| e_i_pi_1_0 April 15 2010 02:43. Posts 933 | Profile # |
Jaedong TvP: 117 wins - 53 losses (68.82%) 2291 ELO
I didn't know Jaedong played TvP |
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| J1.au Australia. April 15 2010 02:44. Posts 3533 | Profile Blog # |
On April 15 2010 02:43 e_i_pi_1_0 wrote:I didn't know Jaedong played TvP
Hahaha, 3:44 AM. Too much Terran in my brain. The point still stands however, Jaedong's ZvP is clearly not more dominant that Flash's TvT and TvZ.Last edit: 2010-04-15 02:45:54 |
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| Waximus China. April 15 2010 02:45. Posts 6 | Profile # |
On April 15 2010 02:43 e_i_pi_1_0 wrote:I didn't know Jaedong played TvP
Indeed, but I wonder how good he would be... |
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| LucasWoJ United States. April 15 2010 02:52. Posts 915 | Profile Blog # |
On April 15 2010 02:44 J1.au wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 15 2010 02:43 e_i_pi_1_0 wrote:
Jaedong TvP: 117 wins - 53 losses (68.82%) 2291 ELO
I didn't know Jaedong played TvP
Hahaha, 3:44 AM. Too much Terran in my brain. The point still stands however, Jaedong's ZvP is clearly not more dominant that Flash's TvT and TvZ.
Quoting lifetime percentages that somewhat omit the various evolutions in the matchup (brought up by both of these players) to prove "dominance," one way or the other, is the wrong way to do it. Over roughly the last six months:
Since 10/01/10, Jaedong's ZvP is
Record: 16 wins - 1 losses (94.12%) (20-2 (90%) including WCG)
Flash's TvP since 10/01/10 is
20 wins - 4 losses (83.33%)
Flash's TvT since 10/01/10 is
Record: 19 wins - 4 losses (82.61%)
You are still correct in saying that his ZvP is not clearly more dominant than Flash's TvZ or TvT. It is, however, more dominant than both (just not clearly).
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| J1.au Australia. April 15 2010 02:58. Posts 3533 | Profile Blog # |
On April 15 2010 02:52 LucasWoJ wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 15 2010 02:44 J1.au wrote:
On April 15 2010 02:43 e_i_pi_1_0 wrote:
Jaedong TvP: 117 wins - 53 losses (68.82%) 2291 ELO
I didn't know Jaedong played TvP
Hahaha, 3:44 AM. Too much Terran in my brain. The point still stands however, Jaedong's ZvP is clearly not more dominant that Flash's TvT and TvZ.
Quoting lifetime percentages that somewhat omit the various evolutions in the matchup (brought up by both of these players) to prove "dominance," one way or the other, is the wrong way to do it. Over roughly the last six months: Since 10/01/10, Jaedong's ZvP is Record: 16 wins - 1 losses (94.12%) (20-2 (90%) including WCG) Flash's TvP since 10/01/10 is 20 wins - 4 losses (83.33%) Flash's TvT since 10/01/10 is Record: 19 wins - 4 losses (82.61%) You are still correct in saying that his ZvP is not clearly more dominant than Flash's TvZ or TvT. It is, however, more dominant than both (just not clearly).
Flash's TvP since 1/1/10 is
18 wins - 2 losses (90.00%)
Jaedong's ZvP since 1/1/10 is
9 wins - 1 losses (90.00%)
Am I missing something? Seriously, where the hell did you get those numbers from!? Jaedong's ZvP is CLEARLY not more dominant.Last edit: 2010-04-15 02:59:46 |
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| BobbYt3hBobbY April 15 2010 03:03. Posts 256 | Profile # |
| I think he meant starting from 1st of October 2009. Otherwise WCG wouldnt make sense. |
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| TwoToneTerran United States. April 15 2010 08:53. Posts 7990 | Profile # |
On April 15 2010 02:52 LucasWoJ wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 15 2010 02:44 J1.au wrote:
On April 15 2010 02:43 e_i_pi_1_0 wrote:
Jaedong TvP: 117 wins - 53 losses (68.82%) 2291 ELO
I didn't know Jaedong played TvP
Hahaha, 3:44 AM. Too much Terran in my brain. The point still stands however, Jaedong's ZvP is clearly not more dominant that Flash's TvT and TvZ.
