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 Atrioc Korea (South). February 22 2009 15:29. Posts 1644 | Profile Blog # |
| lol its just more points for jaedong to take |
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| neobowman Canada. February 22 2009 15:48. Posts 2862 | Profile Blog # |
On February 18 2009 02:47 Jyvblamo wrote:
Show nested quote +On February 17 2009 23:47 Plexa wrote:
On February 17 2009 23:09 G.s)NarutO wrote:
On January 04 2009 11:05 Hot_Bid wrote:
On January 04 2009 11:02 lolaloc wrote:
What's with the number 2300??
Aside that it's a really high number elo...
Why not a flat 2000?
2000 was the default set ELO for all Pros when they enter. Generally, 2200 means a player is one of the best, and 2300 is only reserved for Bonjwa-level players. I know that Jaedong and Flash aren't on the same level career-wise as iloveoov or Savior, but for half a year when they made their peaks, they were almost as dominant, but simply without as many titles.
2285 - NaDa's peak and he still was a bonjwa 
Yea, out elo rankings have been subject to inflation (normal in elo ratings). What was a bonjwa level rating in the past (2200+ ie boxer) has risen over time to 2250+ and now 2300+. What's amazing about oov is that he set the elo peak record at a time where the level for bonjwa would be about 2250; so he was smashing it! If oov had done that today, he would be sitting at a cool 2370-2400 at the moment i would think.
Once again, inflation explains all. :D
How does inflation affect elo ratings? Just wondering. |
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| Guss Sweden. February 22 2009 15:51. Posts 701 | Profile Blog # |
| more players. more points. more games making it so that if ur good u can peak higher. Last edit: 2009-02-22 15:52:01 |
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| Jayme United States. February 22 2009 15:53. Posts 4924 | Profile Blog # |
On February 22 2009 15:48 neobowman wrote:
Show nested quote +On February 18 2009 02:47 Jyvblamo wrote:
On February 17 2009 23:47 Plexa wrote:
On February 17 2009 23:09 G.s)NarutO wrote:
On January 04 2009 11:05 Hot_Bid wrote:
On January 04 2009 11:02 lolaloc wrote:
What's with the number 2300??
Aside that it's a really high number elo...
Why not a flat 2000?
2000 was the default set ELO for all Pros when they enter. Generally, 2200 means a player is one of the best, and 2300 is only reserved for Bonjwa-level players. I know that Jaedong and Flash aren't on the same level career-wise as iloveoov or Savior, but for half a year when they made their peaks, they were almost as dominant, but simply without as many titles.
2285 - NaDa's peak and he still was a bonjwa
Yea, out elo rankings have been subject to inflation (normal in elo ratings). What was a bonjwa level rating in the past (2200+ ie boxer) has risen over time to 2250+ and now 2300+. What's amazing about oov is that he set the elo peak record at a time where the level for bonjwa would be about 2250; so he was smashing it! If oov had done that today, he would be sitting at a cool 2370-2400 at the moment i would think.
Once again, inflation explains all. :D
How does inflation affect elo ratings? Just wondering.
ELO always inflates. As more players join the pool the bellcurve shifts to the right. The shift causes more players to have higher ratings which cause the top end ELO to get higher and higher and higher.
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| Kyuukyuu Canada. February 22 2009 15:58. Posts 5472 | Profile Blog # |
On February 22 2009 15:53 Jayme wrote:
Show nested quote +On February 22 2009 15:48 neobowman wrote:
On February 18 2009 02:47 Jyvblamo wrote:
On February 17 2009 23:47 Plexa wrote:
On February 17 2009 23:09 G.s)NarutO wrote:
On January 04 2009 11:05 Hot_Bid wrote:
On January 04 2009 11:02 lolaloc wrote:
What's with the number 2300??
Aside that it's a really high number elo...
Why not a flat 2000?
2000 was the default set ELO for all Pros when they enter. Generally, 2200 means a player is one of the best, and 2300 is only reserved for Bonjwa-level players. I know that Jaedong and Flash aren't on the same level career-wise as iloveoov or Savior, but for half a year when they made their peaks, they were almost as dominant, but simply without as many titles.
2285 - NaDa's peak and he still was a bonjwa
Yea, out elo rankings have been subject to inflation (normal in elo ratings). What was a bonjwa level rating in the past (2200+ ie boxer) has risen over time to 2250+ and now 2300+. What's amazing about oov is that he set the elo peak record at a time where the level for bonjwa would be about 2250; so he was smashing it! If oov had done that today, he would be sitting at a cool 2370-2400 at the moment i would think.
Once again, inflation explains all. :D
How does inflation affect elo ratings? Just wondering.
ELO always inflates. As more players join the pool the bellcurve shifts to the right. The shift causes more players to have higher ratings which cause the top end ELO to get higher and higher and higher.
tl;dr: oov was a fucking beast
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 BanZu United States. February 22 2009 15:58. Posts 3329 | Profile Blog # |
On February 22 2009 15:24 lxginverse wrote:
as much as i dont want bisu to surpass flash's elo
it looks like he will....
