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| TwoToneTerran United States. July 30 2009 21:38. Posts 7990 | Profile # |
On July 30 2009 21:21 samachking wrote:
Why is Fantasy Jaedongs competition and not Bisu? Help me understand this, didnt Bisu destroy Fantasy 2-0? And neither of them played much games this month due to being in 1 league each + in the PL finals already. If anything, Jaedongs competition is Iris if he 3-0s Bisu and performs well vs Oz and depends on GOM finals timing.
Eh, both made their way to the Ro8 in their respective tournaments, but Fantasy is the one with a game up whereas Bisu is the one a game down in their respective series.
It's like when Bisu got ranked over Fantasy even when Fantasy 3-0'd him. A sketchy decision decided by other factors.
Though Iris most definitely should be up on the rank. I'd expect him to be 4th or 5th right now.
I figure the rank ought to look something like this if it had to go up before the OSL quarters:
Jaedong
Fantasy/Bisu
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Iris
Effort (could be lower but I feel bad judging him harshly after that monster run against samsung because of ZvZ BO losses)
Zero (still alive in both leagues!)
Calm/Yarnc (Both doing well in one league but botched/helped botched their PL playoff games)
Calm/Yarnc
Flash
Canata (barely alive in a league, but a shoe in for a PL finals spot and still did really well this season)
CBNC to Leta, Type B, Kwanro, Movie and maybe one of the samsung players |
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| Eg! Belgium. July 30 2009 22:06. Posts 49 | Profile # |
Every time I see this beautiful PR these days, I want time to freeze so that nothing changes - so that JD is forever on top!
August stay away. |
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| Nylan United States. July 30 2009 22:39. Posts 795 | Profile Blog # |
| Canata pushed JD to the limit and had godly SK control...why would he drop in the rank? |
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| Geo.Rion Hungary. July 31 2009 00:10. Posts 5350 | Profile Blog # |
On July 30 2009 22:39 Nylan wrote:
Canata pushed JD to the limit and had godly SK control...why would he drop in the rank?
there's certainly no reason to drop Canata on a lower spot. |
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| raga4ka Bulgaria. July 31 2009 01:09. Posts 5002 | Profile # |
On July 30 2009 22:39 Nylan wrote:
Canata pushed JD to the limit and had godly SK control...why would he drop in the rank?
Canata played really well the whole series , definitely past my expectations . I think he shouldn't drop and depending on his showing against fantasy he should move up a few spots . |
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 Gormaol United States. July 31 2009 01:13. Posts 27 | Profile # |
| Yeah, I have to concede that even though I'm a Zerg fanatic and spew venom at Terrans for my peace of mind (lol), his cheese rushes and follow-up bo in his MSL games against Jaedong were impressive. And in the games where he didn't cheese, his mid game had greater than normal aggressiveness for a TvZ, and was laudable as a playstyle. |
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| AzureEye United States. July 31 2009 02:11. Posts 1360 | Profile Blog # |
Last night's game just proved that JD needs to be above Effort in PR
Effort got 3-0'd by Calm and kicked out of a league while JD beat Canata (This season's best TvZ player) and advanced in MSL
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| Geo.Rion Hungary. July 31 2009 02:14. Posts 5350 | Profile Blog # |
On July 31 2009 01:13 Gormaol wrote:
Yeah, I have to concede that even though I'm a Zerg fanatic and spew venom at Terrans for my peace of mind (lol), his cheese rushes and follow-up bo in his MSL games against Jaedong were impressive. And in the games where he didn't cheese, his mid game had greater than normal aggressiveness for a TvZ, and was laudable as a playstyle.
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| TwoToneTerran United States. July 31 2009 02:14. Posts 7990 | Profile # |
On July 30 2009 22:39 Nylan wrote:
Canata pushed JD to the limit and had godly SK control...why would he drop in the rank?
Um, that was not godly SK control. Not even close. As a matter of fact, half the chat was laughing at his single file lines and several no-medic-marine groups, his inability to micro out of swarm half the time, and his overall poor bio control. People were begging him to go mech. I mean hell, the only time he kept his vessel count up was when he hid them in his base, and as soon as he brings 7+ out they all go down in under a minute. It was just a mediocre display.
He did well to push Jaedong to an fifth game, but the games he lost were more like executions, and the games he won were a cheese and an, admittedly, good game with a smart build to counter Jaedong's Mutas.
But he's dropped out of one league and is almost out of the other (down 1 against Fantasy of all people). The only reason he's on the list at all is that he played admirably.
You could switch him with Flash, since Flash dropped MSL as well, but Flash has moved forward in a league since last ranking, at the very least. I wouldn't, in right mind, put Canata ahead of Zero(still in 2 leagues, superb play, etc) or Yarnc and Calm (Both who are advancing well in their leagues). Canata's ten spot is almost retrospective of how good he did to make it this far rather then the culmination of what he's done.
