 Magic84 Russian Federation. April 06 2009 01:50. Posts 1381 | Profile # |
On April 06 2009 01:44 fanatacist wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 06 2009 01:23 Magic84 wrote:
Lux is the champ and can beat bisu in bo5, why would anyone claim he can't. Bisu can be third, but if fantasy is placed behind him it would be awkward, those games were beat downs.
Bisu, the same one that stood toe-to-toe with Jaedong? Please.
Yes. I don't think jaedong has that much better zvp than lux. |
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| fanatacist April 06 2009 02:10. Posts 10000 | Profile Blog # |
3-2 over 2 years, none of them a BoX. ToTM yes, Lux will probably win. Otherwise, I doubt it. Saying that Lux can beat Bisu with such confidence is the same as saying Lux has better ZvP than Jaedong.
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On April 06 2009 01:50 Magic84 wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 06 2009 01:44 fanatacist wrote:
On April 06 2009 01:23 Magic84 wrote:
Lux is the champ and can beat bisu in bo5, why would anyone claim he can't. Bisu can be third, but if fantasy is placed behind him it would be awkward, those games were beat downs.
Bisu, the same one that stood toe-to-toe with Jaedong? Please.
Yes. I don't think jaedong has that much better zvp than lux.
Really?
I completely disagree, the finals vs. Jangbi weren't really a test of ZvP prowess, what indicators are you going by?
Although it could be just a difference of opinion, I honestly doubt it.
Results-wise, Lux has done more than Bisu this month, no one can doubt that. But Bisu isn't far off.Last edit: 2009-04-06 02:13:30 |
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| JohnBall Brazil. April 06 2009 02:17. Posts 1264 | Profile # |
Here is how it should be (in my opinion)
1- Jaedong
2- Luxury
3- Fantasy
4- Bisu
5- Jangbi
6- by.hero
7- Stork
From there on I it starts to get difficult to rank. Maybe we could see Flash, July and Leta. I think no other protoss dragon deserves the spot and there is no other zerg powerhouse doing so well either. The only terran that would deserve to be top 10, perhaps in place of July or Leta, is Hwasin.
These are my predictions  . Trying to predict PR is quite fun. |
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| fanatacist April 06 2009 02:19. Posts 10000 | Profile Blog # |
On April 06 2009 02:17 JohnBall wrote:Here is how it should be (in my opinion) 1- Jaedong 2- Luxury 3- Fantasy 4- Bisu 5- Jangbi 6- by.hero 7- Stork From there on I it starts to get difficult to rank. Maybe we could see Flash, July and Leta. I think no other protoss dragon deserves the spot and there is no other zerg powerhouse doing so well either. The only terran that would deserve to be top 10, perhaps in place of July or Leta, is Hwasin. These are my predictions . Trying to predict PR is quite fun.
No skyhigh ): |
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| JohnBall Brazil. April 06 2009 02:37. Posts 1264 | Profile # |
Skyhigh didn't do much. He single handedly beated Hwasing Oz, which is not really much to talk about once you get past Jaedong.
He surely is a rising star, tough. I am hoping that he does well on the next season individual leagues. |
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| StylishVODs Sweden. April 06 2009 03:56. Posts 4988 | Profile # |
On April 06 2009 01:50 Magic84 wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 06 2009 01:44 fanatacist wrote:
On April 06 2009 01:23 Magic84 wrote:
Lux is the champ and can beat bisu in bo5, why would anyone claim he can't. Bisu can be third, but if fantasy is placed behind him it would be awkward, those games were beat downs.
Bisu, the same one that stood toe-to-toe with Jaedong? Please.
Yes. I don't think jaedong has that much better zvp than lux.
Lux is sneaky, has some good all-in builds and decent play overall etc but in the lategame you can clearly see how much better jaedong is at zvp.
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| Jaeden Romania. April 06 2009 04:05. Posts 1489 | Profile # |
On April 06 2009 03:56 StylishVODs wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 06 2009 01:50 Magic84 wrote:
On April 06 2009 01:44 fanatacist wrote:
On April 06 2009 01:23 Magic84 wrote:
Lux is the champ and can beat bisu in bo5, why would anyone claim he can't. Bisu can be third, but if fantasy is placed behind him it would be awkward, those games were beat downs.
Bisu, the same one that stood toe-to-toe with Jaedong? Please.
Yes. I don't think jaedong has that much better zvp than lux.
Lux is sneaky, has some good all-in builds and decent play overall etc but in the lategame you can clearly see how much better jaedong is at zvp.
yep, JD clearly has a better ZvP than Lux. |
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| verzisor Romania. April 06 2009 04:15. Posts 73 | Profile # |
LOL at Lux above BiSu... fanta that is acceptable; but LUX???!!
Lux still has many problems and his victory over Jangbi wasn't impressive... and sorry to say but Lux's ZvP is weaker than JD's; so noway he can beat BiSu when JD barely did. |
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| Shikyo Finland. April 06 2009 04:51. Posts 20141 | Profile Blog # | |
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| StylishVODs Sweden. April 06 2009 04:54. Posts 4988 | Profile # |
On April 06 2009 04:51 Shikyo wrote:
Luxury's ZvP is amazing.
yeah he's really good. Its one of the best zvp out there.
But jaedong.... |
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| Darth Peter Romania. April 06 2009 05:18. Posts 438 | Profile # |
On April 06 2009 04:54 StylishVODs wrote:yeah he's really good. Its one of the best zvp out there. But jaedong....
