attitude towards tyrion. his character make it seem he is oblivious to his surrounding, doesn't realize he actually doesn't have much power and would snap one day to tyrion's tough hands and order his execution...then again tyrion will do some bad ass stuff to get out of the situation...would be a intriguing scene to watch.
I thought about this myself. I think the reason it hasn't happened is because Tywin would flip out if Joffrey or Cersei killed Tyrion without a lot of justification. It's easy to forget how insanely rich and powerful Tywin really is; he's definitely more powerful than King Joffrey, and maybe even more powerful than Robert was in his reign.
but i always thought Tywin like Tyrion the very least compared to his other children (jaime cersei). i remember in season 1 when tyrion and tywin met in the tent, tywin didnt show much compassion or care to tyrion
Indeed. But Tywin does recognize that Tyrion is capable and smart, which is why he handpicked Tyrion to serve in his stead as Hand of the King. If Joffrey or Cersei had him killed, that would be directly undermining Tywin's command and authority, and would force him to have to go to King's Landing to deal with the issues there personally, something he can't afford to do while simultaneously managing the war. Even if Tywin doesn't like Tyrion, he definitely needs him at the moment.
makes sense.
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 Leth0 May 08 2012 11:38. Posts 856 | Profile # |
| No man is so accursed as a Kinslayer. There are a lot of reasons why Jofferey doesn't dare do anything to Tyrion. He is acting in the stead of Tywin himself at Tywins command. Yea maybe Tywin doesn't like him, but that doesn't change the fact that he is a Lannister. |
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| Karliath United States. May 08 2012 11:39. Posts 2214 | Profile Blog # |
On May 08 2012 11:23 icystorage wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 08 2012 11:19 Drowsy wrote:
On May 08 2012 10:25 jinorazi wrote:
geoffrey seems like he lacks common sense and does only what he wants to do. hence why i asked about his hesitant attitude towards tyrion. his character make it seem he is oblivious to his surrounding, doesn't realize he actually doesn't have much power and would snap one day to tyrion's tough hands and order his execution...then again tyrion will do some bad ass stuff to get out of the situation...would be a intriguing scene to watch.
I thought about this myself. I think the reason it hasn't happened is because Tywin would flip out if Joffrey or Cersei killed Tyrion without a lot of justification. It's easy to forget how insanely rich and powerful Tywin really is; he's definitely more powerful than King Joffrey, and maybe even more powerful than Robert was in his reign.
but i always thought Tywin like Tyrion the very least compared to his other children (jaime cersei). i remember in season 1 when tyrion and tywin met in the tent, tywin didnt show much compassion or care to tyrion
Tywin would probably be pissed, but don't be mistaken: He hates Tyrion. Not only is Tyrion a dwarf, but he "killed" his mother when she gave birth to him. As far as Tywin is concerned, he lost his wife so a piece of trash could be born.
Recall Tyrion's conversation with Jon Snow, when he says, "all dwarfs are bastards in their father's eyes." Furthermore, in the tent scene, Tywin orders Tyrion to fight in the vanguard, which may as well be a death sentence. + Show Spoiler +Tyrion got lucky because he was knocked out by a warhammer before battle even started.
We also get a unique look at Tyrion's sense of family loyalty when he replies, "Surely, there are ways to have me killed that are less detrimental to the war effort." It's a real shame that Tywin refuses to accept his son's intelligence and value. I believe that this is the only evidence of a fault in his usual cold, calculated, and practical demeanor.
The only value Tyrion has to him is as a Lannister, which is why Tywin appoints him as the stand-in King's Hand while Tywin is busy at war. (All the other notable Lannisters are busy doing something else.)
In the end, Jaime is the only senior member of the family who gets along with Tyrion. I would assume that Myrcella and Tommen don't have a problem with Tyrion either.Last edit: 2012-05-08 11:41:08 |
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| fabiano Brazil. May 08 2012 12:04. Posts 3824 | Profile Blog # |
Tyrion likes Tommen and Myrcella, both of them are good hearted (you see Tommen crying when Myrcella is leaving, and Joffrey being the evil kid he is).