If you really had to just slobber over Canata, you could move him above Yarnc/Calm at seventh, but if he drops to Fantasy today, then he's out of both leagues with no PL performance to speak of (though that's not really his fault), whereas Calm has already secured his position in a league(and is still the #2 zerg in PL as I'm aware, though Effort will supplant him soon I'm sure) and the smart money is on Yarnc to win against Gogo(who he's one game up on right now). Putting him ahead of Zero would be kind of tarded.
Basically, I don't want to move Canata up for dropping out of every league, even if he put on a good show. The bottom ranks are a bit more flexible but I think Jaedong>Fantasy/Bisu>Iris>Effort is pretty clear right now, atleast.Last edit: 2009-07-31 04:28:40 |
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| raga4ka Bulgaria. July 31 2009 06:24. Posts 5002 | Profile # |
On July 31 2009 02:14 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 30 2009 22:39 Nylan wrote:
Canata pushed JD to the limit and had godly SK control...why would he drop in the rank?
Um, that was not godly SK control. Not even close. As a matter of fact, half the chat was laughing at his single file lines and several no-medic-marine groups, his inability to micro out of swarm half the time, and his overall poor bio control. People were begging him to go mech. I mean hell, the only time he kept his vessel count up was when he hid them in his base, and as soon as he brings 7+ out they all go down in under a minute. It was just a mediocre display. He did well to push Jaedong to an fifth game, but the games he lost were more like executions, and the games he won were a cheese and an, admittedly, good game with a smart build to counter Jaedong's Mutas. But he's dropped out of one league and is almost out of the other (down 1 against Fantasy of all people). The only reason he's on the list at all is that he played admirably. You could switch him with Flash, since Flash dropped MSL as well, but Flash has moved forward in a league since last ranking, at the very least. I wouldn't, in right mind, put Canata ahead of Zero(still in 2 leagues, superb play, etc) or Yarnc and Calm (Both who are advancing well in their leagues). Canata's ten spot is almost retrospective of how good he did to make it this far rather then the culmination of what he's done. If you really had to just slobber over Canata, you could move him above Yarnc/Calm at seventh, but if he drops to Fantasy today, then he's out of both leagues with no PL performance to speak of (though that's not really his fault), whereas Calm has already secured his position in a league(and is still the #2 zerg in PL as I'm aware, though Effort will supplant him soon I'm sure) and the smart money is on Yarnc to win against Gogo(who he's one game up on right now). Putting him ahead of Zero would be kind of tarded. Basically, I don't want to move Canata up for dropping out of every league, even if he put on a good show. The bottom ranks are a bit more flexible but I think Jaedong>Fantasy/Bisu>Iris>Effort is pretty clear right now, atleast.
I think PR will be up around the 5th of August by that time almost everything will be clear . Anything can happen ... Canata > Fantasy , Iris > Bisu but its unlikely especially Canata>Fantasy , because Canata probably dedicated a lot of his practise for his match against Jaedong and lost ...Last edit: 2009-07-31 06:32:47 |
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| Shikyo Finland. July 31 2009 07:49. Posts 20246 | Profile Blog # |
| If Jaedong can pull through after these 4 hellish days, he definitely is going to stay first even with those slip-ups. Actually, his MSL semi-final with almost 100% guaranteed final spot might be enough to have him first anyway. |
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 tree.hugger Saint Paul, MN. July 31 2009 08:28. Posts 8989 | Profile Blog # |
On July 31 2009 06:24 raga4ka wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 31 2009 02:14 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On July 30 2009 22:39 Nylan wrote:
Canata pushed JD to the limit and had godly SK control...why would he drop in the rank?
Um, that was not godly SK control. Not even close. As a matter of fact, half the chat was laughing at his single file lines and several no-medic-marine groups, his inability to micro out of swarm half the time, and his overall poor bio control. People were begging him to go mech. I mean hell, the only time he kept his vessel count up was when he hid them in his base, and as soon as he brings 7+ out they all go down in under a minute. It was just a mediocre display. He did well to push Jaedong to an fifth game, but the games he lost were more like executions, and the games he won were a cheese and an, admittedly, good game with a smart build to counter Jaedong's Mutas. But he's dropped out of one league and is almost out of the other (down 1 against Fantasy of all people). The only reason he's on the list at all is that he played admirably. You could switch him with Flash, since Flash dropped MSL as well, but Flash has moved forward in a league since last ranking, at the very least. I wouldn't, in right mind, put Canata ahead of Zero(still in 2 leagues, superb play, etc) or Yarnc and Calm (Both who are advancing well in their leagues). Canata's ten spot is almost retrospective of how good he did to make it this far rather then the culmination of what he's done. If you really had to just slobber over Canata, you could move him above Yarnc/Calm at seventh, but if he drops to Fantasy today, then he's out of both leagues with no PL performance to speak of (though that's not really his fault), whereas Calm has already secured his position in a league(and is still the #2 zerg in PL as I'm aware, though Effort will supplant him soon I'm sure) and the smart money is on Yarnc to win against Gogo(who he's one game up on right now). Putting him ahead of Zero would be kind of tarded. Basically, I don't want to move Canata up for dropping out of every league, even if he put on a good show. The bottom ranks are a bit more flexible but I think Jaedong>Fantasy/Bisu>Iris>Effort is pretty clear right now, atleast.
