 Pokebunny United States. September 15 2010 08:37. Posts 9624 | Profile Blog # |
| To be totally honest I don't think scaring new users into not posting discussion threads is a bad thing. Discussion threads started by unknowns are usually quite poorly thought out. Most of the bigger issues have topics started by good players or TL veterans. |
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| Pokebunny United States. September 15 2010 20:21. Posts 9624 | Profile Blog # | |
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 Carnac Germany. September 15 2010 20:44. Posts 16369 | Profile Blog # |
| link + poll isn't a good op really |
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 Jibba United States. September 15 2010 21:15. Posts 20685 | Profile Blog # |
| Nor is speculating if someone in a video died. o.o |
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| Pokebunny United States. September 16 2010 04:53. Posts 9624 | Profile Blog # |
| Right, but it wasn't just a link and a poll, it had open ended discussion points that made it more than just a poll thread. |
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 tofucake United States. September 16 2010 05:56. Posts 11643 | Profile Blog # | |
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 Manifesto7 Osaka. September 16 2010 12:04. Posts 25130 | Profile Blog # |
On September 15 2010 07:46 dvide wrote:
Show nested quote +On September 15 2010 03:25 beetlelisk wrote:You said you know it now but imo it won't hurt to be little more specific about what Hawk meant. Anyone who uses common sense can abide to 8 of TL.net Ten Commandments without actually reading them. What interests you the most here is part of the 4th one
For you this means, when you create a new thread, make sure to include content worth discussing in it. A link or youtube video is not enough. An opening post should set the tone for discussion by being thoughtful and well constructed. We will not hesitate to close threads that don't have enough OP content.
I read the ten commandments but it's not nearly specific enough. Like you say, the ten commandments are all common sense stuff mostly to eliminate trolls and spam and things like that. But it's not common sense to forgo discussing hypothetical changes to the game and what the consequences would be. That much should be clear from the sheer number of people who post about it, because they're obviously not just trolling. And not all of them are even whining. "Content worth discussing" is a highly subjective thing. If you have more specific criteria as to what constitutes "content worth discussing" then it should be made clear, if only for the sake of saving the OP's time and the moderator's time. But I also feel it would help to not make new people feel unwelcome here and reluctant to post anything, all because it's not clear what is acceptable and what isn't. It just doesn't help berating people as though it was obvious when it really wasn't, and especially when others cannot see the berating and the reasons for it once the thread has been locked anyway. But I'm not going to request that you allow balance threads, because it's your forums and that's fine. All I'm suggesting is that it be made clear somewhere in plain sight what is acceptable to discuss and what isn't, for the sake of relationships and time saved.
Or, people could understand that when entering a new community, the onus is on them to refrain from posting until they have observed what is acceptable and what is not. Unfortunately this is the internet and people have an unbelievable sense of entitlement. |
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 Divinek Canada. September 16 2010 14:53. Posts 4029 | Profile Blog # |
i think it's always been common sense, much like that guy has been talking about, to lurk a new forum for a while to see what you can post and what you can't just from the sample of threads left open, or conversely ones that end up in the closed threads forum.
It's always seemed like an ask questions and shoot later sort of thing, ya know. If people can't observe their surroundings and adapt they're not gonna be much for the sc community anyway  |
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| rozina Slovenia. September 23 2010 07:54. Posts 71 | Profile # | |
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 JWD United States. September 23 2010 09:46. Posts 12566 | Profile Blog # |
On September 23 2010 07:54 rozina wrote:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=154742A quite educational thread which could have gathered more useful tips if it were not closed. I must ask why was it closed and why with such bad manners by the admin, calling it garbage. Not very TL like if you ask me!
Well, first I'll quote the explanation that I posted in that thread, because I think it answers your question straight out:
On September 22 2010 21:39 JWD wrote:
Garbage thread, sorry.
There's no actual discussion going on here, just post count inflation. In general threads that are merely "post your X" will not fare well in this forum...
To get into more detail: SC2 General should be a place for (1) showcasing awesome / useful OPs or (2) generating useful or interesting discussion. If your thread falls into the third category of (3) a collection of one-liners, then it will have a tough time surviving in SC2 General. By and large "post your X" threads do not endure unless the individual posts in them live up to a certain standard of quality (for an example see this thread that's been living in BW for a long time now (keep in mind that it began when moderation at TL was much more lax—a different time). In that thread, each post tends to be full of pictures and great stories.
Now compare that thread to yours, which began with 5 lines of text and is littered with posts like this:
On September 21 2010 23:22 storm44 wrote:
im in diamond and I didn't know that scv's could attack lol
On September 21 2010 23:33 Iamsmart wrote:
How to research hallucination
(seriously, didn't know it exiseted, improving my PvZ drastically!)