T_T
Why would you wish something bad against another player? Is Bisu really that bad? Or are you all just immature grudge holders? I just don't get what could make someone hate a player so much. I mean, I dislike certain players a lot but I don't say things or wish things against them. |
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| huameng United States. February 22 2009 16:09. Posts 1133 | Profile Blog # |
| You don't dislike players enough to want them to lose? It's not like he wants Bisu to get hit by a car, man. I personally want Flash to keep the ELO peak too. It's nothing against Bisu specifically, I don't want anyone to pass him. |
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| Signet United States. February 22 2009 16:11. Posts 1664 | Profile # |
| Or he could be a flash fan who wants his favorite player to have #1 elo peak :shrug: |
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| Signet United States. February 22 2009 16:17. Posts 1664 | Profile # |
Oh shit! I missed the early games tonight, didn't know + Show Spoiler +Bisu all-killed OGN. If he wins his next game, he will break the all-time elo peak! |
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| eshlow United States. February 22 2009 16:20. Posts 5013 | Profile # |
On February 22 2009 15:53 Jayme wrote:
Show nested quote +On February 22 2009 15:48 neobowman wrote:
On February 18 2009 02:47 Jyvblamo wrote:
On February 17 2009 23:47 Plexa wrote:
On February 17 2009 23:09 G.s)NarutO wrote:
On January 04 2009 11:05 Hot_Bid wrote:
On January 04 2009 11:02 lolaloc wrote:
What's with the number 2300??
Aside that it's a really high number elo...
Why not a flat 2000?
2000 was the default set ELO for all Pros when they enter. Generally, 2200 means a player is one of the best, and 2300 is only reserved for Bonjwa-level players. I know that Jaedong and Flash aren't on the same level career-wise as iloveoov or Savior, but for half a year when they made their peaks, they were almost as dominant, but simply without as many titles.
2285 - NaDa's peak and he still was a bonjwa
Yea, out elo rankings have been subject to inflation (normal in elo ratings). What was a bonjwa level rating in the past (2200+ ie boxer) has risen over time to 2250+ and now 2300+. What's amazing about oov is that he set the elo peak record at a time where the level for bonjwa would be about 2250; so he was smashing it! If oov had done that today, he would be sitting at a cool 2370-2400 at the moment i would think.
Once again, inflation explains all. :D
How does inflation affect elo ratings? Just wondering.
ELO always inflates. As more players join the pool the bellcurve shifts to the right. The shift causes more players to have higher ratings which cause the top end ELO to get higher and higher and higher.
That's not always true.
In chess there is actually the tendency to deflate some when people's ratings are higher than their actual skill b/c of both rating ceilings & the deterioration of ability due to old age.
USCF is inflating.. slowly.. because of countermeasures they took against deflation. Uh, well, here's the wiki on ELO that will help explain:
The most straightforward attempt to avoid rating inflation/deflation is to have each game end in an equal transaction of rating points. If the winner gains N rating points, the loser should drop by N rating points. The intent is to keep the average rating constant, by preventing points from entering or leaving the system.
Unfortunately, this simple approach typically results in rating deflation, as the USCF was quick to discover.
A common misconception is that rating points enter the system every time a previously unrated player gets an initial rating and that likewise rating points leave the system every time someone retires from play. Players generally believe that since most players are significantly better at the end of their careers than at the beginning, that as they tend to take more points away from the system than they brought in, the system deflates as a result. This is a fallacy and is easily shown. If a system is deflated, players will have strengths higher than their ratings. But if they take points out of the system EQUAL TO their strength when they leave the system, no inflation or deflation will result.
Rather, in the "basic form" of the Elo system, the cause of deflation is the fact that players improve. The cause of inflation is that their strength relative to their rating will tend to decline over time with age. Since most players improve early in their career, the system tends to deflate at that time. Inflation doesn't occur until much later in a player's career. Many players will quit before this natural process occurs, which would return points to the system. The net result over time is deflation.
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| Carefree United States. February 22 2009 17:40. Posts 1456 | Profile Blog # | |
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| Adamthegreat Sweden. February 22 2009 17:43. Posts 1179 | Profile # |
On February 22 2009 16:17 Signet wrote:Oh shit! I missed the early games tonight, didn't know + Show Spoiler +Bisu all-killed OGN. If he wins his next game, he will break the all-time elo peak!
He plays Movie in WL on the 24th I think. |
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| writer22816 China. February 22 2009 18:27. Posts 4772 | Profile Blog # |
On February 22 2009 17:43 Adamthegreat wrote:
He plays Movie in WL on the 24th I think.
Here's to Movie pulling a Guemchi and beating bisu with dts. Oh the irony. Can't have a scumbag like bisu holding the #1 elo peak!Last edit: 2009-02-22 18:28:15 |
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| Aurioch United States. February 22 2009 18:31. Posts 414 | Profile # |
On February 22 2009 18:27 writer22816 wrote:
Show nested quote +On February 22 2009 17:43 Adamthegreat wrote:
He plays Movie in WL on the 24th I think.