Jaime and Tyrion do not get along well, but they don't hate each other actually, at least there aren't any signs of that. So far Tyrion has showed that he only truly hates Cersei, and probably also dislikes Tywin. |
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| Karliath United States. May 08 2012 12:09. Posts 2214 | Profile Blog # |
On May 08 2012 12:04 fabiano wrote:
Tyrion likes Tommen and Myrcella, both of them are good hearted (you see Tommen crying when Myrcella is leaving, and Joffrey being the evil kid he is).
Jaime and Tyrion do not get along well, but they don't hate each other actually, at least there aren't any signs of that. So far Tyrion has showed that he only truly hates Cersei, and probably also dislikes Tywin.
What evidence do you have that Jaime and Tyrion do not get along well?
The only "negative" interaction I can think of is when Jaime questions Tyrion's loyalty when Tyrion implicitly suggests that he knows how Bran fell from the tower. But that's hardly defining of their relationship.Last edit: 2012-05-08 12:18:43 |
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| xXFireandIceXx Canada. May 08 2012 12:19. Posts 3993 | Profile Blog # |
| all the good guys are getting destroyed....i guess that's life... |
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| LeaD Canada. May 08 2012 12:22. Posts 420 | Profile # |
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On May 08 2012 08:22 Spitfire wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 08 2012 07:41 Sub40APM wrote:
After Robb became king...Theon became his right hand man....sort of the way the Lanister family was the right hand of the Barantheon family? And used that position to amass even more power?? And on the Iron Islands he is a prince...so powerful that he gets one whole ship. Of course to be fair in this universe one crappy ship of pirates is good enough to capture the capital of a kingdom at war so who knows....
How do you steal rocks or wood for ships??? Sardinia used to be a huge iron exporter too throughout Roman and even Middle Ages yet no Viking society evolved there....where did the Vikings succeed? In places with lots of wood and lots of food to serve as a base for their mighty warrior culture.
Lannisters right hand of the Baratheons? Not from what I've seen. seems more like Tywin is the most powerful man in Westeros, just prefers not to rule from the throne. Your Sardinia argument, not sure how that really relates to anything. Feels like you're just trying to show off your history knowledge there. "They cant build ships, the iron islands dont look like they have a lot of wood". Its WOOD, not oil, or gold or some other resource thats actually rare. The vikings were great raiders because of the design of their ships and because of the people sailing the ships, not because they had so much more frigging wood then everyone else. Theon wants to be a king, its just that simple. Dunno why people find that so hard to grasp, and are making some hilariously convoluted arguments as to why it doesnt make sense. "But, why would he want to be king of Faroe islands when he could be right hand to the right hand to the right hand of the king of Scotland". Uh, cause the North isnt Scotland and Iron Islands arent the Faroe islands. This is modelled on Medieval culture, he wants to be a KING with all that entails.
I don't know whether you`re referring to Tywin after or before Roberts reign, because I might agree after his reign but definitely not before. Tywin may have had the money all along, but Robert as king always had the loyalty of the Northern Kingdom, the Vale, Riverlands and the Baratheons. As powerful as the Lannister's are, they'd be smashed under that much power, just like the Targaryeons were, who had Dorne and Highgarden on their side.
After Renly's death, I'd definitely agree with you Tywin has the most power in Westeros and is basically king at the moment.
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| moopie May 08 2012 12:32. Posts 12498 | Profile # |
On May 08 2012 12:22 LeaD wrote:
After Renly's death, I'd definitely agree with you Tywin has the most power in Westeros and is basically king at the moment.
Just don't tell Joffrey that, he'd get mad.
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| Laids United Kingdom. May 08 2012 12:33. Posts 592 | Profile # |
| I think that's the first time we've seen Shaggy Dog and Summer together since the start of the first season. They look smaller than Ghost and Grey Wind to me. |
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| Whole United States. May 08 2012 12:42. Posts 4947 | Profile Blog # |
| why is Tyrion so protective of Sansa? I know that she is important in general, but perhaps I missed a specific reason. |
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| biology]major United States. May 08 2012 12:45. Posts 613 | Profile # |
On May 08 2012 12:42 Whole wrote:
why is Tyrion so protective of Sansa? I know that she is important in general, but perhaps I missed a specific reason.
important to get jaime back via a trade |
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| Whole United States. May 08 2012 12:49. Posts 4947 | Profile Blog # |
| oh, why the hell did that slip my mind X_X sorry for the stupid question lol |
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| ShakaZu.Sc2 United States. May 08 2012 13:00. Posts 131 | Profile # |
On May 08 2012 11:39 Karliath wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 08 2012 11:23 icystorage wrote:
On May 08 2012 11:19 Drowsy wrote:
On May 08 2012 10:25 jinorazi wrote:
geoffrey seems like he lacks common sense and does only what he wants to do. hence why i asked about his hesitant attitude towards tyrion. his character make it seem he is oblivious to his surrounding, doesn't realize he actually doesn't have much power and would snap one day to tyrion's tough hands and order his execution...then again tyrion will do some bad ass stuff to get out of the situation...would be a intriguing scene to watch.
