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 Jonvvv Norway. July 07 2009 08:36. Posts 1487 | Profile Blog # |
| Should Flash or Bisu get the 4th? Flash looked bad in todays PL games. What do you guys think? |
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| LucasWoJ United States. July 07 2009 08:54. Posts 915 | Profile Blog # |
| Bisu 4th, Flash 5th (only because Bisu has been very good recently (last 5 games) and Flash has been bad.) |
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| Rostam United States. July 07 2009 08:57. Posts 2484 | Profile Blog # |
| Bisu should definitely be 4th, he had some tough losses right after the last PR but he's been winning and seems pretty stable as the best Protoss player in all three matchups whereas Flash has seemed very questionable in both TvZ and TvP. |
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| vishrut United States. July 07 2009 09:48. Posts 567 | Profile # |
bisu and effort are really close - both have 3 losses since last pr
bisu lost to some worse opponents but also beat harder opponents too
imo bisu should be 3 and effort 4 |
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| B1nary Canada. July 07 2009 09:56. Posts 1051 | Profile Blog # |
| It's kind of hard to place Effort at this point. He hasn't been playing too many games in PL. I don't think it's reasonable to punish him for losing to Jaedong but that loss to Iron looked pretty bad... Right now, I'd say Bisu > Effort > FlaSh, but that can easily change. |
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| TwoToneTerran United States. July 07 2009 10:21. Posts 7990 | Profile # |
| I wouldn't bat an eye to dropping Flash loooow to like 8th or 9th behind Calm and Kal who are playing wonderfully and get no respect. Flash is still alive in MSL and GOM, but his OSL and PL performances outweigh those easymode groups/series. He seems incapable of beating anyone even just High A-Class that isn't another Terran. |
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| Rostam United States. July 07 2009 10:32. Posts 2484 | Profile Blog # |
On July 07 2009 10:21 TwoToneTerran wrote:
I wouldn't bat an eye to dropping Flash loooow to like 8th or 9th behind Calm and Kal who are playing wonderfully and get no respect. Flash is still alive in MSL and GOM, but his OSL and PL performances outweigh those easymode groups/series. He seems incapable of beating anyone even just High A-Class that isn't another Terran.
I don't agree. Calm is only in one individual league while Flash is in 3. Since the last Power Rank, Flash has played more than twice as many games as Calm and won most of them. His TvZ/TvP may not be worth much but it's enough to let him crush everyone except the very best ZvT/PvT players the vast majority of the time. (And the only reason I say "vast majority" instead of "all" is because of the Backho game, but I'm not convinced that he's going to start wildly dropping games to random noobs.) And there's no way in hell he should fall behind Kal.
People are quick to forgive Jaedong for his slip-ups because of his schedule and put him at #1 (which I completely agree with), Flash shouldn't be dropped that low because of a few losses when he's had a schedule that's almost as bad. #5 seems completely appropriate, because really there's just nobody who's been standing out enough to plausibly put above him. |
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| TwoToneTerran United States. July 07 2009 11:38. Posts 7990 | Profile # |
Yeah but Flash seems to be the opposite of Jaedong right now. He drops every clutch game to ever need clutching. His 2-0 of the MSL happened with this rank. He's doing poorly in the OSL. He's doing well in GOM but hasn't had the toughest competition -- or even tough competition at all. That leaves proleague, and we all know what's up with that.
You want to say he crushes everyone but they very best ZvT and PvT, but frankly, Kal and Calm aren't the very best ZvT and PvT -- A class for sure, but not even high A Class. I can excuse Flash dropping TvZs to Jaedong, Arnc, and Effort, because those guys are the three best. But Calm is in the same breath with a few other zergs I could think of, honestly, and is definitely a notch below what we should expect from Flash.
The game against Kal is a little more forgiveable. While Destination is supposedly Flash's map, it's still p favored and even he, the guy with the best record on it, went into it 4-3 with most of his wins against chumps. But he played abysmally both matches. He's played abysmally in the OSL. The games he wins are either technical exercises that, yes, Flash can still own chumps, or games where he should've lost and the only reason he won is because of the incompetence of his opponent (FBH and Shuttle) -- even if he won by his brilliance capitalizing on their incompetence.
