Power Rank 04/10/2009

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Avidkeystamper United States. May 11 2009 03:33. Posts 8551

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Don't ruin the surprise. Shh...

Jaedong

fanatacist May 11 2009 04:21. Posts 10000

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I think Fantasy is definitely playing more creatively and seems to be trying harder than the other 3 players currently at the top or close to it (J.B.F., if you know what I mean. Jangbi is in a hole crying right now, btw.). When he wins against weaker players like Frozean, who isn't the noobiest of the pros but isn't someone you brag about beating either, he does it with extra flair because of that. However, as others have mentioned, his last few games where he played bio were an eyesore. Bio should be the foundation of Terran in TvZ, despite the mech "revolution," especially since so many new maps are coming out that are unfavorable for mech (at least I think so, I could be wrong). Being bested by what we would expect to be inferior players to Fantasy is not something to be taken lightly.

Of course, Fantasy is a monster, pushing Jaedong just as far as Bisu did in their series, except in an OSL finals setting (more impressive obviously). But that was THEN. At this moment, I would not put him above Bisu, because even if Bisu isn't working as hard as Fantasy and therefore does not look as deadly against lesser opponents, he is getting better results and I don't think it's a sign of lack of skill when he doesn't pour his heart out into a game that he can win by being more conservative. Bisu is a weathered progamer, he seems to be pacing himself in my eyes. Or he's just cocky. Either way, his play did not have the same fatal endings that Fantasy's TvZ did.

1. Bisu
2. Fantasy

The rest, I honestly have no idea. Lux and Jangbi probably off the list, Flash still on it, maybe add Zero (eh).

Let me know what you think, Steve?

P.S.: Good luck to the next PR writer!

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Avidkeystamper United States. May 11 2009 04:26. Posts 8551

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I'm sure all of the top players (Flash/Bisu/JD/Fantasy) are working as hard as ever but the difference is how they focus their time. Fantasy probably is devoting more time to new strategies and such.

Jaedong

fanatacist May 11 2009 04:33. Posts 10000

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On May 11 2009 04:26 Avidkeystamper wrote:
I'm sure all of the top players (Flash/Bisu/JD/Fantasy) are working as hard as ever but the difference is how they focus their time. Fantasy probably is devoting more time to new strategies and such.

That's a fair point. I guess that's what I meant by trying harder.

Peace~

Mooncat Germany. May 11 2009 06:42. Posts 1228

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I really love how people are discussing stats and everything but... would you please just watch the games?

Watch fantasy's last 10 and Bisu's last 10. Can you seriously tell me that Bisu's play is looking stronger? fantasy is more creative, smart and deadly right now.

Also the "Bisu is just playing as good as he is forced too, etc. blah" argument doesn't count, because a player's strength is not measured by how well he COULD have played if he wanted to, but by what he has actually SHOWN.

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Avidkeystamper United States. May 11 2009 07:06. Posts 8551

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Um, by watching their last 10 games, Bisu is playing better, since Fantasy really sucked it up in the last two games.

Jaedong

fanatacist May 11 2009 07:31. Posts 10000

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On May 11 2009 06:42 Mooncat wrote:
I really love how people are discussing stats and everything but... would you please just watch the games?

Watch fantasy's last 10 and Bisu's last 10. Can you seriously tell me that Bisu's play is looking stronger? fantasy is more creative, smart and deadly right now.

Also the "Bisu is just playing as good as he is forced too, etc. blah" argument doesn't count, because a player's strength is not measured by how well he COULD have played if he wanted to, but by what he has actually SHOWN.

Why go all-out like he did vs. Jaedong when fighting scrubs?

Even then, playing against weaker players makes it hard to play top-of-the-line revolutionary omfg style.

Peace~

MoRe_mInErAls Canada. May 11 2009 08:09. Posts 1210

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Jaedong should only lose #1 if he is eliminated from MSL. No champion practices the week after OSL finals anyway, give credit where it's due

latent United States. May 11 2009 08:28. Posts 428

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I don't know what you mean when you say Bisu's games demonstrate weakness. He consistently demonstrates an ability to multi-task head and shoulders above his competition. Even if he makes mistakes he subsequently turns it up a notch and rolls over his opponent.