I thought about this myself. I think the reason it hasn't happened is because Tywin would flip out if Joffrey or Cersei killed Tyrion without a lot of justification. It's easy to forget how insanely rich and powerful Tywin really is; he's definitely more powerful than King Joffrey, and maybe even more powerful than Robert was in his reign.
but i always thought Tywin like Tyrion the very least compared to his other children (jaime cersei). i remember in season 1 when tyrion and tywin met in the tent, tywin didnt show much compassion or care to tyrion
Tywin would probably be pissed, but don't be mistaken: He hates Tyrion. Not only is Tyrion a dwarf, but he "killed" his mother when she gave birth to him. As far as Tywin is concerned, he lost his wife so a piece of trash could be born. Recall Tyrion's conversation with Jon Snow, when he says, "all dwarfs are bastards in their father's eyes." Furthermore, in the tent scene, Tywin orders Tyrion to fight in the vanguard, which may as well be a death sentence. + Show Spoiler +Tyrion got lucky because he was knocked out by a warhammer before battle even started. We also get a unique look at Tyrion's sense of family loyalty when he replies, "Surely, there are ways to have me killed that are less detrimental to the war effort." It's a real shame that Tywin refuses to accept his son's intelligence and value. I believe that this is the only evidence of a fault in his usual cold, calculated, and practical demeanor. The only value Tyrion has to him is as a Lannister, which is why Tywin appoints him as the stand-in King's Hand while Tywin is busy at war. (All the other notable Lannisters are busy doing something else.) In the end, Jaime is the only senior member of the family who gets along with Tyrion. I would assume that Myrcella and Tommen don't have a problem with Tyrion either.
I think the fact that Tywin sends Tyrion to Kings Landing is proof that he doesn't hate him as much as one would suspect. I believe he trusts Tyrion to actually govern the people and play the political game above Cersei or Joffrey |
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| ssxsilver United States. May 08 2012 13:34. Posts 935 | Profile # |
| Peter Dinklage deserves all the credit he received for season 1, but the actor that plays Joffrey just delivers so much this season. That exchange with Sansa had me laughing so hard. All in all, my favorite episode of the season and yes, Ygritte is super hot. |
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| itkovian United States. May 08 2012 14:13. Posts 1593 | Profile Blog # |
Just watched the latest episode, and man for some reason I feel like being picky: they put wayyy too much make-up on some of those actresses. Like, when we see Ygritte for the first time she looks like some kind of princess. She's supposed to be an unkempt barbarian, she should look dirty, not polished. That seems like an amateur mistake.
The hound was a bad ass this episode, saving Sansa like a boss. Too bad he has to serve the douche king joffrey. I wish Tywin would go to king's landing and show that little fucker whats up. Tywin is a get shit done type of guy, I think he's one of my favorite characters. |
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| itkovian United States. May 08 2012 14:15. Posts 1593 | Profile Blog # |
On May 08 2012 12:45 biology]major wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 08 2012 12:42 Whole wrote:
why is Tyrion so protective of Sansa? I know that she is important in general, but perhaps I missed a specific reason.
important to get jaime back via a trade
And tyrion is not a dick, and he sees what Joffrey is doing to Sansa and I think he feels bad for her. But yeah, most importantly he sees the value of keeping Sansa safe. |
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| ryanAnger United States. May 08 2012 15:49. Posts 822 | Profile Blog # |
On May 08 2012 12:45 biology]major wrote:
Show nested quote +On May 08 2012 12:42 Whole wrote:
why is Tyrion so protective of Sansa? I know that she is important in general, but perhaps I missed a specific reason.
important to get jaime back via a trade
Tyrion is also kind-hearted, despite all the shit he has been dealt in life. |
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