He's pretty much a shoe in to lose his OSL group and cost KT their finals playoff because he got 0-2'd by people everyone expected him to beat. He had a decent run leading up to this, but it's pretty hard to shrug off a crashing that's ruined two leagues for him/his team.Last edit: 2009-07-07 11:50:47 |
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| qrs United States. July 07 2009 12:36. Posts 3498 | Profile Blog # |
On July 07 2009 11:38 TwoToneTerran wrote:
He's pretty much a shoe in to lose his OSL group and cost KT their finals playoff because he got 0-2'd by people everyone expected him to beat. He had a decent run leading up to this, but it's pretty hard to shrug off a crashing that's ruined two leagues for him/his team.
I don't think that Flash is a shoo-in to lose his OSL group at all. Assuming that Jaedong beats FakeYellow, as is highly likely, it's all up to Flash. If he beats Effort, which he certainly can, he'll be in a playoff with FakeYellow and Effort for the 2nd spot--with just as much chance for it as they have. |
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| Rostam United States. July 07 2009 12:40. Posts 2484 | Profile Blog # |
I'm not suggesting you shrug it off, I'm saying he deserves #5. Who else would get it? Sure, he sucked in the OSL, but it's obvious he's struggling in TvZ right now. You say Calm is in the same breath with a few other zergs, but who else besides the 3 zergs Flash faced in OSL can even touch Calm in ZvT right now? And Kal may not have the name value of Stork or Jangbi, but I think his performance in that game speaks for itself.
Yeah, okay, he cost KT their playoff spot. You want to bump him to #9 in the rank because he has a worse team than Calm or Jaedong? Show me who deserves to be above him other than JD/Fantasy/Bisu/Effort. |
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| Oystein Norway. July 07 2009 12:40. Posts 1558 | Profile Blog # |
On July 07 2009 12:36 qrs wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 07 2009 11:38 TwoToneTerran wrote:
He's pretty much a shoe in to lose his OSL group and cost KT their finals playoff because he got 0-2'd by people everyone expected him to beat. He had a decent run leading up to this, but it's pretty hard to shrug off a crashing that's ruined two leagues for him/his team.
I don't think that Flash is a shoo-in to lose his OSL group at all. Assuming that Jaedong beats FakeYellow, as is highly likely, it's all up to Flash. If he beats Effort, which he certainly can, he'll be in a playoff with FakeYellow and Effort for the 2nd spot--with just as much chance for it as they have.
So needing help from Jaedong, winning his own game vs a good Effort and then continue to have to 2-0 Effort and Yarnc in the tiebreakers to advance is not looking like trouble to you? |
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| qrs United States. July 07 2009 13:07. Posts 3498 | Profile Blog # |
On July 07 2009 12:40 Oystein wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 07 2009 12:36 qrs wrote:
On July 07 2009 11:38 TwoToneTerran wrote:
He's pretty much a shoe in to lose his OSL group and cost KT their finals playoff because he got 0-2'd by people everyone expected him to beat. He had a decent run leading up to this, but it's pretty hard to shrug off a crashing that's ruined two leagues for him/his team.
I don't think that Flash is a shoo-in to lose his OSL group at all. Assuming that Jaedong beats FakeYellow, as is highly likely, it's all up to Flash. If he beats Effort, which he certainly can, he'll be in a playoff with FakeYellow and Effort for the 2nd spot--with just as much chance for it as they have.
So needing help from Jaedong, winning his own game vs a good Effort and then continue to have to 2-0 Effort and Yarnc in the tiebreakers to advance is not looking like trouble to you?
Not saying he's a shoo-in to win, either, just that he has a chance.
You want some arbitrary numbers? OK, let's say that Jaedong has an 85% chance of beating Yarnc, and Flash has a 50-50 chance against Effort. That would be a 42.5% chance of making it to a tie-break. Let's say they all have an even chance in the tie-break: that gives Flash around a 14% chance of advancing.