Quoting lifetime percentages that somewhat omit the various evolutions in the matchup (brought up by both of these players) to prove "dominance," one way or the other, is the wrong way to do it. Over roughly the last six months: Since 10/01/10, Jaedong's ZvP is Record: 16 wins - 1 losses (94.12%) (20-2 (90%) including WCG) Flash's TvP since 10/01/10 is 20 wins - 4 losses (83.33%) Flash's TvT since 10/01/10 is Record: 19 wins - 4 losses (82.61%) You are still correct in saying that his ZvP is not clearly more dominant than Flash's TvZ or TvT. It is, however, more dominant than both (just not clearly).
Right, but if you want to cherry pick times when players are better why not pick a longer time? Like say last year from early april for 8 more months? Why, Flash's TvT is 22-0!
I'll bet you money Jaedong's ZvP won't be as close over 22 games or 8 months.
Elo doesn't misrepresent anything. It has no real flaws aside from inflation and/or new players coming in (like how Flash got freebe points for beating an amateur in WCG). It's quite possible for Jaedong to surpass his current ZvP, but had he beaten Stork earlier he would have a higher ZvP. Had he, oh so long ago, not lost to Rock 3-0, his current ZvP Elo would probably be different.
Elo doesn't pretend to quantify what a player is capable of in the future, but it quantifies how good a player is up to present until considered otherwise fairly well. Better than any other system I've seen, alteast.
All that said, Flash has 3 matchups that are either the best or second best of all time (Best vT by far, second vZ of all time and best currently, second vP all time and second currently) to Jaedong, who has 2 that are best or second best of all time (vZ was best, is second. vP is best and best of all time). If someone supplants him then someone supplants him. Jaedong is excellent in his field but slightly less rounded than Flash, so who cares?
Well, aside from slumps.Last edit: 2010-04-15 08:56:03 |
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| Rewera Poland. April 16 2010 03:18. Posts 354 | Profile # |
Ok są let's make some goals for any player to achieve in ELO.
We have following picks:
1) A v A
2) MyRace v A
3) A v T
4) MyRace v T
5) A v Z
6) MyRace v Z
7) A v P
8) My Race v P
Where "My Race v" anything is lesser and "A v" anything is better. There can be also category between but I don't want it to look like pumping statistics.
Flash till now has:
1) A v A
2) MyRace v A
3) A v T
4) MyRace v T
5) A v Z
6) MyRace v Z
7) A v P
8) My Race v P
and he is very close to A v Z and A v P which would make him complete ELO champion. I hope there will be some way to remove flaws from ELO so we could test if this is really positive for all times.
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| MountainDewJunkie United States. April 16 2010 03:38. Posts 9308 | Profile Blog # |
| wrong thread Last edit: 2010-04-16 09:45:11 |
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| saltywet Hong Kong. April 16 2010 05:50. Posts 1040 | Profile Blog # |
On April 15 2010 08:53 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 15 2010 02:52 LucasWoJ wrote:
On April 15 2010 02:44 J1.au wrote:
On April 15 2010 02:43 e_i_pi_1_0 wrote:
Jaedong TvP: 117 wins - 53 losses (68.82%) 2291 ELO
I didn't know Jaedong played TvP
Hahaha, 3:44 AM. Too much Terran in my brain. The point still stands however, Jaedong's ZvP is clearly not more dominant that Flash's TvT and TvZ.
