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| SerpentFlame January 19 2009 05:49. Posts 384 | Profile Blog # |
On January 19 2009 04:32 EleanorRIgby wrote:
there is such a huge misconception that leta is a safe standard player, this is totally wrong i think hes currently the best all around terran player with no current weakness
Watch any of his games versus protoss. Losing a game to BackHo, getting completely destroyed by Jangbi, *almost* losing to Guemchi, and getting steamrolled by Free (these games were far from top-class by Leta)? Granted, Leta's got a good vP, certainly a better one than most gamers, but as far as S class gamers go, his vP is nowhere near those of say, Flash, even though Flash has not been doing too well as of late. Like I think most people have said, Leta still remains largely untested against skilled players in a Bo3 or Bo5, so saying he's "the best all around terran player" is quite a stretch, until he goes far in a starleague. |
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| DalfiusWL New Zealand. January 19 2009 08:45. Posts 47 | Profile # |
| Wow, the rankings sure have changed, i havnt played in a year and i dont recognise half of those players :o what happened to everyone! |
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| traced January 19 2009 09:02. Posts 1714 | Profile # |
i really don't understand why bisu's pvz has been so shaky lately, before the osl/msl he was absolutely fucking godly in proleague and gom pvz
it's like he went from knowing every timing to knowing none |
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| GGQ Canada. January 19 2009 09:47. Posts 2465 | Profile Blog # |
| Or maybe zergs changed their timings |
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| SerpentFlame January 19 2009 13:08. Posts 384 | Profile Blog # |
| Maybe he just played poorly those days? Mutalisk-hydra has been around for ages, and Zero is certainly not a zerg who would revolutionize the timings on that strategy. |
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| Sulunais Korea (South). January 19 2009 16:22. Posts 34 | Profile # |
On January 18 2009 21:19 yunicyarblejellythou wrote:
...i simultaneously view it as a barometer of how "one would bet" if starcraft was open to Vegas, or a predictor of future games. The logic is inductive. The better the players short term success the better his likely near future success the greater his "equity" to a system that would predict the outcome of games. The intuitive feel humans possess about the strength of a player should therefore naturally be replicated with a short term ELO ranking system if there were to be one in existence...
I think of the PR as a kind of predictor of short-term future success, too. But I'm not sure that recent results alone can make those predictions. Chance and luck are more important than people tend to accept. Even if you watch all the games, a player's going to look good if they get an early lucky break, and bad if they're fighting an uphill struggle.
Having said that, it's only the last few contentious places on the rank that I disagree with. Yarnc seems to lack that devious, evil streak that the great zergs have. Hwasin looks petrified when he faces protoss. |
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| Avidkeystamper United States. January 19 2009 16:29. Posts 8551 | Profile Blog # |
| Do people think of the PR as a overall assessment of a player's power over the entire month or as an assessment of the players power at one point during the month (when the PR comes out), meaning for the latter choice, recent games have more impact on the placement of the PR. |
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| Eternity241 Australia. January 19 2009 16:40. Posts 342 | Profile # |
On January 19 2009 16:29 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Do people think of the PR as a overall assessment of a player's power over the entire month or as an assessment of the players power at one point during the month (when the PR comes out), meaning for the latter choice, recent games have more impact on the placement of the PR.
imo PR reflects the player's playing at that particular point when the PR is released. However, if say, for example, they do really bad at the time of PR release but did well at the beginning of the month, that should and does give them some slack on placement of PR. However, a player's form in a coming month is almost always unpredictable, especially when they have been shaky like + Show Spoiler +bisu, that 3-0 rape of skyhigh just shows that it's only his PvZ that probably needs refining. |
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| Nightmarjoo United States. January 19 2009 17:58. Posts 2648 | Profile Blog # |
Aww no skyhigh?
edit: sorry just saw Skyhigh mentioned 340503945 times above me.
I had to clean my glasses and relook when I saw Jangbi on top, but in the end I had to agree. When I thought about who's been doing the best recently but not super recently I just think "Bisu Bisu Bisu", but then Bisu flopped a bit recently, and Stork hasn't finished partying for his OSL win yet.
Sad to see Flash above Jaedong though.
Yarnc being on here is just funny all-over to me, even funnier that he's here and not Luxury (I don't mean a mis-placement, just funny in general that Yarnc did so much better recently).