Let's look at Fantasy. He has wins against *zergbong*, *Frozean*, and Anytime. As much as I love Anytime, he's *2-8* in his last 10. I don't understand how you can talk about the "creativity" of Fantasy's wins against such low quality players.

Now look at who Bisu has won against. We're talking about Sair, Calm, Light, Zero, Leta!!! These are no pushovers. They're all recognizable high-quality competitors. Bisu absolutely demolished his zerg opponents, including his mini-nemesis Zero. They never even had a chance. His game against Light was so multi-tasking intensive I doubt any Protoss besides Bisu could have pulled out the win. He just beat someone whose only 2 losses against Protoss have been against Bisu. Shouldn't that be enough to put the Revolutionist on top?

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Man, I dont know about fantasy #1. I just dont feel he is the best atm. Thou he is indeed showing very impressive play and some of his games are just eye-candies, but he lack the consistency of Bisu and KTY is still without a doubt the ace card in the SKT house. I would rather have JD on the top for another month, fantasy is just not there yet

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TwoToneTerran United States. May 11 2009 09:19. Posts 7990

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On May 11 2009 02:41 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
jesus

you guys watch fantasy's games and bisu's games and you don't see a CLEAR difference?

Yeah, Bisu plays characteristically, Fantasy can't even pull off preschool bionic half the time. :>

Fantasy hasn't been any more particularly impressive than when he trashed Bisu 0:3. As a matter of fact, I'd say while he's performing adequately, his in-game play is just his normal routine. He hasn't become some amazing juggernaut you're making him out to be -- not anymore than he was in april. And while that could put him in front of Jaedong who started to slump in april (as per usual), it's no excuse to put him past Bisu who is on a really good tear in PL.

I don't have a problem with JD dropping to third (even though his last two games showed a little bit of that luster he used to have, good ol May rejuvination), but saying fantasy has somehow surpassed Bisu decisively is a little silly, considering Fantasy's losses in PL lately.

I'd also like to clarify, I *really* dislike Bisu and his overly annoying fanbase, much more than I dislike Fantasy, but I have no delusions that Bisu has been playing tougher opponents and getting more wins.

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fanatacist May 11 2009 10:00. Posts 10000

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I think Bisu should be #1 honestly.

Peace~

Jaeden Romania. May 11 2009 13:13. Posts 1489

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If anyone should take the #1 spot from Jaedong...that's Bisu.

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Nylan United States. May 11 2009 13:20. Posts 795

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I can't believe how underrated creativity is these days.

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Avidkeystamper United States. May 11 2009 13:25. Posts 8551

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I'm pretty sure this is the power rank, and not the creativity rank.

Jaedong

fanatacist May 11 2009 14:49. Posts 10000

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On May 11 2009 13:25 Avidkeystamper wrote:
I'm pretty sure this is the power rank, and not the creativity rank.

QFT.

Peace~

Scamp United States. May 11 2009 15:46. Posts 972

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Maybe no one should be number 1 and it should just be left blank.

I know that isn't going to happen but that's kind of how I feel about it right now.

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De4ngus United States. May 11 2009 16:24. Posts 4979

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On May 11 2009 15:46 Scamp wrote:
Maybe no one should be number 1 and it should just be left blank.

I know that isn't going to happen but that's kind of how I feel about it right now.

Not really. Bisu is playing much better than Fantasy. I don't care how creative Fantasy's play is. Bisu is still the better player right now. Like someone said, this is the power rank, not the creativity rank. Also, Steve said to watch the games, and after watching Fantasy fail epically trying to go bio, TWICE, I don't know why the heck he should be above Bisu, who only lost to the great contain with sick obs sniping.

Speaking of Great, that guy deserves at least #10. He's the only one keeping Samsung alive at the moment, and the only one who took a game off of Bisu since the last PR. He was also on a 6 game win streak until he randomly lost a ZvZ yesterday.

GANDHISAUCE

FakeSteve[TPR] Valhalla. May 11 2009 16:48. Posts 17062

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I'm really glad none of you have any chance at taking over the PR in my absence

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