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 Roffles  Tuvalu. June 12 2009 08:00. Posts 14416 | Profile Blog # |
On June 12 2009 07:46 Guybrush wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 12 2009 07:16 Fontong wrote:
On June 12 2009 06:55 FabledIntegral wrote:Personally, if you look at WHO he has beaten, it isn't a highly impressive array of victims. No doubt he's absolutely tearing it up, but at the same time, I think there's little question that Jaedong and Bisu are still better. + Show Spoiler +Jaedong dropping one game doesn't mean shittt I voted an equal mix of random + effort improving. He's prob a top 5 player now though, underneath Flash, Jaedong, Bisu, and one other random player I'm not thinking about.
Yeah, beating Jaedong, Luxury, Stork, free, Mind, Hiya, July, fOrGG, and Flash means NOTHING. Seriously, anyone could do this. Even fucking tester could go on a 10 game streak playing scrubs like the ones Effort has played. God, may as well get some random BGHer on East to play these people - no doubt he would at least go 50/50. qft man, qft
Dont mess with  Tester, he has 100% wins against  Jaedong AND  Flash.
Holy shit, Tester really is undefeated vs Jaedong and Flash. That's pretty creepy. |
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| ZidaneTribal United States. June 12 2009 08:02. Posts 2638 | Profile # |
On June 12 2009 06:55 FabledIntegral wrote:Personally, if you look at WHO he has beaten, it isn't a highly impressive array of victims. No doubt he's absolutely tearing it up, but at the same time, I think there's little question that Jaedong and Bisu are still better. + Show Spoiler +Jaedong dropping one game doesn't mean shittt I voted an equal mix of random + effort improving. He's prob a top 5 player now though, underneath Flash, Jaedong, Bisu, and one other random player I'm not thinking about.
no one said effort was better than bisu/jaedong. |
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| thopol Japan. June 12 2009 08:06. Posts 4495 | Profile Blog # |
| Just watch his play. It's clearly skill that has gotten him this streak. He displays immaculate mechanics, timing, and strategy along with the star-sense of a master. |
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 Hot_Bid Administrator June 12 2009 08:06. | Profile Blog # |
cj house is interesting, i think they practice very hard but often their younger players have nerves on TV. this was the case with kwanro (who recently seems to be doing better) and also skyhigh, who did great on offline prelims (like 14-0 to start) but was bad his first few TV matches.
effort has been the best zerg on CJ for quite some time now, almost 9 months:
On October 28 2008 04:39 Hot_Bid wrote:
Yes, it was the Zerg-favored Raid Assault, but MJY is 3-0 in PL and 5-0 since "The Destroyer Proclaimation". Savior winning was great, but I was actually way more excited by EffOrt's play. After steamrolling a generic SKT1 Zerg, EffOrt faced off in the ace match against Oov's golden boy and crushed Fantasy's "revolutionary" valkyrie build as if he was Mao ZeDong reincarnated. I can't wait to watch this kid more. If you want to watch more EffOrt, check out the first game of his GOM series with Hwasin.
here is what i think about him:
On December 04 2008 06:51 Hot_Bid wrote:
let me explain something about effort, and why there's so much good feeling about him. effort is irrevocably tied to savior. he is his true apprentice, his home grown little brother. idra says that savior loves effort, i'm sure even more than the coaches do. he's more like a young, modern savior than kwanro or jy or orion ever was. he's his heir. when cj fans and savior fans watch effort, we see a young ma jae yoon, someone with infinite possibilities and whose play reminds us so much of the old maestro its scary. most of all, when we watch effort play, we remember. we remember a dominant ma jae yoon who had been so abruptly taken from us. we remember the savior who we wish so badly to return. before bisu, before FBH, before his current painful struggles. effort represents both hope for the future and the legacy of the past, merged into one talented, hard working, fierce looking kid.
i am basing this solely off of what i see during CJ proleague matches, but the kid cares. he's a team player, he's humble, and he's come up through one of the most difficult team practice systems out there. ever since the team-ceremonies that xellos, much, and iris did to stick it to FBH when savior was slumping, i've loved CJ more and more. effort is a continuation of that and of all the things i've mentioned above with relation to our memories of savior. even his name is representative of this. his choice of ID is not one that represents a sun god or jesus or even something that's cool like bisu or shark. it's an ID that embodies the CJ spirit more than anything. it's all you need to be a good teammate, to win. if CJ could be embodied in one noun, it'd be effort.
to us CJ fans, he means much more than just the next big zerg player.