Quoting lifetime percentages that somewhat omit the various evolutions in the matchup (brought up by both of these players) to prove "dominance," one way or the other, is the wrong way to do it. Over roughly the last six months: Since 10/01/10, Jaedong's ZvP is Record: 16 wins - 1 losses (94.12%) (20-2 (90%) including WCG) Flash's TvP since 10/01/10 is 20 wins - 4 losses (83.33%) Flash's TvT since 10/01/10 is Record: 19 wins - 4 losses (82.61%) You are still correct in saying that his ZvP is not clearly more dominant than Flash's TvZ or TvT. It is, however, more dominant than both (just not clearly).
Right, but if you want to cherry pick times when players are better why not pick a longer time? Like say last year from early april for 8 more months? Why, Flash's TvT is 22-0! I'll bet you money Jaedong's ZvP won't be as close over 22 games or 8 months. Elo doesn't misrepresent anything. It has no real flaws aside from inflation and/or new players coming in (like how Flash got freebe points for beating an amateur in WCG). It's quite possible for Jaedong to surpass his current ZvP, but had he beaten Stork earlier he would have a higher ZvP. Had he, oh so long ago, not lost to Rock 3-0, his current ZvP Elo would probably be different. Elo doesn't pretend to quantify what a player is capable of in the future, but it quantifies how good a player is up to present until considered otherwise fairly well. Better than any other system I've seen, alteast. All that said, Flash has 3 matchups that are either the best or second best of all time (Best vT by far, second vZ of all time and best currently, second vP all time and second currently) to Jaedong, who has 2 that are best or second best of all time (vZ was best, is second. vP is best and best of all time). If someone supplants him then someone supplants him. Jaedong is excellent in his field but slightly less rounded than Flash, so who cares? Well, aside from slumps.
because they are talking about dominance at present time, so if anything comparisons should be made from start of dominance, ie for flash last year from early april to now |
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 TheTeamLiquidTiger United States. April 16 2010 06:56. Posts 627 | Profile Blog # |
i certainly hopes he can break the 2300 mark
but by the looks of his condition, i don't think that's likely |
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| SuperArc Austria. April 16 2010 21:28. Posts 7781 | Profile Blog # |
| Movie is getting close to Stork and Bisu's ELO, I guess it's really the end for taek-bang. |
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| gondolin France. April 23 2010 19:25. Posts 317 | Profile Blog # |
OSL Spoilers
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With his win against baby, Flash is now on a 10 games winning streak making up for his 2 consecutive losses earlier and should set up a new ELO record yet again!
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| J1.au Australia. April 23 2010 19:41. Posts 3533 | Profile Blog # |
This thread should be called "Flash ELO Peaks". I wouldn't even add a spoiler tag as Flash wins every game so there is nothing to spoil.
EDIT: Seriously though, this thread is bumped every time Flash gets close to his peak or sets a new one. One has only to glance at this thread's title to be spoiled.Last edit: 2010-04-23 19:46:52 |
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| borso Hungary. April 23 2010 19:52. Posts 28 | Profile # | |
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| hypercube Hungary. April 23 2010 20:01. Posts 1916 | Profile # |
On April 23 2010 19:41 J1.au wrote:EDIT: Seriously though, this thread is bumped every time Flash gets close to his peak or sets a new one. One has only to glance at this thread's title to be spoiled.
We just need to bump it every time Flash loses but when a win would have given him a new Elo peak. |
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| ~ava Canada. April 23 2010 22:31. Posts 350 | Profile Blog # |
| Ditto, OSL result ruined by this thread bump... |
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| Fx_ April 23 2010 22:58. Posts 503 | Profile # |
On April 15 2010 02:43 e_i_pi_1_0 wrote:I didn't know Jaedong played TvP
LOL |
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| Demand2k Norway. April 23 2010 23:05. Posts 545 | Profile Blog # |
Like 3 threads bumped every time Flash wins, lol
Kinda impossible to avoid the results |
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