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| Shikyo Finland. January 19 2009 21:07. Posts 20141 | Profile Blog # |
On January 19 2009 05:49 SerpentFlame wrote:
Show nested quote +On January 19 2009 04:32 EleanorRIgby wrote:
there is such a huge misconception that leta is a safe standard player, this is totally wrong i think hes currently the best all around terran player with no current weakness
Watch any of his games versus protoss. Losing a game to BackHo, getting completely destroyed by Jangbi, *almost* losing to Guemchi, and getting steamrolled by Free (these games were far from top-class by Leta)? Granted, Leta's got a good vP, certainly a better one than most gamers, but as far as S class gamers go, his vP is nowhere near those of say, Flash, even though Flash has not been doing too well as of late. Like I think most people have said, Leta still remains largely untested against skilled players in a Bo3 or Bo5, so saying he's "the best all around terran player" is quite a stretch, until he goes far in a starleague.
Well.. vs Guemchi his vulture harrass was really good although Guemchi choked majorly. Against Free, his vulture snipes were insane (Delayed Free's 4th by a few minutes easily). His overall gameplay is a bit flawed but he's really intelligent and is still only improving. |
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| Piste Finland. January 19 2009 22:01. Posts 4708 | Profile Blog # |
| Mmmm, Bisu should be on Jaedong's spot and Best should be on Stork's spot. |
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| SerpentFlame January 20 2009 05:23. Posts 384 | Profile Blog # |
On January 19 2009 21:07 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +On January 19 2009 05:49 SerpentFlame wrote:
On January 19 2009 04:32 EleanorRIgby wrote:
there is such a huge misconception that leta is a safe standard player, this is totally wrong i think hes currently the best all around terran player with no current weakness
Watch any of his games versus protoss. Losing a game to BackHo, getting completely destroyed by Jangbi, *almost* losing to Guemchi, and getting steamrolled by Free (these games were far from top-class by Leta)? Granted, Leta's got a good vP, certainly a better one than most gamers, but as far as S class gamers go, his vP is nowhere near those of say, Flash, even though Flash has not been doing too well as of late. Like I think most people have said, Leta still remains largely untested against skilled players in a Bo3 or Bo5, so saying he's "the best all around terran player" is quite a stretch, until he goes far in a starleague.
Well.. vs Guemchi his vulture harrass was really good although Guemchi choked majorly. Against Free, his vulture snipes were insane (Delayed Free's 4th by a few minutes easily). His overall gameplay is a bit flawed but he's really intelligent and is still only improving.
Impressive, but nevertheless, the top-level skill he exhibited in that matchup so far is only mechanical. There are plenty of gamers who have the stellar mechanics needed for a matchup that they still suck at, and Leta has yet to prove himself as different. Yarnc and Luxury, for example, have always had ridiculous mutalisk harassment, but they still manage to lose a good percentage of their games against Protoss. |
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 KizZBG u gotta skate. January 20 2009 11:59. Posts 8152 | Profile Blog # |
Why no CBNCs anymore?  |
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| Zinbiel Sweden. January 20 2009 18:41. Posts 804 | Profile # |
this luxury guy seems gewd, what gives?
On a serious note, hopefully Lux will use winners league as a reason to snap out of his slump and give JD and July some help at destroying the lesser races! He is in both starleagues and his proleague results are pretty impressive (last week only), if he keeps this up it could be something good on the way. |
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| Geo.Rion Hungary. January 20 2009 23:10. Posts 5350 | Profile Blog # |
| what a tough group: Leta, Luxury, Kal: Can't decide who to exclude on liquibet :S |
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| StylishVODs Sweden. January 21 2009 01:45. Posts 4988 | Profile # |
this winnersmode in the proleague really sets the PR for a test;)
its the best part of pro-league except the finals |
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| samachking Bahrain. January 21 2009 03:31. Posts 4949 | Profile Blog # |
| If Khan continues this we will have our first ever -10+ in the PR. Khan for no1 Failrank please. |
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 FakeSteve[TPR] Valhalla. January 21 2009 15:54. Posts 17062 | Profile Blog # |
Yarnc with an all-kill tonight  |
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| Avidkeystamper United States. January 21 2009 16:05. Posts 8551 | Profile Blog # |
On January 21 2009 15:54 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:Yarnc with an all-kill tonight
Yeah, against your favorite team, why are you happy? |
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| FakeSteve[TPR] Valhalla. January 21 2009 16:11. Posts 17062 | Profile Blog # |
On January 21 2009 16:05 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Show nested quote +On January 21 2009 15:54 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:Yarnc with an all-kill tonight
Yeah, against your favorite team, why are you happy?
i'm a fan of progaming in general, i just think MBC has the coolest players
yarnc struggles with consistency, but both he and luxury are capable of great things. it makes me smile when a player like that gets his shit together and crushes some skulls. |
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