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| Fr33t United States. June 12 2009 08:09. Posts 1128 | Profile # |
Meh, it's a pretty impressive streak, but you really must take a good luck at just who he has been playing. Sure, he has had quite a few big wins against the top players on the scene right now, but that only counts for a small portion of the 28 games you listed. What about all the filler in between?
+ Show Spoiler +doctor.k (lol)
ganzi (lol)
free (2-8 oh boy)
hyun (3-7 woah!)
lucifer (even better 1-9)
forgg (nuff said)
pure (2-8)
ruby*2 (2-8)
july (3 zvz wins in the past year)
bogus (who?)
baby (3-7 watch game against JD for lulz)
hiya (hiya's TvZ T_T)
He has certainly come a long way in these 28 games considering that he was on a 5 game losing streak going into them, but imo he is still only top 5. It is going to be very interesting to see if he can keep this up through the SL's and earn a title. |
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| Piste Finland. June 12 2009 08:12. Posts 4715 | Profile Blog # |
| bisu and jaedong are still better than effort. |
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 SuperArc Austria. June 12 2009 08:13. Posts 7781 | Profile Blog # |
On June 12 2009 08:06 Hot_Bid wrote:cj house is interesting, i think they practice very hard but often their younger players have nerves on TV. this was the case with kwanro (who recently seems to be doing better) and also skyhigh, who did great on offline prelims (like 14-0 to start) but was bad his first few TV matches. effort has been the best zerg on CJ for quite some time now, almost 9 months:
Show nested quote +On October 28 2008 04:39 Hot_Bid wrote:
Yes, it was the Zerg-favored Raid Assault, but MJY is 3-0 in PL and 5-0 since "The Destroyer Proclaimation". Savior winning was great, but I was actually way more excited by EffOrt's play. After steamrolling a generic SKT1 Zerg, EffOrt faced off in the ace match against Oov's golden boy and crushed Fantasy's "revolutionary" valkyrie build as if he was Mao ZeDong reincarnated. I can't wait to watch this kid more. If you want to watch more EffOrt, check out the first game of his GOM series with Hwasin.
here is what i think about him:
Show nested quote +On December 04 2008 06:51 Hot_Bid wrote:
let me explain something about effort, and why there's so much good feeling about him. effort is irrevocably tied to savior. he is his true apprentice, his home grown little brother. idra says that savior loves effort, i'm sure even more than the coaches do. he's more like a young, modern savior than kwanro or jy or orion ever was. he's his heir. when cj fans and savior fans watch effort, we see a young ma jae yoon, someone with infinite possibilities and whose play reminds us so much of the old maestro its scary. most of all, when we watch effort play, we remember. we remember a dominant ma jae yoon who had been so abruptly taken from us. we remember the savior who we wish so badly to return. before bisu, before FBH, before his current painful struggles. effort represents both hope for the future and the legacy of the past, merged into one talented, hard working, fierce looking kid.
i am basing this solely off of what i see during CJ proleague matches, but the kid cares. he's a team player, he's humble, and he's come up through one of the most difficult team practice systems out there. ever since the team-ceremonies that xellos, much, and iris did to stick it to FBH when savior was slumping, i've loved CJ more and more. effort is a continuation of that and of all the things i've mentioned above with relation to our memories of savior. even his name is representative of this. his choice of ID is not one that represents a sun god or jesus or even something that's cool like bisu or shark. it's an ID that embodies the CJ spirit more than anything. it's all you need to be a good teammate, to win. if CJ could be embodied in one noun, it'd be effort.
to us CJ fans, he means much more than just the next big zerg player.
I love the 2nd post and agree wholeheartedly |
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| MasterReY Germany. June 12 2009 08:14. Posts 2590 | Profile Blog # |
| i noticed that about 1-2 weeks ago and was following his match list since then^^ |
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| B1nary Canada. June 12 2009 08:15. Posts 1054 | Profile Blog # |
Hot Bid, that post brought a tear to my eye. Neo Savior fighting!
Idra, if you ever read this, some insider information would be greatly appreciated. How good is he in practice? Does he really have a mentor/mentee relationship with savior? |
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| JohnBall Brazil. June 12 2009 08:24. Posts 1266 | Profile # |
I am all for Effort and he is playing very well lately. However, he still will not be at the very top until he makes it into the final of a starleague.
Great player, anyway. |
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| Hot_Bid Administrator June 12 2009 08:27. | Profile Blog # |
On June 12 2009 08:24 JohnBall wrote:
I am all for Effort and he is playing very well lately. However, he still will not be at the very top until he makes it into the final of a starleague.