Besides, as long as Jaedong beats Yarnc, whether Flash advances or not is in his own hands. So, no, I don't think that it's a shoo-in that Flash will lose. |
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| Oystein Norway. July 07 2009 13:35. Posts 1558 | Profile Blog # |
On July 07 2009 13:07 qrs wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 07 2009 12:40 Oystein wrote:
On July 07 2009 12:36 qrs wrote:
On July 07 2009 11:38 TwoToneTerran wrote:
He's pretty much a shoe in to lose his OSL group and cost KT their finals playoff because he got 0-2'd by people everyone expected him to beat. He had a decent run leading up to this, but it's pretty hard to shrug off a crashing that's ruined two leagues for him/his team.
I don't think that Flash is a shoo-in to lose his OSL group at all. Assuming that Jaedong beats FakeYellow, as is highly likely, it's all up to Flash. If he beats Effort, which he certainly can, he'll be in a playoff with FakeYellow and Effort for the 2nd spot--with just as much chance for it as they have.
So needing help from Jaedong, winning his own game vs a good Effort and then continue to have to 2-0 Effort and Yarnc in the tiebreakers to advance is not looking like trouble to you?
Not saying he's a shoo-in to win, either, just that he has a chance. You want some arbitrary numbers? OK, let's say that Jaedong has an 85% chance of beating Yarnc, and Flash has a 50-50 chance against Effort. That would be a 42.5% chance of making it to a tie-break. Let's say they all have an even chance in the tie-break: that gives Flash around a 14% chance of advancing. Besides, as long as Jaedong beats Yarnc, whether Flash advances or not is in his own hands. So, no, I don't think that it's a shoo-in that Flash will lose.
Given your own percentages Flash will exit the OSL 6 out of 7 times, in my world that is a rather shitty situation to be in. Also with Flashs rather dubious TvZ lately vs good ZvT player I think you might just be giving him to much of a chance also. However if he should manage to qualify, and if anyone can do it its Flash, I would love too see it happen since its always nice to see Flash play. |
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| Tyxiquale Australia. July 07 2009 13:53. Posts 424 | Profile # |
Trip down memory lane. Bacchus '08 (The Flash OSL)
End of Group stages:
Stork 3-0
Flash 1-2
Rumble 1-2
Rock 1-2
If jaedong wins tmr, and flash wins this friday night, he will find himself in EXACTLY the same position as last year, where he won the OSL. Although rock and rumble is NO WHERE near as good as either of yarnc or effort, or even their grandma's dog's left testicle, but I still believe.
What happens next is history, but just to remind those out there of what happened, here is a quick recap.
Flash enters god mode.
2-0 rumble, rock
2-1 Jaedong
3-1 Bisu
3-0 Stork
Flash, I believe!!!Last edit: 2009-07-07 13:53:47 |
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| Railz United States. July 07 2009 15:13. Posts 1448 | Profile # |
Will July get in it for GOM  July in July! |
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| kaliax United States. July 07 2009 18:30. Posts 48 | Profile # |
Worked last year for July. =]
When should we expect the Power Rank this month? |
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 SuperArc Austria. July 07 2009 21:59. Posts 7781 | Profile Blog # |
On July 07 2009 18:30 kaliax wrote:
Worked last year for July. =]
When should we expect the Power Rank this month?
today |
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| TwoToneTerran United States. July 07 2009 22:59. Posts 7990 | Profile # |
On July 07 2009 12:40 Rostam wrote:
I'm not suggesting you shrug it off, I'm saying he deserves #5. Who else would get it?
Leta Kal and Calm all deserve it as much if not more for this 'month.' Leta's doing well in OSL and PL. Kal's win in MSL was of course around the same time as Flash and since then he's not folded to every S-Class or high A Class player he meets. We all know Calm is overdo.
Zergs about as good as Calm: By.hero, Zero, Kwanro. Obviously less consistent but definitely as good, if not better. |
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| vishrut United States. July 08 2009 00:24. Posts 567 | Profile # |
wouldnt be too surprising to see jaedong second and fantasy first now
i think it should be something like this:
fantasy
jaedong
bisu
effort
flash
leta
kal
calm
someone else |
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| FragKrag United States. July 08 2009 01:11. Posts 11068 | Profile Blog # |
Something like
1. Jaedong
2. EffOrt
3. Fantasy
4. Bisu
5. Flash
6. Leta
7. Violet
8. Calm
9. great
10. Stork |
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