I think PR will be up around the 5th of August by that time almost everything will be clear . Anything can happen ... Canata > Fantasy , Iris > Bisu but its unlikely especially Canata>Fantasy , because Canata probably dedicated a lot of his practise for his match against Jaedong and lost ...
Bet you 10 bucks the PR is out before the 5th. Say... the 2nd.
Not to mention that fantasy has a 1-0 lead in the series to add to his favorite status. It's the OSL, fantasy will get to the finals.
For all the talk about "EffOrt being the next Leta", I find it funny that EffOrt has in fact been everything Leta was not this month; namely clutch in the playoffs. EffOrt retains his spot, Leta looking like he'll drop out of the PR.
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| Severedevil United States. July 31 2009 08:49. Posts 4499 | Profile Blog # |
On July 28 2009 15:04 samachking wrote:
Fuck, Jaedong gets owned by scheduling again :/
Fuck, scheduling gets owned by Jaedong again.
On July 31 2009 08:28 tree.hugger wrote:For all the talk about "EffOrt being the next Leta", I find it funny that EffOrt has in fact been everything Leta was not this month; namely clutch in the playoffs. EffOrt retains his spot, Leta looking like he'll drop out of the PR.
Effort had a very strong playoff/starleague showing, and then dropped hard out of both starleagues, like Leta did in the last season.
Also, Leta is still in the ro8 of the OSL, and as long as he doesn't try stupid cheese against type-b he should win without trouble.Last edit: 2009-07-31 08:53:06 |
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| Shikyo Finland. July 31 2009 09:36. Posts 20246 | Profile Blog # |
On July 31 2009 08:49 Severedevil wrote:Also, Leta is still in the ro8 of the OSL, and as long as he doesn't try stupid cheese against type-b he should win without trouble.
Did you watch game 1? "should win without trouble" isn't how I'd describe his chances after seeing type-b's performance. Also, remember that type-b is able to use many creative builds as well. |
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| Severedevil United States. July 31 2009 11:07. Posts 4499 | Profile Blog # |
I did watch game one. I saw Leta trying a number of fool tricks, including proxy factory at the expo & floating over to make vultures, which were scouted and put Leta very far behind. His M&M play was not nearly good enough to make up the difference, after that.
Not sure why he didn't just go 10 or 12rax into 2port wraith, and leave chance out of the equation... |
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| Shikyo Finland. July 31 2009 11:17. Posts 20246 | Profile Blog # |
| Well, 2port wraith isn't exactly a good build in general, and I'm sure that type-b as Leta's teammate would be prepared for it. If the Zerg knows what he's doing, 2-port wraith isn't a very effective build. It's power comes from the fact that most Z's don't know how to properly deal with it, and also with the surprise factor. |
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| DreaM)XeRO Korea (South). July 31 2009 14:36. Posts 4667 | Profile Blog # |
1) Jaedong
2) fantasy
3) Bisu
4) Effort
5) Iris
6) ZeRo
7) Canata
8) Yarnc
9) Calm
10) Flash |
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| TwoToneTerran United States. July 31 2009 16:02. Posts 7990 | Profile # |
Why would you put Fantasy sixth? Zero's a shoe in for the rank, seeing as he's still alive in 2 tournaments (what? He could upset Jaedong, Effort style!).
Though it's pointless right now since it seems like JWD is waiting specifically for OSL results before posting a PR on the third.Last edit: 2009-07-31 16:03:05 |
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| 3clipse Canada. July 31 2009 16:12. Posts 2541 | Profile Blog # |
On July 31 2009 16:02 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Why would you put Fantasy sixth?
He's hardly played any games lately and his wins don't seem to be against impressive players (excluding Canata).
I'm not saying he's necessarily gotten worse, but I don't think he's really earned a top spot this month. It should take something special to make the top 5.
On July 31 2009 16:02 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Zero's a shoe in for the rank, seeing as he's still alive in 2 tournaments (what? He could upset Jaedong, Effort style!).
Actually, I thought the last PR came out later than it actually did. You're right, he should be in it.
On July 31 2009 16:02 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Though it's pointless right now since it seems like JWD is waiting specifically for OSL results before posting a PR on the third.
Yeah, things might be a lot clearer. |
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