Great player, anyway.
i think this goes without saying, of course he will have to win a league in order to be at the very top |
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| anderoo Canada. June 12 2009 08:29. Posts 1876 | Profile Blog # |
effort is a beast, #2 zerg only behind Jaedong for sure
btw, am i going blind? where is everyone seeing "Effort is better than jaedong/bisu!" obviously bisu/jd are the kings of starcraft, but Effort is next inline for jaedong's throneLast edit: 2009-06-12 08:31:10 |
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| Avidkeystamper United States. June 12 2009 08:31. Posts 8551 | Profile Blog # |
| Since I play zerg and love to cheer for them, I hope he does better on his first real run in a SL than Leta did. |
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| foeffa Belgium. June 12 2009 08:44. Posts 2058 | Profile Blog # |
On June 12 2009 08:06 Hot_Bid wrote:+ Show Spoiler +let me explain something about effort, and why there's so much good feeling about him. effort is irrevocably tied to savior. he is his true apprentice, his home grown little brother. idra says that savior loves effort, i'm sure even more than the coaches do. he's more like a young, modern savior than kwanro or jy or orion ever was. he's his heir. when cj fans and savior fans watch effort, we see a young ma jae yoon, someone with infinite possibilities and whose play reminds us so much of the old maestro its scary. most of all, when we watch effort play, we remember. we remember a dominant ma jae yoon who had been so abruptly taken from us. we remember the savior who we wish so badly to return. before bisu, before FBH, before his current painful struggles. effort represents both hope for the future and the legacy of the past, merged into one talented, hard working, fierce looking kid.
i am basing this solely off of what i see during CJ proleague matches, but the kid cares. he's a team player, he's humble, and he's come up through one of the most difficult team practice systems out there. ever since the team-ceremonies that xellos, much, and iris did to stick it to FBH when savior was slumping, i've loved CJ more and more. effort is a continuation of that and of all the things i've mentioned above with relation to our memories of savior. even his name is representative of this. his choice of ID is not one that represents a sun god or jesus or even something that's cool like bisu or shark. it's an ID that embodies the CJ spirit more than anything. it's all you need to be a good teammate, to win. if CJ could be embodied in one noun, it'd be effort.
to us CJ fans, he means much more than just the next big zerg player.
Wow that really sums up what I think about Effort ànd CJ, couldn't have said it better. :o I love CJ and what CJ stands for as a team, I admire Effort and what Effort stands for as a player. |
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| DarkOptik June 12 2009 08:54. Posts 452 | Profile Blog # |
Effort reminds me a lot of Leta during his dominating Proleague days. Of course, the calibur of the Leta's opponents can be argued to be less than that of Effort's, but the comparison is still somewhat valid.
He boasted a similiar record of something like 25-4:
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| SuperArc Austria. June 12 2009 08:56. Posts 7781 | Profile Blog # |
On June 12 2009 08:54 DarkOptik wrote:Effort reminds me a lot of Leta during his dominating Proleague days. Of course, the calibur of the Leta's opponents can be argued to be less than that of Effort's, but the comparison is still somewhat valid. He boasted a similiar record of something like 25-4: + Show Spoiler +
And Leta started sucking after Savior schooled him. <3 |
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| PH United States. June 12 2009 08:59. Posts 6097 | Profile Blog # |
Effort made his debut by beating down Tossgirl 2-0 in GOM...I remember...haha.
Then everyone was talking shit on Tossgirl for getting owned by a complete nobody no one had ever heard of.
Then Effort started making waves...and now this??
The guy is a great player. |
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 Harem United States. June 12 2009 09:00. Posts 9351 | Profile # |
On June 12 2009 08:59 PH wrote:
Effort made his debut by beating down Tossgirl 2-0 in GOM...I remember...haha.
Then everyone was talking shit on Tossgirl for getting owned by a complete nobody no one had ever heard of.
Then Effort started making waves...and now this??
The guy is a great player.
No, Effort actually lost a game to Tossgirl.
He has come so far since then~ |
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| stroggos New Zealand. June 12 2009 09:02. Posts 1543 | Profile # |
| no random varience could do could account for this awesome win streak. If you think its only out of 28 occurances, you have to take into account every great play in every game that has made this guy win. |
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 Heyoka Administrator June 12 2009 09:17. | Profile Blog # |
PL/GOM winrates tend to be inflated for players who are above average, so the chance of it being random variance is considerably higher than it looks.
That being said he has looked very good against tough opponents so it feels pretty safe to say hes a beast. |
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