Here's to Movie pulling a Guemchi and beating bisu with dts. Oh the irony. Can't have a scumbag like bisu holding the #1 elo peak!
You sound more like the scumbag you make Bisu out of... |
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| Mista Singapore. February 22 2009 18:32. Posts 1022 | Profile # |
On February 22 2009 18:27 writer22816 wrote:
Show nested quote +On February 22 2009 17:43 Adamthegreat wrote:
He plays Movie in WL on the 24th I think.
Here's to Movie pulling a Guemchi and beating bisu with dts. Oh the irony. Can't have a scumbag like bisu holding the #1 elo peak!
You're the scumbag retard. |
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| hubfub Australia. February 22 2009 18:33. Posts 335 | Profile Blog # | |
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| traced February 22 2009 20:24. Posts 1714 | Profile # |
On February 22 2009 15:29 Atrioc wrote:
lol its just more points for jaedong to take
speaking of which, is this showmatch kespa ranked? i'd guess no... |
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| FirstBorn Romania. February 22 2009 20:26. Posts 3948 | Profile Blog # |
| I think Kepsa started to take game played in the GOM Starleague into account. It might take the showmatch into account too. |
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| gravity Australia. February 22 2009 20:31. Posts 1626 | Profile # |
On February 22 2009 15:53 Jayme wrote:
Show nested quote +On February 22 2009 15:48 neobowman wrote:
On February 18 2009 02:47 Jyvblamo wrote:
On February 17 2009 23:47 Plexa wrote:
On February 17 2009 23:09 G.s)NarutO wrote:
On January 04 2009 11:05 Hot_Bid wrote:
On January 04 2009 11:02 lolaloc wrote:
What's with the number 2300??
Aside that it's a really high number elo...
Why not a flat 2000?
2000 was the default set ELO for all Pros when they enter. Generally, 2200 means a player is one of the best, and 2300 is only reserved for Bonjwa-level players. I know that Jaedong and Flash aren't on the same level career-wise as iloveoov or Savior, but for half a year when they made their peaks, they were almost as dominant, but simply without as many titles.
2285 - NaDa's peak and he still was a bonjwa
Yea, out elo rankings have been subject to inflation (normal in elo ratings). What was a bonjwa level rating in the past (2200+ ie boxer) has risen over time to 2250+ and now 2300+. What's amazing about oov is that he set the elo peak record at a time where the level for bonjwa would be about 2250; so he was smashing it! If oov had done that today, he would be sitting at a cool 2370-2400 at the moment i would think.
Once again, inflation explains all. :D
How does inflation affect elo ratings? Just wondering.
ELO always inflates. As more players join the pool the bellcurve shifts to the right. The shift causes more players to have higher ratings which cause the top end ELO to get higher and higher and higher.
No it doesn't - new players always add 2000 points, so the points available per player doesn't change (except for some small effect due the retirements, which can be either inflation or deflation depending if players, on average, retire with more or less than 2000 points).
More games in a short time (like with strong players in WL) probably does lead to somewhat higher peaks though, since you get more games in when you're in a good state and playing above your rating.
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 disciple Administrator February 22 2009 20:44. | Profile Blog # |
On February 22 2009 15:53 Jayme wrote:
Show nested quote +On February 22 2009 15:48 neobowman wrote:
On February 18 2009 02:47 Jyvblamo wrote:
On February 17 2009 23:47 Plexa wrote:
On February 17 2009 23:09 G.s)NarutO wrote:
On January 04 2009 11:05 Hot_Bid wrote:
On January 04 2009 11:02 lolaloc wrote:
What's with the number 2300??
Aside that it's a really high number elo...
Why not a flat 2000?
2000 was the default set ELO for all Pros when they enter. Generally, 2200 means a player is one of the best, and 2300 is only reserved for Bonjwa-level players. I know that Jaedong and Flash aren't on the same level career-wise as iloveoov or Savior, but for half a year when they made their peaks, they were almost as dominant, but simply without as many titles.
2285 - NaDa's peak and he still was a bonjwa
Yea, out elo rankings have been subject to inflation (normal in elo ratings). What was a bonjwa level rating in the past (2200+ ie boxer) has risen over time to 2250+ and now 2300+. What's amazing about oov is that he set the elo peak record at a time where the level for bonjwa would be about 2250; so he was smashing it! If oov had done that today, he would be sitting at a cool 2370-2400 at the moment i would think.
Once again, inflation explains all. :D
How does inflation affect elo ratings? Just wondering.
ELO always inflates. As more players join the pool the bellcurve shifts to the right. The shift causes more players to have higher ratings which cause the top end ELO to get higher and higher and higher.
Thats right, the ELO inflates. Take a look at the chess, it took about 50 years to feel the difference. This process needs decades to kick in. The inflation between NaDa's and Bisu's ELO is most likely around 2-3 points. |
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