I don't know why people consider Lux's P v Z outstanding. He is the most all-inish zerg ever. He can't win a macro match against a protoss. He wins most of his matches with all-in hydra's,or ling runby's,or 5pools,or failed all-ins by other players. He has psoitive record against Bisu because he 5pooled him two times and outplayed Bisu once,when he was in shitty form. But when they met on Destination in the PL,he couldn't even attack any of Bisu's bases. He was that dominated in that match. His Z v T and Z v Z are fucking briliant,but his P v Z is nothing special. He is like the most all-inish Zerg ever. His P v Z cannot even be compared to Jaedong's.
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| StylishVODs Sweden. April 06 2009 05:42. Posts 4988 | Profile # |
Well his zvp is more than nothing special but not comparable to the likes of july and jaedong imo.
Being able to secure a win is what matters, even if your style is aggressive. |
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| Avidkeystamper United States. April 06 2009 05:58. Posts 8551 | Profile Blog # |
On April 06 2009 05:18 Darth Peter wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 06 2009 04:54 StylishVODs wrote:
On April 06 2009 04:51 Shikyo wrote:
Luxury's ZvP is amazing.
yeah he's really good. Its one of the best zvp out there. But jaedong....
I don't know why people consider Lux's P v Z outstanding. He is the most all-inish zerg ever. He can't win a macro match against a protoss. He wins most of his matches with all-in hydra's,or ling runby's,or 5pools,or failed all-ins by other players. He has psoitive record against Bisu because he 5pooled him two times and outplayed Bisu once,when he was in shitty form. But when they met on Destination in the PL,he couldn't even attack any of Bisu's bases. He was that dominated in that match. His Z v T and Z v Z are fucking briliant,but his P v Z is nothing special. He is like the most all-inish Zerg ever. His P v Z cannot even be compared to Jaedong's.
Obviously no one would ever ever go for rush builds in a Bo5, right?! Now if you said "Lux can't beat Bisu in a Bo5 if he played standard" then I would agree with you, but then everyone plays to their strengths like Fantasy, so just by playing nonstandard doesn't make his ZvP any worse. |
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| A wise man once said that if you are not confidant in playing a given MU you are very aggressive early-game in it (like dt rushin, 5 pool stuff like that). And it totally makes sense. Lux has 0 improvement since he lost to BeSt like 3 seasons ago, he is doing the same shit all over again with the excuse of "I did this 2 hatch hydra all-in just to remind the toss players the strat is still valid" (post-match interview from the WL playoff against SKT). Well thank you very much sir. Ppl think Lux has a decent ZvP because he indeed produced some results in it (like winning MSL and WCG) but Effort for example has much more skill and understanding when it comes to this MU Last edit: 2009-04-06 06:03:45 |
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| StylishVODs Sweden. April 06 2009 06:16. Posts 4988 | Profile # |
Its his style. If it gives him wins then he's obviously good at that style.
There are lots of other gamers better than him at other styles but you can't hold it against him.
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| AzureEye United States. April 06 2009 06:23. Posts 1360 | Profile Blog # |
| when will the new PR be up? |
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| Shikyo Finland. April 06 2009 06:32. Posts 20141 | Profile Blog # |
On April 06 2009 05:18 Darth Peter wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 06 2009 04:54 StylishVODs wrote:
On April 06 2009 04:51 Shikyo wrote:
Luxury's ZvP is amazing.
yeah he's really good. Its one of the best zvp out there. But jaedong....
I don't know why people consider Lux's P v Z outstanding. He is the most all-inish zerg ever. He can't win a macro match against a protoss. He wins most of his matches with all-in hydra's,or ling runby's,or 5pools,or failed all-ins by other players. He has psoitive record against Bisu because he 5pooled him two times and outplayed Bisu once,when he was in shitty form. But when they met on Destination in the PL,he couldn't even attack any of Bisu's bases. He was that dominated in that match. His Z v T and Z v Z are fucking briliant,but his P v Z is nothing special. He is like the most all-inish Zerg ever. His P v Z cannot even be compared to Jaedong's.
His ZvP macro has impressed me the most out of all the Zergs except possibly July :/ |
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| deathgodtoss Korea (North). April 06 2009 07:13. Posts 189 | Profile # |
new power rankkkkkkk~~
jaedong, lux, fantasy, jangbi bisu, byhero and nada~ the rest, whatever |
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| Jaeden Romania. April 06 2009 07:18. Posts 1489 | Profile # |
On April 06 2009 04:15 verzisor wrote:
LOL at Lux above BiSu... fanta that is acceptable; but LUX???!!
Lux still has many problems and his victory over Jangbi wasn't impressive... and sorry to say but Lux's ZvP is weaker than JD's; so noway he can beat BiSu when JD barely did.
yeah, Lux has a weaker ZvP than JD, and JD barely defeat Bisu, but that certainly doesnt mean that Lux cannot defeat Bisu  |
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| TwoToneTerran United States. April 06 2009 07:39. Posts 7990 | Profile # |
On April 06 2009 04:15 verzisor wrote:
LOL at Lux above BiSu... fanta that is acceptable; but LUX???!!
Lux still has many problems and his victory over Jangbi wasn't impressive... and sorry to say but Lux's ZvP is weaker than JD's; so noway he can beat BiSu when JD barely did.
A gold medal is better than an 0-3 semis stomping. Everyone knows that only JD, Flash, and maybe a couple up-and-comers like by.hero and Leta can play on the same level as Bisu, but it means jack all if Bisu isn't playing at his usual top form. Bisu has been getting trashed by his former 'bonjwa' level match up in Zerg, is getting wrecked 0-3 in PvT when titles are on the line, and only has his PvP showings lately to show for his trouble.
He's capable of being on top of everyone in the PR, but this month? After getting trashed 0-3, while Lux goes to dominate an MSL final and come up with the gold?
Bisu's lucky if he gets fourth place right now. |
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