On September 21 2010 23:54 MangoTango wrote:
Burrow is tier 2 tech. :s
I'm aware there were some useful tips in there, but that they were buried in 10 pages of junk means that the thread wasn't going to be helpful to anyone and would instead simply occupy valuable space on our sidebar.
(As I said in my post above) I'm sorry for calling the thread garbage. What I meant by that is that the thread was not up to snuff for SC2 General.
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| Shikyo Finland. September 23 2010 10:08. Posts 20579 | Profile Blog # |
^ I learned a lot of little tips and tricks from it, and I imagine many others did as well. There will always be some bad posts in pretty much every thread, doesn't mean you need to close it. There are many much worse threads left open. In fact, that thread has been more useful to me than roughly 99.50% of the strategy forum threads, and I don't see those closed so well yeah.
Don't really agree. |
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| JWD United States. September 23 2010 10:21. Posts 12566 | Profile Blog # |
| Alright I reopened the thread, it's sitting in SC2 Strategy now (feel free to bump it). We'll see what happens in there. I still think it should be closed. |
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| Shikyo Finland. September 23 2010 10:35. Posts 20579 | Profile Blog # |
| Well I agree that the thread isn't perfect and that the formatting etc. could use some work, but the idea is nice. Maybe a repost with a better OP making it into a collection on the OP for some helpful things or something... But there's too much useful info to close imo. =/ Actually I understand that decision too but yeah =P |
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| KentHenry United States. September 25 2010 07:40. Posts 260 | Profile # |
Hello, I was just wondering why my thread was closed?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=155623
I was just curious if anyone else felt if nukes needed a tweak and I was just bouncing ideas off of others. Also, the small argument between me and another member about TLO using nukes against hyberdub was my mistake, I misunderstood what he meant by nuking an empty space to stop the opponent from moving on his position. I took it as TLO was nuking an empty space and hyperdub's vikings were moving on his position. |
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| JWD United States. September 25 2010 07:48. Posts 12566 | Profile Blog # |
On September 25 2010 07:40 KentHenry wrote:Hello, I was just wondering why my thread was closed? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=155623I was just curious if anyone else felt if nukes needed a tweak and I was just bouncing ideas off of others. Also, the small argument between me and another member about TLO using nukes against hyberdub was my mistake, I misunderstood what he meant by nuking an empty space to stop the opponent from moving on his position. I took it as TLO was nuking an empty space and hyperdub's vikings were moving on his position.
It's always a tough decision to close a thread that's gone unnoticed long enough to have a few pages of discussion in it, but in the SC2 General forum there just isn't room for everyone to advocate for their pet game changes. Look in the Closed Threads forum and you will see that you weren't being singled out; I'd guess maybe 20% of the threads mods close are SC2 General threads proposing some game change. That these threads are clever or address a really important game issue is very, very rare. As such they are usually just venues for complaining/arguing about balance and marginally useful theorycrafting. We hold SC2 General to a higher standard than that. |
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| chinaski.chinaski Russian Federation. September 26 2010 18:10. Posts 81 | Profile # |
hi gents i dont fully udnerstand why you get clsoed that topic:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=148399
i feel that my topic is very well explained, is not my fault (i hope) that discussion went in wrong direction. HOVEWER some people really tried to save it and it get closed before it was a chance to surivive |
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| Chef October 03 2010 06:27. Posts 9766 | Profile Blog # |
Is there a reason a Broodwar thread got moved from a subforum called Broodwar, to a sub forum called blogs (which is for personal anecdotes)? Or is the person who did so just an idiot? Yeah, I'm guessing the latter.
BroodWar is so fucking desolate right now... It needs content damn it. Blogs gets like 100 threads a day.
User was temp banned for this post. |
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| Jibba United States. October 03 2010 06:56. Posts 20685 | Profile Blog # |
| You don't seriously think that should be a BW thread, do you? "For the good of BroodWar" isn't a good enough reason for keeping that there. |
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 Plexa Administrator October 03 2010 16:09. | Profile Blog # |
On September 26 2010 18:10 chinaski.chinaski wrote:hi gents i dont fully udnerstand why you get clsoed that topic: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=148399i feel that my topic is very well explained, is not my fault (i hope) that discussion went in wrong direction. HOVEWER some people really tried to save it and it get closed before it was a chance to surivive
We closed it because it generated discussion which was terrible. |
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| 101TFP October 10 2010 10:32. Posts 420 | Profile Blog # | |
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